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Title: The Big One
Post by: admin on December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM
What started with The One has grown into a huge phenomenon. Now it''s time now for THE BIG ONE. Our revolutionary GB 10.7 coverstock is pushed to 11.2 delivering a backend attack that is the most aggressive to hit the lane. A dominant performer in wet conditions, it complements The One in a big way. Bowl to Win.

Length Rating: 22 (scale of 1-50, early to late)  
Overall Hook Rating: 43  (scale of 1-50, least to most)  
Breakpoint Angle: 12 (scale of 1-15, smooth to sharp)  
Mass Bias : .027  
Flare Potential : High  
Color: Navy/Purple/Green  
Style: 029744-94412  


Lane Conditions: Medium to Heavy Oil  
Coverstock: GB 11.2  
Core: Centrex Symmetrical Mass Bias  
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Dwight Albrecht on February 15, 2006, 02:52:46 PM
Ebonite The "BIG ONE":

Ball Specs
The ball being drilled was a 3” pin out with 3.00 oz top weight.
Drilling: Pin 3 3/4" from PAP and Mb 45 degree angle. Pin is Above Ring finger, 3" above grip midline. Weight Hole on VAL and Midline. Factory Sanded 4000.

Bowler Information:
Track diameter is 10 1/2.
PAP is measured at 5 1/4 over and 3/8" up.
Average ball speed (foul line to head pin) is 17 mph.
Axis rotation is typically 90 degrees
Initial rev rate is typically 300 rpm, "Tweener"
Lane Condition and Pattern:
AMF Bowlero, HPL 9000 Panel. Oil Pattern: Medium Heavy Oil and slightly clean back ends. Fairly Flat condition from edge board to edge board.

REVIEW:
Ebonite had a tough job trying to improve on I feel one of the best balls not only Ebonite ever produced but also in the market place today with The One. The Big One is a great ball but does roll differently from The One. When comparing these balls I used my The One at a 4000 Sanded Surface, same as The Big One with the same drilling. The Big One rolls or revs up quicker and smoother at the breakpoint on the same condition. The ball still hits very hard and if anything is more readable than The One. The factory 4000 tends to skid more than I liked on the heavy oil at AMF Bowlero, so I sanded it down to 2000. At 2000 the ball did not lose any backend reaction but allows me to now over power the heavy puddle of oil in the center of the lane that Bowlero puts out. If you are looking for a sanded ball that has strong backend reaction I would stay with The One sanded at 2000 or 4000. If you are a spinner or low track player looking for a smooth hooking ball for oil, I would recommend The Big One. Both wonderful balls and in my opinion the hottest balls in the country today.

Thanks for reading my review.
Dwight



Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: cee_dub2003 on February 16, 2006, 01:07:17 AM
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=2/4523482862.jpg&s=x7

Well just got to throw THE BIG ONE. Above is a picture of the drill.
I can tell you i throw about 18-20speed. I do have plenty of revs, and i can tell you this ball is awesome. In practice i was standing 30, laying 20 out to about 7 and oh my this ball makes such a charge towards the pocket. I have owned THE ONE and compared to THE BIG ONE this  is a hooking machine, hooks earlier than THE ONE, and the hook is not as sharpas THE ONE  but a very gradual hook. The finish on the  ball is perfect. The house conditions were i think about 38' trees shot. I really need to see what it does on more oil though.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: ChrisH on February 17, 2006, 02:14:37 AM
Layout:
Pin 5" from PAP above fingers
MB is @ 60 degrees

Lane conditions:
AMF synthetics with typical house shot(med/heavy oil inside and very light oil outside 7 boards)

Drilled this ball about two weeks ago, and I must say I LOVE it already. It reacts sooner than The ONE and stronger overall. I put a light coat of Factory Finish Polish on it, and it is still a VERY strong ball. This is a big hooking ball with great continuation through the pins. I really like how the ball mixes up the pins. Anyone that likes The One should LOVE The Big One. Keep up the good work Ebonite.
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Chris Hayes
McCorvey's Pro Shop
www.mccorveysproshop.com
IBPSIA certified
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: romchip on February 17, 2006, 11:41:03 AM
PAP - Pin 4"
PAP - MB 3"
Pin 4" above midplane with 31/32 x 2 hole on PAP

I was not a big fan of the original One with box surface... I had to tweak and tweak it to get the look I wanted.  Once I found the right surface, it rocks.  The Big One is a bit different, read on...

The Big One out of box was a striking machine... much more midlane, equal or more backend, and great carry.  With 1000 abralon, its a hook monster... definitely for inside the oil line and heavier/longer patterns.  With the same surface as the One (1000 abralon with factory finish polish,) it really outhooks the One in the late midlane and backend.  I ended up hitting the backflares again with 1000 abralon, and it's shape is very much like the box reaction on most conditions, but the hit seems to be more crisp.  

The motion is alot like the One, but much bigger.  I had both balls with identical surface yesterday in the center practicing, and struck for about 10 minutes with the Big One playing through the arrows around 18-20 and bumping 7-8 at 40 feet on the synthetic house pattern with light carrydown.  I pulled out the One and threw it in the same place and cleanly removed the 3 from between the 1 and 6 for a 5-count washout.  This is typical of what I see in most centers... 7-8 more boards of big-end hook than the original One.  

I'll be putting holes in another very soon and will post a second review after I get 30-40 games on it.
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Tom
Angular Acceleration Pro Shop
www.TunedBallMotion.com


Right Handed, PAP 5" right, 16mph, 350rpm, 20 degrees axis rotation, 30 degrees tilt with normal release

Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: bighog845 on February 19, 2006, 01:09:15 AM
This ball flat out hooks a ton. If you need a heavy oil ball get the Big One.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: jayjay2204 on February 21, 2006, 02:21:58 PM
Got this ball not to long ago
drilled #2 high rev med-high ball speed
out of box surface


I am very impressed with this ball. first night out of box
234-196(4 splits)-289=719 second game was me not the ball. it reads the mids very well explodes when it hits the rack. this is probably the best ball I have seen or thrown.

in the bag
The One(new)
ebonite v2 sweet
track rule gp2
track exception
track exception 5.0
plus various others that don't see much of the lanes anymore

the next ball will be THE BIG ONE
if it is anywhere near as good as THE ONE it will be worth it
so on a 1-10 i would have to say 9.5
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: pga61 on February 22, 2006, 07:16:51 PM
This is a truly amazing heavy oil ball.  I just drilled one up and have one league on it, but i can tell what it is capable of doing.  The ball was 15lbs 3.5 oz top weight and pin out drilled with an aggressive leverage weight pattern.  The house uses a top hat pattern with 72 units for 38ft and the back ends are somewhat mild.  The paradigm struggles on it until it dries out and so does the absolute inferno.  This ball allowed me to put speed on the ball and get aggressive with the pocket.  I was throwing about 14mph with a good amount of hand but i increased the ball speed to around 18 with this ball and moved left with my stance. I was laying the ball down on 15 swinging to 6 and screaming back to the pocket.  I scored 210, 202, 235 out of the box and average 197 on this shot. I knew that all i needed to do was get it to the pocket.  The thing that surprised me was how much it hooked going over the middle of the lane for spares.  I missed one because of how much it hooked. It struck 6 times in the first, 7 in the second (2 big splits my fault), and 7 in the last.  I can't say enough great things about this ball.  I change balls all the time and I find it easy to judge balls with my style. This one is a must have.  Lay it out for your style and just watch it hammer the pins.  I noticed another with it that night and he can get more into the ball than me.  He struggled a bit at first finding the right line then it started working for him as well.  This ball convinced me to add the one to my arsenal as well.  When my paradigm cracks or needs replacing, the one will be added. The pro shop that does my equipment is in the house.  I was the first to get this ball from him.  He had 3 sold before the night was over from others seeing what this ball could do.  I am trying it this weekend on less oil to see how it will react. I will post another review when i have more games on it.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Jim Lewis on February 24, 2006, 03:26:11 PM
This is an easy review .... Back to back homeruns for Ebonite.

 The first time out I bowled so-so and shot 798 with the BIG ONE in a situation where earlier an aggressively drilled The One was not enough ball to overcome the wet midlane. The Big One is a great compliment to The One. Big One is an earlier reaction and more forgiving in the oiler midlane areas where The One was a bit skiddish. The backend visual snap may be slightly less pronounced than The One but make no mistake the Big One is a powerful ball. Do not use this ball on drier lanes or short patterns, it WILL hook out far too quickly unless your ball speed is extreme.
 
 The Big One that was drilled had a starting pin of 3 inches and 3 ounces of top weight. The drilling pattern was pin at 4 1/2 and 3 inches above the midline and the bomb was at 4 1/2 inches. The balance hole was in my PAP at 5 1/8 over by 1/2 up. The ball was used in box condition on Proanvilane surface with a moderate volume 39 foot house wall.

 Drill one of these up for sure if you like The One!

Jim Lewis
Ebonite PBA Regional Staff
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: toomanytenpins on February 27, 2006, 01:11:23 AM
ok here goes my two cents. high track low speed low rev player, more comfortable playing inside lines than out. 16 lb ball drilled #2 on the drill sheet.I shot this ball on wood synthetics dry and oil and all in all i think its a good ball. The ball finishes well and carry is good when u find the right line.the ball is deceptive in that with drier back ends it hooks a ton change the backend by adding more oil or carry down and the hook potential decreases greatly. But i guess thats with any ball .Once find the proper release and line this ball will definetly deliver results. Carry is good and i think in the hands of a more accomplished player this ball could be a work of art.tonight i shot games of 152 ,trying to play deeper than i should ,233 forgot how to bowl in the 8 th 9th and 10th and 206 with 2 missed 10 pins not great but good for me. i think this ball is definetly stronger than the one based on watching other peoples ones on the same lanes ,I believe this ball with a little cover tweeking could be a monster in anyones hands .I am going to get another one and sand it to 1000. Great ball ,but it will really show your short comings if you have any.
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my style, the art of bowling without bowling
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: v02maxlefty on March 01, 2006, 11:18:16 AM
GB 11.2 is "GOLD"!

I hit my BIG ONE with 600 grit and it really came to life.
The coverstock still cleared the heads like plastic and digs in on the mids and backend like particle.
258, 233, 264.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: bowlingpsycotic on March 11, 2006, 04:40:10 AM
love it simply love it.  Was exactly the reaction i wanted in a big hooking ball.  I wanted something that started the reaction early, but not too early.  It snaps so hard on the backend that people said to me that they didnt even think it would get to the pocket. Ebonite brang me back to their products with this ball. Purely excellent.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: superman83180aolcom on March 13, 2006, 02:06:40 AM
I took alot of time thinking about this ball and that is the only negative thing about it.I read all the reviews and they were hard to belive. I wanted a ball to go long and snap like no other and this is the ball. I throw the ball fast 18 - 20 mph and have trouble getting the ball to react.I normally throw throgh the break and there is no reaction.With this ball out of the box I stand two dots to the left of center and throw any were from 13-17 on the right side and kill the pins. I have only had the ball for 4 days and have avg. 220 or better with this ball with 18 games in. As long as u hit your mark its great. I have used it on oily to semi oily lanes and only had to move a board or two.I have thrown a 279 game already and think this will be the ball to get my ring.Every body tryed to tell me to buy the one  but I throw to fast i am very pleased this ball it is a 10 out of 10 I am bowling in the state tourn. apr 9 and will let you know how i did.If you want it to go long and snap hard this is the drilling specs   2-3 inch pin 2 3\4 oz. top weight and in-line mass-bias put the pin right next to your ring finger and the bomb next to your thumb hole. special thanks to gary omalley for the drilling.
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Marc Lawrence niles, ohio freeway lanes
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Leftys rule on March 13, 2006, 06:52:26 PM
I can't say enough about this ball.  Out of the box my first series was a 653 (with a 171 average)  This ball is incredible...BUT, be sure to let the ball do the work!!  And don't worry about this ball coming back...it snaps back with a vengeance.....shredding the rack completely!!  Love, love, love this ball!
-Brad S.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: CyCoSiS on March 14, 2006, 10:43:22 PM
let me start of by saying that i have not been a fan of ebonite every ball i tried from them never worked for me and it would just end up living the rest of its life in the basement. anyway i was looking for a ball for oil because everything i have is polished because i thow a good hook but i get in trouble when there is carrydown leaving a lot of flat tens and stuff. i decided to give ebonite one last try, hearing nothing but good things about the origional one i wanted to try the big one. not many people around here have this ball so there has not been any feedback to my proshop that i go to. i got it punched out monday and tested it out on a house shot right after. i was amaized how well this ball reacts if you get it in the oil it will slide but if you get it out far it will come screamin back and obliterate the rack literally. i have never thrown pins around with any ball i owned like i do with this ball. i send messengers like they are shot out of the side boards, i could probably take out a tenpin 2 lanes down if it had the chance thats how much energy the pins have when the ball hits. the pins were flyin all over i kept gettin dead wood in the gutter and the mechanic came out and said to me what are you doin that you keep gettin pins in the gutter. all i had to do was throw one ball and he said "WOW can that ball hit any harder" and just walked away in amazement lol. i highly recomend this ball to anyome. i was purposly playing in the oil to see how good it reacted and it found the pocket anywhere to the right of my spot. i was standing 1 board left of the last dot and throwing at 17 out to 8ish. that ball has 18 games one it now and im averaging 230 with it from a 220.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: CyCoSiS on March 16, 2006, 10:17:03 AM
just an update on this ball. i finally got to try it out yesturday on an oily shot in my league on really old synthetic lanes. at first the i had to move way right with the ball about second last dot (which i never usually play there) and play about 10 to get it to react. and shot 278 the first game lanes started to break down and i was to stubborn to move untill the 8th frame and shot a 237 but the last game i had the first 10 and left a rock solid 8 pin for a 289. i shot my first 800 with it, best $200 investment ever.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Like2bowl on April 03, 2006, 01:02:21 PM
The big one is no joke, believe the hype. I read reviews on The One and Big One for about a month, and I finally decided to get the big one. I was not disappointed at all. I stood where I normally stand just threw it harder and just farther out just past the 2nd arrow and wow. As long as I touched the pocket I struck. I came in the pocket at 6 different angles for 6 bagger. I started moving around to see what it could do. The pin action and carry is amazing. First night out shot 258-223-205 and I carry a 201 Avg. With more time with the ball it can only get better. So if you have been thinking of buying the one or big one get it.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: DANNY69BOWLER on April 10, 2006, 06:22:41 PM
I JUST BOUGHT THE BALL ABOUT A WEEK AGO I AM 15 I JUST STARTED BOWLING IN NOVEMBER AND MY STUFF GOT STOLEN LAST WEEK SO I BOUGHT THE BIG ONE. BEFORE I BOUGHT THE BALL I USED AN ICON 300 AND MY AVERAGE WAS 129, NOW THAT I USE THE BIG ONE I HAVENT BOWLED A GAME UNDER 140 SINCE I GOT IT AND IT IS GREAT. THE SCORES ARENT THAT GOOD BUT ITS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT FROM LAST WEEK I'VE BOWLED LIKE 30 GAMES ON IT. THE BALL REALLY IS LIKE AN AUTOPILOT IT SEEMS TO LIKE TO GO TO THE POCKET ANYWHERE I PUT IT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE LANE(LEFT HANDER)AND IT IS GREAT BUT IT HOOKS MORE IN THE MIDDLE THAN THE BACKEND I DONT KNOW WHY EVERYONE ELSES HOOKS AT THE BACK
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: cnimsk on April 14, 2006, 12:46:23 AM
I'm Chuck Nimsk - new member. I used Ebonite's "The Big One" for the first time tonight, drilled using pattern #2. I'm an average, 180 plus bowler. And I've been in a slump the past several weeks, hence using a different, new, bowling ball. All I can say is, the hype is correct. That is one great bowling ball. I rolled a 633 tonight, using the ball with out of the box finish, 212, 185, 236, on lanes that started out very oily, but "dried" considerably during the evening, standing from 25 to 30, with the 10 board as target for most of the evening. The 212 included three open frames. (All my fault, not hitting my mark or even close.) The "Big One" was outstanding, carrying extremely well all night, even if hitting light. Count me as one of the impressed. I had already tried "The One" the previous week, bowling a 234 in the first game, followed by a 185 before a bout of vertigo ruined the third game. All I can say is Ebonite has a couple of real winner with the two "Ones".

Chuck Nimsk
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: raftom on April 21, 2006, 05:01:25 AM
You guys were right! I am on the comeback trail after 12 years off. I shot a 300 last month with an Ebonite Puma and retired the ball. I have been looking for a ball with a strong backend finish to be able to maximize scoring at one of the houses I shoot at. I wanted to give Ebonite another try. After reading the positive reviews on this site I had "The Big One" drilled and tried it for the first time this past Monday. I shot 268 my first game out of the box and 246 the first game in the next series when the lanes really weren't suited for it. I couldn't be happier with it's performance and am looking forward to Summer leagues and several PBA regional events.

Cheers!
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Merlin on May 16, 2006, 04:26:49 PM
Finally got The Big One and all I can say is this thing is MEAN!!!  Here is how I have it laid out:
              O O
                  p
           
                  cg
               O
                   mb
                   

I also have a flare hole.  With this drilling the ball reacts soon and strong.  I have only thrown a few games on it, but I have yet to fined enough oil for it.  I played on a fresh THS (top hat) and I stood on 25 and threw it out to 3 and it was still coming Brooklyn.  Next I tried it on a THS (used)  It had began to carrydown.  I stood in the same place and threw the same spot, it was a little tamer but still had to struggle to keep it in the pocket.  I will post more when I use it on a Heavy pattern, but so far 10 out of 10.
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"You frickin idiot"  Napolean Dynamite


"A smart A55 is better than a dumb one"
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: DruTheFu on May 21, 2006, 05:43:09 PM
After reading the reviews on this board that were already posted, and looking at the vidoes available on the Ebonite site for this ball, I was really excited to get this ball.  I bought it from Bowling.com, and took it down to my local Pro Shop to get it drilled.  First thing the Pro Shop employee said to me was that buying a ball online is very risky because the retailer will send you a lower quality ball that a Pro Shop would not select to sell.  He was not knocking The Big One, he said it was a great ball; he was knocking the quality of the ball that is sent to the buyer.  He proceeded to point out as proof that the pin, Mass Bias, and CG Area are not properly laid out, and that this would have an effect on the drilling of the ball and the roll to it.  I also noticed that from looking at my ball, it did not resemble the same characteristics of any of the 4 drilling instructions for this ball.  He told me that he was going to drill the Drilling #1 layout, because that's what most people go for.  Being my first ball ever purchased, I agreed to it, although I liked the Flare potential for Drilling #2 and #3.  (I could provide you with a picture of my ball if you would like to see what I am referencing to in terms of the 'defective' layout, just email me).

I purchased this ball because I wanted a ball that would hook and have a noticeable flare.  All the reviews stated that this ball has a mean hook, and just shatters the pins on contact.  Great, that's what I'm looking for.  So today I got in 5 games using this ball, and all I can say is that I am disappointed, as my expectations were much higher.  This ball is a monster when it comes to smashing the pins and making them fly.  But I was extremely looking forward to witnessing a wicked hook with this ball.  When I roll this ball, it does not move off course wit any type of hook.  The ball has no hook to it at all, it is just a straight roller.  If I wanted that, I'd of just gotten a cheaper ball or used a house ball.  Please keep in mind, that I have yet to determine if the problem lies in the actual drilling, or with the ball itself and its layout and alignments.  I had my uncle try the ball out as he uses a ball with a great flare to it, and even he couldn't notice any type of flare with this one.

I will keep giving this ball a try and hopefully find out the reason for which I am not experiencing any type of hook/flare.  I'll write an update in the near future.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: kcmoreese on May 22, 2006, 04:53:56 AM
dru thats very discouraging to hear, Im getting one drilled as we speak, Im having mine drilled up aggressive. Thats the pattern number 3.
Dont believe that stuff about getting messed up balls from folks online. What hes trying to do is get you to buy a brand new one from him at full cost. Buying online takes money at their pockets. Most of the balls I buy are online and actually off ebay. I believe the guy didnt drill it right. I had a scb lane 1 ball that rolled straight and I used it for a while as a spare ball. I told my pro shop to drill it up aggressive and he did. Still the ball had been plugged before but it still does what its suppose to do, thats hook. It doesnt roll straight any more, it hooks. Go find an honest driller.

I will get my big one sometime this week and write another review.

Also here is my review of my used 16lb big one. Got it from ebay. It was league night thursday. I tried the ball after league was over, didnt expect much. The grip was too wide and the finger and thumbs were too big. I threw it a couple of times and got one strike out of five attempts. It did roll straigh a couple of times but it had not been drilled for me. This ball does make the pins fly. On the one strike I had I noticed good carry. I believe it came with out of the box factory finish. Ill write another review later this week when I  have thrown it a couple of games.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: ossimo on May 22, 2006, 03:06:37 PM
I got my first Big One from online too and was drilled by not my favorite driller.  I just told him, I want to get the ball to an early roll but strong angular move in the pocket.  I have my own measurement and everything so all he did was just drilled holes and I did the rest of fine tuning the grips.
I was so satisfied with the overall performance of my new Big One. It flares, it rolls early and hit strong that makes all pins flying.  I only use this when there's enough oil.  The drilling looks like this:
 
       o o
           *
             cg x
         O    mb

This is my choice ball when there's heavy oil on the first part of the lane.
All I have to do is send it out to where the dry board(brkpoint) is and results is amazing(my scores were all over 200's sometimes high 240's)
When the oil gets a little lighter, then comes my Ebonite One or Classic Zone.

P.S. - There's no such thing as will hook on oil, They all slide because no friction.  As a bowler, you have to find where you can create friction.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: kcmoreese on May 24, 2006, 09:27:43 PM
Got my used 16lb big one from the pro shop and everything is good, Its very important to have a reliable shop. Check out the good plug job.

http://computerluv.net/bowl

Anyways had it drilled up to roll early and strong and thats what it does. I played 32 games today and only switched on spare shots. Never threw so many 200 games in my life, I sanded the ball down to 800 grit. Ball matched up excellent in oil and good on bone dry lanes. I did loose a little carry on the bone dry lanes but technically its for oily lanes. I love this ball. It got me out of what would have been splits because the carry is so good, Get this one. I regret not getting this early.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: ambi1 on May 26, 2006, 04:00:45 AM
BALL: 15 LBS 4-5 inch pin, 3 oz top.  OOB finish
             Pin: 1 inch 2 o'clock of ring. approx 4.25 inch from pap
             mb : 1 inch 4:30 of thumb

PLAYER:tweener, approx. 16-17 mph, 280-320 revs. high tracker.

LANES:Brunswick Pro anvil lane (about 6 years old)

Oil pattern 1:LANE 2L8, R8 dry
                     Zone 1: 10' 65 units
                     Zone 2: 18' 60 units
                     Zone 3: 26' 50 units
                     Zone 4: 35' 30 units
                     Zone 5: 43' 0 units - buff area
Oil pattern 2:LANE 1Standard THS oiled to 33' buffed to 38.  L8, R8 dry. (this was done on the adjacent lane, and sorry forgot to get the units of oil, but to the best of my approximation it was about the medium range, leaning towards med-heavy, specially in the center area.)

Backends on both lanes was good.  
Oiling machine: Brunswick Authority 22.

With the out of box finish, playing on lane two, any shot inside of the 8th board that is straight up or swing out would usually not make it to the pocket squarely.  13th board straight up shots resulted in a bucket leaves usually.  I didn't try putting it down on board 15th as this is a line I would normally never use even in extreme cases, I would be shooting from outside in first.  With this pattern the only shot for me, was the twig.  For me the Big One, in OOB finish just couldn't cut it on this pattern.

On lane one (THS), the ball performed well.  It could be swung (for my shot) from as deep as board 24 on the foul line to break on boards 7-5 @ approx 36-38' and still have enough to get to the pocket and carry.  The only thing was, I could also do this with my Tiger and Savage Flips.  So I didn't really see the advantage of the Big One.  I also didn't observe a sudden move as most have described.  If I were to recall, I think my pantera and apex intensity had a more violent reaction at the breakpoint when they were new.  (however, memories aren't really precise, and the center was new at the time so backends could have been different.)

PIN REACTION/BEHAVIOR:As noted by most people here, pin mix was good and kept low.  If forced to describe the hit with one word, I would use "solid".  However keep in mind most new balls do this.

SOME THOUGHTS:

* perhaps a finish of 1200, would produce a better reaction on the heavy oil pattern ( I will try to ask the center to oil this again and try the Big One out together with my other heavy oil balls - apex obsession, intensity, pantera rev-lev.)

* Ball gave an impression of sure-footedness at the breakpoint, even with the heavy oil pattern.  However not enough games was played on it to cause carry down yet.  So this is another future factor to be reviewed on.

For me, the "The Big One", is not for really heavy oil patterns with OOB finish.  I do plan to drill another one up stronger and finish it @ 1200 grit to see if it can handle the pattern used on lane 1.

Hope to have provided some insights, and please PM me if you have any questions suggestion re this review.

regards
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DARK BEER IT IS THEN!
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Edjumuhcated on May 30, 2006, 02:56:26 PM
Recently purchased this ball after reading the great reviews, and was not disappointed.  I'm a tweener, 16/17mph ball speed. Lanes i play in are medium to heavy, and this ball is perfect for the conditions.  Played with OOB finish.  Ball reads the mids great and has a strong backend.  Ball hits extremely hard.  Carries extremely well even on light hits.  So glad i purchased this ball.  Definitley recommend this ball to anyone looking for a great heavy oil ball.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: PCstroker on June 13, 2006, 03:25:33 PM
This Ball is awesome! I have always loved the Hammer bowling balls, but I wanted to expand my arsenal. Out of the box on a house shot- I came out with a 255 & 279.  I took it to Nationals the next day and threw some 230's+. Of course the shot is EXTREMELY tough. This was my first experience at Nationals And I AVG 191 for the Tourney. I waited too long to make adjustments!
 
This past season, my average floated between 205-210. My two new summer  leagues, since I bought the BIG ONE, my average is 225 & 227. And I have shot (4) 279's in this month and all my series have been in the 700+ except for nationals.

For light oil, great for slight swing shot between 3-10 board. If lane dries, out move left and swing the ball between 3-15 board( there is a lot of room to adjust and play with- Very Forgiving). For oily conditions move left, and play swing shot inside around 3rd arrow. At Nationals, I move over to the 1 board on left side of the lane threw cross lane inside swing shot over the 17 board and played the oil, which works awsome too! This ball is so veritile, it is SICK! You can  throw every type of shot you can image with this ball. This BIG ONE, is the ONLY ONE!
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O    Pin above finger hole aprox 3/4in.   Top weigth 3 oz. Pin 3-4 inch

This ball has already paid for itself from all the cash I've been winning! Good Luck!!
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: FrogArm on June 13, 2006, 04:19:00 PM
I recently picked up one of these. I've only got a couple games on it. My plan is to save it for next season. (I buy a lot of stuff in the spring, use them a few frames to get used to the reaction. Then save it for fall.) I have mine polished up, and drilled layout #1 (according to Ebonite's spec). I see little sense in using such an awsome ball in a summer league   The hook on this ball is incredible. By far the most aggresive move of any ball I carry. Ebonite continue to out-do themselves. Makes me wonder about the Infinite One and the other new lines they are releasing.
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Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Jeff Ussery on June 14, 2006, 10:45:48 AM
Pin to PAP Distance: 5 1/2"
Preferred Spin Axis to PAP Distance: 5 3/4"
Balance Hole: None
Surface Preparation: Box Condition

What I Was Looking For in this Ball and Layout:

I wanted a ball that allowed me to play straighter angles through the front portion of the lane while still retaining a "pointed" or sharp looking breakpoint. If you read my ball review on the Big Time from June 3rd, you'll see in this review how planning out a desired reaction can be the difference.

What I Ended Up With in this Ball and Layout:

The Big One is exactly what I expected in the front part of the lane. The ball is a very aggressive coverstock from Ebonite and needs sufficient head oil to get through the front. With my physical game, this matches up great anyway. No way will you see me going straight through the front if there is some friction available. In this layout, I'm using a moderate pin position to control the early track flare. By combining pin position with my knowledge of the coverstock, I know exactly what I'm going to get in the front part of the lane.

I chose to use a 5 3/4" PSA distance from my PAP. By placing the preferred spin axis in this position, I still get that quick move when the ball begins to lose axis rotation. Notice that I was even lucky enough to get a center of gravity that lined up to the right of the pin-psa line. By placing the center of gravity closer to my axis, I tend to get a quick move at the breakpoint followed by a lot of controllable forward roll. This gets the ball into a heavy end over end roll, which is great for playing straighter angles with my game.

The overall hook of my Big One ball is similar to my One ball. The main difference is the front end look. By using a stronger cover with a lower pin height, I've created earlier roll on the lane. My partner Jesse may not have liked my intent with this ball, but this layout gives me exactly what I was looking for when I went to the drill press.

Length from 1-10 (Early to Late)
3.0

Breakpoint Move from 1-10 (Smooth to Sharp)
7.0

Overall Hook from 1-10 (Low to High)
8.5

A picture of this ball and the layout can be seen on our website if you are interested in seeing them.



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Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: kdeuce300rev on July 08, 2006, 10:14:01 PM
Drilled this beast 4.5 x 3.5 with 13/16 hole down on vertical axis line. My PAP is 5" over 1/4" up. I tested this ball on PBA Regional Pattern #4. This ball opened up this pattern nicely for me creating a devastating entry angle from multiple positions. The ball exited the pattern and made an extremely strong and predictable move out of the pattern. This balls hit was very clean and crisp. It ate through those pins like butter.

If there is anyone out there looking for a ball that reads the midlane and doesnt squirt and makes a hard turn for the hole with what to date is the cleanest hit I have seen then Big One will be all the ball you need.
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Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: EDYSENSEI on July 14, 2006, 05:04:17 PM
REAL BIG ONE. I WAS LOOKING FOR A BALL IN HEAVY OIL.THIS IS IT.I ROLL DE BALL IN BOARD 5-7 AND WAS IN THE POCKET,BUT 10 PIN STAY HERE.10-12 ONCE AGAIN.
BEFORE Y TRAY IN 16-17 AND SHOT 268.NEXT I'LL LOOKING FOR HEVY OIL AND FORGOT EVERY THING
GREAT BALL, GOOD SHOTS
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: tomcat228 on August 11, 2006, 12:27:02 AM
I bought this ball for heavy oil and was very disappointed.  This was the worst ball I have ever owned.  I gave it away to a beginner.  I picked up a Storm Passion and was very happy.  Before the Big One I had an Apex Obssesion(Ebonite) and that was a very good ball.  I don't know what happened but now I'm with Storm.  There are some really good balls for heavy oil don't waste your money on this piece of junk.
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Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: lorok on August 11, 2006, 02:59:10 AM
After getting tired of worthless reviews that review nothing, I decided to post my first review on this fine ball.

Ball is laid out with the pin 5&1/4" to pap, mb to pap is 3".  Pin is above ring finger, mb located about 3" due right of thumbhole.  I am a high tracker with a 5&3/8ths over & 3/8ths up pap.  Large balance hole drilled 1" over and 1" right of pap.  My ball speed is approx 15.5 to 16 mph with medium revs.

Surface condition is oob, 4000 grit abralon.  General lane condition is med/heavy xmas tree with a buff out to 37-38' and out of bounds outside of the 5 board.

This ball reacts differently now than when new.  When new, it skated very easily on med to heavy conditions with less midlane and much more backend.  With a couple hundred games on it now, it reacts more the way it's advertised.  Needs head oil, and will read the midlane.  On a medium oil shot, it will begin to hook at 35' and go through the nose.  On a heavier med it provides a powerful arc with excellent hit.  On anything less than medium oil, the ball will expend all it's energy before it gets 40' and will roll out.  I don't find this ball to be effected by carrydown, and it also works well on longer patterns when playing a breakpoint closer to the pocket.

While I miss the ball's brand new days where it would skate easily through the heads and mids and still turn the corner hard from the 5 board with a huge sweeping hook, I also find it much more controllable, predictable, and powerful on med/heavy to heavy oil shots playing a slightly smaller swing with more midlane read.  With proper maintenance, I have found this ball to only get stronger and more reliable.

I hope my first review was helpful (unlike the one below.)  If you have any advice on what else I should include with a review, feel free to lay it on me!  Thanks for reading.
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in the sack...
soup = morich weapon of mass bias (taking the summer off)
heavy = morich seek & destroy
med/heavy-medium = ebonite big one
med/light-light = ebonite crossfire
toast = columbia white dot
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Floridarevmachine on August 29, 2006, 01:07:22 PM
I have had this ball since 02/06 and this ball is sort of an enigma to me.

Drilled :

 0 0O
     @   O

  0 mb

I have tried several surfaces witht his ball(OOB,1000,800, now 400)

To me its not the big Heavy Oil ball some of the marketing would have you believe, however its a very good ball.  It shines in med-heavy conditions.  Due to the cover being a "longer" cover it does not loose energy early and has great midlane which translates into great backend reaction.  Also, with the "longer" cover it makes the ball more versatile.  The 400 surface is the best for me when I encounter med-heavy conditions.  Because I was expecting a stronger ball I was initially dissapointed, but having thrown it for a few months I have to say I'm happy I purchased The Big One.

All in all if you bowl on anything with a good amount of oil I would recommend this ball.  If you are looking for a hook monster then there are other choices that would be better IMHO.

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Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Floridarevmachine on August 29, 2006, 01:10:30 PM
My drilling picture didn't come out right.  The Pin and MB are stacked and the weight hole is near the PAP.


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Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Mr Ten Pin on September 06, 2006, 01:16:15 PM
I have had the big for for a year, this winter I average 224 and this summer 219. The ball is lead out with the #2 drilling. I roll over the 9th board to the 6 or 7 board and down and in a controlled short. it work great for me other bowler with this ball are having a had time getting it to hook for them, and give up on the ball.I like all the Ebonite One balls.
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Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: MatavDigital on November 02, 2006, 09:07:15 AM
I got the ebonite for one week and i can tell only good things about it.
When i just got him and start playing all the bowlers got problems with the oil they say its  too heavy, my ball was hook like a maniac and nothing stop him.
If you looking for good ball that hook like there is no tomorrow the big one is your ball.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Jeff Ussery on November 07, 2006, 10:18:41 AM
Pin to PAP Distance: 5"
Preferred Spin Axis to PAP Distance: 7 1/2"
Degree Layout Conversion: 105 Degrees
Balance Hole: None
Surface Preparation: Box Condition

What I Was Looking For in this Ball and Layout:

The first Big One that I drilled (reviewed early on this website) gave me a decent ball reaction but really laid off in the backend portion of the lane. This shouldn't really surprise given the layout that was used on it. With this Big One, I wanted to keep the box surface but get a reaction that gave me just a little more "pop" in the backend. I was going for a reaction that had similar length to my original Big One but continued through the backend just a little more.

What I Ended Up With in this Ball and Layout:

This Big One is a great example of how a bowling ball can work out for you if you just think through the layout and lane play process a little bit. This Big One clears the front portion of the lane similar to my first ball. The Big One needs some head oil to push through the heads. It's very difficult to get the ball down lane without some front-end skid. This shouldn't surprise anyone, and the fact that the ball reacts in this manner is fine, given that there are many other options with more length in the Ebonite brand line. I tested this ball alongside a new Angular One, as well as a new RXS300. This ball rolls significantly earlier than either of those.

The breakpoint move I get with this ball is very predictable and is perfect to accomplish my goal. The move at the spot is very smooth and controllable due to the 105 degree layout. When the ball begins to respond to friction, it just "tips" over and doesn't make any sudden moves. This is advantageous for my game, as I need smoother reactions at times. I've used a 5" pin distance to control the amount of track flare in the reaction. By then combining with the weaker preferred spin axis location, I've managed to create a smooth reacting dull surface ball.

In overall hook, this ball would be pretty deceiving to the untrained user. The problem here is that the RG, differential, and coverstock are strong enough to play inside angles. But through layout, I've created a smoother reaction ball. This ball and layout is best when playing outside angles closer to the gutter with my game. When I have to start throwing this ball away from the pocket, carry drastically decreases and it's time to go to a lesser friction ball. This Big One has the ability to cover a lot of boards, but it's just not beneficial in the layout I've chosen. By staying with straighter launch angles, I'll optimize my chances for success with this ball.

Length from 1-10 (Early to Late)
3.0

Breakpoint Move from 1-10 (Smooth to Sharp)
5.5

Overall Hook from 1-10 (Low to High)
7.0

To see a picture of this ball layout, please visit my website at www.proshoptraining.com.

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Jeff Ussery
Powerhouse Training Clinics
www.proshoptraining.com
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Pinmaster7 on November 20, 2006, 06:39:46 PM
Don't get this ball i got it in july and it was great when to the pocket like a heat seeking missle after months of use it died down now it won't even move it acts like my zone perhaps theres a defect why won't it hook i resurfaced it like 2 times the weight block sucks i guess im moving to brunswick wasted 200 bucks
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: brian wilson on December 24, 2006, 02:21:12 PM
This ball is great for about 100-150 games. after that it is even better. once this cover wears out you have 2 choices. you could hit the ball with chemical, or leave it as is. if you hit it with chemical to take the oil out of the ball, it will bring the cover back to life for about 50 more games. if you leave it dead, the ball will be completly predictable and will never jump, or over-react on you.    

My layout on my first ball is quite weird.

1)pin is in the center of my span, cg-mb inline at 20deg. hole on pap.

I keep the cover at 2000-2500 grit. the ball is early and readable.

2)pin, cg, mb are inline with the center of my span with the pin above the fingers.

i keep this one polished.  this ball is long and snappy.

OVERALL: Great ball for the more experienced bowler that is going to use it to make some money. If you want it to last a long time.... this is not the ball for you.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: bko722 on December 25, 2006, 04:13:56 AM
I have the 1st three balls in the ONE series, The Big One is drilled per reconmendation #3 with the box finish. The name 'Big One' really fits this one, it has the strongest backend and hitting power I've seen in a long time, shooting on a oily house condition this ball transition through the heads and sniffed out the dry and exploded the pins on contact, truly a great piece of equipment very first gm with this ball 269, it was the 2nd gm of league then shot 229 the 3rd, 767 was my series the following week, the Angular One is next on my wish list, Great job Ebonite, forever a Ebonite bowler.
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Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Bigmike on January 28, 2007, 05:34:04 PM
See profile for stats. First Ebonite ball drilled in over 8 years.

Lay Out is 5.25 from PAP, bomb at 75deg angle, 7/8" wt hole down the axis 2" and 3" deep. Took this down from 4000 to 1000abr.

I have used the Big One on several longer oil patterns such as the Scorpion pattern and the TOC 50' pattern that the local tournament club I bowl in used this past weekend. This ball reads the midlane consistantly. On the Scorpion (41 ft) pattern, it gives me a board on each side of my target to play with.

The hitting power is excellent as this ball reads the breakpoint pretty well. The most awesome thing is to use this on a pattern like the TOC and have the ball come back with the faintest hints of oil, while other covers have slick spots for a track.

I have thrown this in comparison to the Total Inferno and Wizard. The look thru the pins is not as sharp as the Total, but it definitely snaps the ten out stronger than the Wizard. I just wish I would have drilled one of these when they came out last spring.
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Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: eBinks on February 01, 2007, 12:59:35 PM
Layout is pin (2/3) right above the ring finger with the cg kicked to the right.  When I first got this ball it was too much for a ths.  So I just used it for tournaments, when I got to state last year I sanded it down to 400 and the ball worked great on the juice we had down there.  Got back and shined it back up and fell in love with it.  Ball gets down the lane great and has a very strong arc on the backend. Great for playing down and in.
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Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Lippie300 on February 28, 2007, 12:16:36 AM
The pin is above and between my fingers and the cg is below my ring finger. I love this ball. It has the motion of The One, which I loved, but a little earlier and more backend.

This is my favorite pot game ball. I can start with it and use it all night. It isn't uncommon for us to bowl 15 games after the second shift of a 5 man mens league. I can keep moving left and the ball gets down the lane easy for a ball that covers this many boards.

I have scored the best when I come around the ball and swing it. I have never scored well with this ball playing straight up the back and going down the boards, which I do the best.

This is a great ball on a medium to medium heavy THS and as they dry out as long as you can move left.
Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Lefty210 on May 25, 2007, 08:41:21 PM
Just got my hand on one of these gems, it was the only one in the series that I did not own so I had to finish out the series. Definitely upset that I did not get one of these beforehand. It is not a strong as my infinite one but is not that far off. Drilled similar to my angular, so gives a similar reaction. Clean through the heads and a very strong arc. The ball is currently at 1000 abralon. One of the hardest hitters that I own, which was extremely shocking to me because I had heard mixed reviews with this one. I am thoroughly impressed.
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Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: Vietboy004 on August 25, 2007, 07:56:07 PM
i had this ball almost a year now and i still love my big one...it hits hard and very unforgiving...u just have to hit your mark and watch the pins explode...i reccommend this ball who really into bowling because it is a highly maintence ball or else the ball wont react on u...its a very agressive ball very nice for crankers and stroker

the only thing i dislike about the big one is the highly maintence of the ball...you have to bath and sand or polish it every 10-15 games or u can see the reaction of the ball hitting the pins wont be the same...well i do believe every ball should be in good maintence =)



Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: satan_i_gatan on September 10, 2007, 05:03:35 PM
Ball was drilled 41/2 x 4/12 (2.5”pin) pin below ring finger.
Shined to a 4000 finish.
Had my first 300 game last saturday. Playing 19 and out to the 2nd board.
Lane Conditions: House.

This ball covers about 7-8 boards more than the No Mercy with #1 drilling i have and it has about 200 more games in it. No ball death in this one.
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Title: Re: The Big One
Post by: EbonyteMan on November 21, 2007, 02:28:35 AM
This ball has been going strong for the 20+ months Ive had it. Cant get into all the specs but I do average about 200 in PBA Exp. and about 235 in league (just for credibility purposes, I always know I can get better) But this is a great ball and shows no sign of slowing down. This is one of my favorites.
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