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Vortex II
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
Ball NPS Score: 100.00
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The specifications of the Vortex II are: Factory Finish: 1,200 grit factory sanded Trimax reactive resin; Color: Black and Blue; Core Shape: Low RG version of Nitro R2; RG Rating (actual): 2.45 (16 lb.), 2.45 (15 lb.), 2.44 (14 lb.); Differential (actual): .046 (16 lb.) .051 (15 lb.) .061 (14 lb.); Length: scale 1 to 10 (early to late) with factory finish: 3.0; Backend: scale 1 to 10 (least to most): 10.6; Overall Hook: scale 1 to 23 (least to most) dull/shiny: 22.4 dull/13.5 shiny; Hook Style: early rev with strong, controlled backend.


 

Tony Glickley

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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2000, 02:00:00 AM »
Hey all;

Have had a chance to throw the Vortex II for a couple of weeks and It took me a little fine tuning and a little time to find a place to throw it.

I have mine drilled with the Pin over the ring finger 5" from my PAP and the cg 4-1/2 away from the PAP . The ball started out with a 2-3/4inch pin out and 3-1/4 top. I slug my thumb and use no grips span 4-3/8....4-1/2.

Smoothed the surface of the ball to 1000 grit sand paper and used Ultimate Quik Kut.....love that stuff.....and went bowling.

The first night lanes were fresh strip, 20 units from 10-10, 5 to the ditch ran 42 feet and all I had to say to describe this ball was...HOOK. :) and shot 630 throwin a BIG over/under shot until the whole 60 feet of lane had 10 units on it.

The next night my Skull Ball wouldn't stay right of the head pin so in the bag with the Vortex II but I took It to the press and put a hole on my axis point( 6" ). Just a 5/8" hole deep enough to nick the core.

Next night, new house,league, this thing is making the prettist move to the pocket but too strong for that house to carry well with(what my Vortex III will do)but leave it alone because I know It will work at the house up north which I had a chance to sub there tonight so here's the good news.

The Vortex core has the ability to let the bowler change hand positions and vary the lenth of the break point, meaning I could use the ball for all four games without having to change balls which is what I look for in a good ball.

The shell on the ball intreaged me because it is the only solid Trimax cover in their whole line up which should alow it to be fine tuned more than the pearl which we all love on our Matrix's.

Oh Yea, I didn't shoot a 300 or 800 but I shot 972 for 4 games winning $60.00 in the eliminator pot :) Great Core,Great shell, great price, Great Ball! Thanks Brian!          Tony


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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2000, 01:29:17 PM »
I decided to drill this ball after drilling the Pantera.  I was looking for a ball that hooked a little less.



The layout on the ball was 4 1/2" by 4 1/2" from my PAP.  I lightly polished it will 600 grit polished, and I put a weight hole in it to take it back to around 1/2 to 1/4 side.  



This ball is great.  The polish allowed the ball to glide through the front and give me nice mid-lane reaction, with a strong arc throughout.  I have used this ball two weeks straight in league, and this ball still hooks quite a bit, but a couple boards less than the Pantera.



With the Vortex 2, I found that the ball is 3 to 4 boards less than the Pantera, with a similar drilling.  



On a scale of 1-10, I would give this ball a strong 8.  The ball is very versitile and will be a great ball to add to your bag.  



If you have any questions, please email me at Bill@buddiesproshop.com



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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2000, 08:15:07 PM »
Ebonite really has a great line of equipment at prices that can't be beat with thier Vortex and Cat series.  That might sound like an advertisement but we really can't say enough good things about these balls.



Perhaps our favorite ball of the Vortex and Cats is the Vortex II.  This ball is as versatile as anything on the market.  Depending on drilling pattern and shell preparation the Vortex II can handle a wide range of lane conditions from the heavier side of medium to the very dry.



We have drilled the Vortex II for a number of different styles including; straighter players with speed (18 1/2 to 19 1/2 mph.), lower trackers, spinners and power strokers.  We had excellent results with all the above mentioned styles.  With our faster players, strong pins 3-4" with dull shells are well suited to league conditions and walls.  Our lower track player throws less speed (15mph) and likes to swing the ball from inside.  A 600 grit polished shell with the pin over the fingers 5 1/2 to 6" from p.a.p. works really nicely for him on most common oil patterns we see here.  The power stroker uses a 6 1/2" pin over the middle finger with a 1500 high gloss polish for dryer lanes, in fact his Vortex II is his last reactive option before urethane.(for dry)



All of our bowlers have commented about the II's consistency and outstanding carry.  The ball seems to have just enough deflection to carry well under virtually any circumstance.  To summarize:  The Vortex II is an extremely versatile ball which we can recommend for virtually any stlye on a wide range of lane conditions, as long as the proper layout and shell preparaion are employed.  Our only caution in related to the ball's low r.g. If the shell is too dull, it can start it's move too soon as the lanes dry up.



You can e-mail us at proshop@bowlero.com if you have any questions about this or any other review.


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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2001, 10:57:26 AM »
I would like to say wow. All the balls I have bowled with up to now have been pearlized. Such as the Cuda 2000, Cuda/C 2000 & Rock Pearl. My average with those balls is around 195. Since I got the Vortex II, I have had to move left and swing out to the 10 board. My average in the last week was 227 among all the games I bowled with that ball.

It is drilled with the pin just above the ring finger. With this drill I get a liitle more than medium length and a very predictable break point. I am not an Ebonite fan, but they keep putting out balls like the Vortex II, that could change.

**** UPDATE ***** L would just like to say that this is still a great ball, I am on 3 leagues, I am averaging 227, 210 and 202 across those 3 leagues with this ball. I was only a 195 average bowler before switching to the Vortex II. I have gotten a little better but the consistency of this ball helps a great deal.

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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2001, 11:33:25 AM »
I was lookin forward to gettin this ball , cause there are some good reviews on it.  I like for my ball to have as much hook as it can so it was drilled that way.  I know it was drilled leverage, im not a pro shop grou so im ot that sure on the #'s but its 3 1/2 pin out.  Im a right handed bowler an I can make this ball do things i wouldnt dream about with my others.  I can hit the 7 pin hard or keep it straight an hit the 10.  I havent found another ball that i can do that with.  I got it out of the box an threw it,  an man it had one heck of a turn signal...hehe.  I could put this ball anywhere i wanted to an it seemed as if i was in total control of it an not the other way around, as the case with alot of my other balls.  Id recomend the Vortex II to anyone that wanted a great ball at a great price.  Im in love with it ...hehe                               Keep the scores high an win as much as you can.......Dean
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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2001, 01:42:38 PM »
This is an extremely versatile ball in the medium to heavily oiled condition.  Tweaking the surface is everything.  Shiny, it will give a more skid flip look and dull, it will give a rolling arc type look.  While this is true of most balls, it will still react in heavy oil with either surface...unlike most other balls.  The weight block keeps this ball moving at all times.  If I just didn't 'catch' it with this ball, it still reacts positively - the sign of a great ball.  A mediocre ball will just die on the back end or hit weak, usually both ;)  For the record, my ball is drilled like most everything else I have... pin above my ring finger and CG kicked right of my midline about an inch (I'm RH), then a hole back to 1/4 pos.  Surface is wet-sand 400 and Ebonite Factory Polish.

I believe it's Ebonite's second best ball in their line right after the Apex.  It's a 10.
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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2001, 04:16:41 PM »
The Vortex 2 is a versatile resin ball with power, it has been a dominate ball in the PBA and on pro shop displays for well over a year. As for myself I have used Vortex 2's with 8 layouts.  My positive axis point (PAP) is 5 1/4 by 3/8 up. Layouts I have used for heavy oil are pins below finger level at 5 and 3.5 inches with the cg kicked out and low holes 3 inches below my PAP on both. These layouts in a Vortex 2 have helped overcome many situations where other balls would skid too far before reacting in the midlane area, including many particle balls. For situations that require me to play deeper inside angles but still have a resin ball that gets into an earlier roll I have used pin high layouts with cg's kicked out and stacked pin high label drillings with pin 5-6 inches from PAP. These layouts works well for my medium hook style on medium oiled lanes and on hooking track shots from deeper inside on both wood and synthetic lanes. The coverstock is easy to adjust and with a shiny surface preparation allows me to have more prolonged use out of one layout from inside angles. The Vortex 2 isnt the ball with the most angular hooking motion but it is VERY predictable in the midlane. The Vortex 2's very low Rg combined with the Trimax coverstock spends its energy, and for that reason can be seen as rolling/hooking out, similar in motion to the Danger Zone performance several years ago, but earlier and with a versatile coverstock. This rolling nature is the Vortex 2's strength the reason why it is a consistent benchmark. As for others I have noticed that the Vortex 2 works very well for people with faster ball speed and or weaker roll/rotation. This style of bowler has trouble on oily lanes--where their ball will skid in the oil and recover too late down the lane. Overall the Vortex 2 can be a solution in many situations, as long as the lane has a decent amount of oil this ball almost always has a chance to perform. The Vortex 2 has been the best resin ball on the market for the past 18+ months and highly recommend this ball due to its performance and value.


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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2001, 06:42:16 PM »
I researched to find the right ball,because with the price of equipment and the amount equipment available I couldn`t afford to be wrong.Well I hit the jackpot with this one.I drilled it axis leverage with the pin placement 3 3/8" from the PAP on a line to the ring finger in a 10:30 direction from the CG.CG is on a line 1 1/2" from the PAP to the pin.Balance hole placed on PAP.It is the most consistent ball I have ever thrown.It also packs a punch when it hits.Nice Job Ebonite.I was a Columbia fan for about 15 to 20 years,but my last 2 balls have been Ebonite and I can`t see me changing anytime soon.On a scale of 1 to 10 this ball is a 9.Anyone in the market for new equipment should really take a long look at Ebonite.They are the best going right now.

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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2001, 03:37:25 PM »
See profile for my specs

Ball drilled stacked 3 3/8 X 3 3/8
with a 9' hole in thumb quadrant
3 to 2 ratio of top to side
highly polished with 800 grit

Ball is an early revver with an
excelent backend.
Carry is very good also.

very controllable unless you have a desert
outside. Wont cut through soup with the polish.

I never tried it it with the box dull finish.
I like this ball from Ebonite I give it an 8/10

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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2001, 06:09:45 PM »
I have fallen in love with my Vortex II.  It is a ball that will turn the corner for me when nothing else will.

I bowl league in two houses:  wood lanes with a taper, fairly dry backends and a guardian/wood lanes with inconsistent oil pattern and little back end.

Ball is laid out 3 3/8 x 3 3/8, no weight hole, pin next to ring finger.

The Vortex II seems to want to roll very early for me.  The difference between this one and others is that the Vortex is not dead by time it gets to the pins.  The hard driving, continuous back end gives me more room than I am used to and the carry is great.  

The only drawback to the ball for me is that I have to know when to put it up.  I reach a point where it no longer is feasable for me to throw it.  I definitely need oil up front for the ball to work.

Very good ball for a very good price.  Don't let the lower price fool you, this ball is first class.

8 out of 10 rating.

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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2001, 10:42:23 PM »
This has to be one of the best balls to come out in a long time. When I finally got my hands on one, the local supplier had been out for over a month, I thought it would be a nice control type ball. Surprise, if I want to open this one up I can cover the lane. It is also with a little hand postion adjustment can create a nice smooth arc. On the team I bowl with in a local mixed league all four of us now have one of these, including our lady, each with a different style game and it works for all of us. We currently average just under 850. This is a must for any arsenal and is my first out of the bag. I have mine drilled withnthe pin a 4 1/2" from the PAP and the CG out 2" from center of my grip towards the PAP, the weight hole is located 2" below my PAP. This allowed me 1/2oz of positive side and finger weight. Having rolled this one for one week and in three different centers, I have not found anything that has some oil this did not work on. My first game of full competition was 280 and the first night on my house condition produced a 767/287 (pattern 42 1/2ft edge to edge, blended.) This one is a 10+ and very versatile.

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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2001, 07:33:07 PM »
See my profile for specs.
My Vortex II is drilled with the pin above the ring-finger, and the c.g. below the ring-finger, I added a weight-hole about a month after drilling the ball to cut the backend down.
The first night I had my Vortex, I went to a 12-game sweeper on a "Sport Condition."  The condition was very long, it played as if it was about 45-50 feet long, with mildly crisp backends.  The ball worked very well on this long oil.  I had all the room to the right b/c of how much this ball recovers. It was incrediable.  I know that I had the most on that condition, unfortunately operator error occurred and I only finished second.
The greatness of the ball was lost after getting off the long-oil, I couldn't throw the ball anywhere, it just hooked to much w/ the box finish.  So, I added some polish,w/ a weight-hole to bring the pos. weight to 3/8, and finger weight to 5/8.  This made the ball throwable for me in most centers with heavy oil.  Still to much ball for me in most cases.  I believe that it is too much for me b/c it clears the heads so well that it has all of it's energy in the backend, therefore creating an unpredictable reaction on most conditions. Overall this ball is a good ball for those who don't have a tremendous amount of revolutions, but can be thrown by most players.  It goes real long, makes the turn, and doesn't stop for anything.  This is a great arsenal ball for most players and can be a great "house" bowlers ball if the time is taken to prepare it in the best condition to the style of bowler.  Another nice feature is the price, this is one of the greatest values on the market.  Good job Ebonite.  This ball recieves a 8 out of 10.

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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2001, 08:14:10 AM »
I paid $30 dollars for this ball used, but in great shape and I still feel I got ripped off.  I throw my ball between 17-18 mph with above average revs and I got this ball on an arc, it will hit like a pillow and leave a 10 pin everytime.  I have tried this ball shiny and dull and nothing seems to help, except for throwing it straight up the boards with much speed.  This is the last ebonite ball I will own.  On a scale of 1 - 10 i give it a 3 (save your money)

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Re: Vortex II
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2001, 01:08:54 AM »
My question for myself, "What took me so long to try this ball?!"

Purchased used from drill wizard, he's lefty too but his span is about 1/2 of an inch longer than mine!  Therefore I threw a ball with no inserts.  Sort of sharp edges.  A little less speed and revs.

OK,  I'll come back with another review with the same drilling and my own custom finger layout.  This ball is awesome!

Ball is duller than box about 600 wet sand.  Drilling is a modified rev leverage or what is sometimes called thumb leverage.  Pin about 4 inches from pap and cg stacked about an inch below the grip midline.  Pin is barely 2 1/2 inches from the CG and a weighthole is drilled about 6 3/4 from grip center on a line thru the grip center and CG.

This ball reminds me a lot of my wonderful Crimson Red Sledgehammer from
Hammer.  It is heavy rolling and hard hitting.  Very even in reaction.

This one hits a little harder because the drilling is stacked versus the Sledgehammer which has the CG is kicked out quite a bit on the sledge.

It also reminds me of my reactive Nighthawk, but smoother.

This is one of the best balls out there and it just hits so hard.  Tremendous continuation.  I was playing Feet on 30 launching the ball over 16 at the feathers out to 8.  This is very deep for this medium rev lefty and I was not even revving like usual.  I expect to smooth or polish this ball to play a few less boards.

This ball is a lot like my Pantera but maybe a little cleaner thru the heads and maybe not as jumpy on the back.  Both have incredible continuation, the Vortex II smoother.

I think this one is going to be carried in the "A" bag.

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