Post by: hatehvyoil on December 23, 2011, 01:38:44 AM
Just received a supply of adrenaline wipe from buddies. Watched the video on powerhouse site about them. According to video they don’t clean your ball but increase oil absorption. Sounds like if that’s the case, might have to do more cleaning and oil extraction service on ball than before. Anybody try them yet?
http://www.powerhousebowling.com/videos#
Post by: charlest on December 23, 2011, 12:23:52 PM
Tried them once so far.
Nice heavy duty vinyl, zip lock pack.
Smell inside pack, not bad at all.
Awkward to remove: they are folded in half, but are all connected like a paper towel roll, with perforations. Had to remove all of them, unfold them, and tear one off. Then put all the rest back into the vinyl pouch. Kind of tedious and awkward.
They do remove oil. In fact, of all the cleaners approved for use DURING bowling that I have tried, these appear, in this initial use, to actually remove oil lines embedded into the ball. The only ones to do that are the ones approved for after or before bowling: Clean n Dull, Hook-It, and Lanemasters cleaner.
So far so good.
I had to rub for 15 - 20 seconds to remove the oil lines. Normally, one would rub for 3 or 4 seconds with the above stronger cleaners on one 5" - 6" section. With cleaners approved during bowling, you coudl rub for hours and not remove the oil lines.
Smell: after cleaning 2 balls thoroughly, the smell did get to me and I am not particularly sensitive to this, and similar, like Lanemasters, which bothers a lot of people. I immediately took the used wipe out to the garage garbage pail.
The wipe is a slightly rough, orange colore, loosely woven cloth and is well soaked with the cleaner. There was plenty to easily do the 2 complete balls I wanted to do. I might have been able to do a 3rd ball, but the smell got to me.
I'd advise anyone to do this in a well ventilated area or with open windows.
Feel: although this is supposed to be water soluble, it felt slightly oily, not much at all. In the future, I will use a latex, nitrile or rubber glove when applying it.
So far, so good, overall.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Edited by charlest on 12/23/2011 at 3:06 PM
Post by: Nails on December 23, 2011, 12:58:26 PM
They very well could be a very good cleaner, but their marketing sounds like mumbo jumbo. Deep cleaning will allow the ball to absorb more oil since there will be more pores available to absorb the oil. Nothing wrong with advertising them as a high end cleaner.
"Powerhouse Adrenaline Ball Steroid Wipes use a micro-pore penetrating action that safely restores and increases oil absorption in all reactive bowling balls. In addition to increasing oil absorption, research shows that over time, without re-surfacing a ball, Adrenaline enhances ball reaction.
Chemically enhances bowling ball reaction over time without surface adjustments. Improves oil absorption on reactive coverstock. Convenient to store and use. Approved for use during USBC competition.
Decreased Length, Increased Backend and Increased Hook."
They almost imply that they are doing something chemically to change how the ball absorbs oil. Once the ball has cured, nothing added to the surface is going to change the chemical composition of the ball.
Telling it like it is.
Post by: Stan on December 23, 2011, 01:08:07 PM
I ordered some for the shop and tried them out when they arrived. Appeared to work but like already mentioned, a pain in the butt to separate and the smell is horrible.
Post by: charlest on December 23, 2011, 02:05:24 PM
But resins are kind of like a Lacquer finish on a car: they never truly finish curing. The process is ongoing, as far as I have heard.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: Nails on December 23, 2011, 03:01:35 PM
I've read that as well, but even if it's true, it must be extremely slow or else ball's characteristics would change over time. If this ongoing change causes 'ball death", I'm sure we'd have heard about it by now. In any case, if their statement is true, I'd be even more apprehensive about using it. Who wants to play with the internal chemistry of a finished product? Has it only been tested on the additives and curing products that Ebonite uses? Again, if it's true, how would it act on other manufacturers products?
I'm more comfortable thinking it's a super deep cleaner that gets oil out of pores that other (surface only) cleaners can't.
Telling it like it is.
Post by: Balldoctor on December 24, 2011, 01:51:58 AM
Asked the question about curing. Answer, 99 % of curing is done by the time the ball is placed in the box.
Have the new wipes on order. Looking forward to trying them out.
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Post by: ChrisH on December 27, 2011, 04:52:15 PM
These wipes really work. Give them a try, you will not be disappointed.
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Post by: charlest on December 28, 2011, 09:05:34 PM
Interesting part of the advertisement for the wipes:
"Decreased Length, Increased Backend and Increased Hook. "
Decreased length? Because it changes the chemical absorption capability of the cover stock???
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: Balldoctor on December 28, 2011, 11:09:43 PM
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Post by: Curt_Dupre on December 29, 2011, 12:52:17 AM
What the wipes do, is to clear the oil out of the top of the cover and then open up the pores of the ball to increase oil absorption. Increased oil absorption of course leads to increased hook. Honestly we have used it on a couple of balls, and everyone has said there ball hooks more. Personally if you use this regularly after every 12-15 games, you will never have a ball die on you. Used them on older balls, but they didn't work as well as they did on the newer balls. As for me, I used a ball that had about 200 games on it, and it gave me 3 more boards of hook. So far I have had about 8 games on the ball since using the wipe, and it is still hooking just as much.
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Post by: charlest on December 29, 2011, 07:03:46 AM
Thank you for your experience in this matter, Curt.
Personally I do not like the idea of any of those 3 changes in my bowling balls' capabilities: decreased length, more backend and more overall hook. If I did, I would buy another ball. 3 more boards of hook is another class of ball. I do not get all weak in the knees and start dancing in the aisles when I see a ball cover more boards.
I want my bowling balls to remain as they are. That's why I bought them, that's why I drilled the way I did, that's why I have the surface where I have it NOW.
I'd like my bowling balls not to lose power, BUT I do not want to increase their power. If this is the case, I will restrict my testing of Adrenaline wipes to one or two specific balls and see what happens.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: spmcgivern on December 29, 2011, 07:11:52 AM
Perhaps his claim was based on comparisons between a ball that had zero maintenance on it and then using the wipes on that ball. Increasing performance is all relative to the beginning level the ball was at.
I also agree with you Charlest, all I want is the ball to perform the way it was intended to for as long as possible. And if it were to lose some performance, hopefully it is a slow death.
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Post by: Balldoctor on December 29, 2011, 10:06:37 AM
IMO, some are asking for the impossible. A ball can not hook on oil, only slow down. A ball will not hook until it
loses speed. If a ball does not remove oil, it does not react. That oil must go somewhere. All balls will lose some of it's reaction as it removes the lane oil. With today's high scoring pace, most don't get anything done to their equipment. The new wipes are simply a tool to help maintain your reaction.
Just like all the tools available, some will love it, some hate it.
In Bowling, it truly is what it is, at the moment.
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Post by: Curt_Dupre on December 29, 2011, 10:49:17 AM
Exactly BallDoc. I am going to be honest. I really don't clean my bowling balls. But I also really haven't had a ball die on me unless it had about 400 games on it. What I am saying is people have been complaining for years that there balls die to quick for instance any dull bowling ball. This adrenaline wipe will allow the ball to have open pores all the time which will in turn lead to WAY longer ball longevity. I mean yes I got 3 more boards of hook. But the ball also had lost some of its hitting power before I used the wipe. Now the ball is going through the pins a lot harder. Grab a ball of yours that has lost some of its power. Use the wipe and then you will see the power is back end the ball. We have had a lot of discussion about this product and what it does. Ever had a ball that seemed like it stopped hooking, then you left it in your house for some months and magically it started working again? My thoughts, is that when you leave the ball alone, it allows the oil to seep deeper into the cover instead of staying on top. Well the wipes do the same thing except it takes only 20-30 seconds. And it also removes the oil.
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Post by: John D Davis on December 29, 2011, 12:03:52 PM
Some of the things you guys have said has been great points and opinions, but I dont really agree with what you just said Curt...
If the ball is cleaned and the pores do become more open, then oil absorbtion rate becomes alot higher causing the ball to soak up if not twice as much as it did before using the product. Now of course Im no expert whatsoever in researching the bowling chemicals we use,etc but it seems to me that wouldnt "Aceton" basically do the same thing? It opens the pores of the bowling balls and hell it even works in about 3 seconds!
Now Im not justifying one way or the other, but Im just stating my thoughts so on. I only use Aceton on occasion just to maybe get the polish off a bowling ball without sanding, or maybe getting a spot of glue off etc. Does anyone even know the bad of using the Aceton? I have heard many times not to use it but I never heard the main reasons.
I myself am going to buy the product just to see if it does even half of what it says,etc. You know why??? Because I am a tournament bowler, and if it will give me a slight edge and maybe help me carry two shots more a game, why hell yeah Im down for it........ Thats why Ebonite products continue to be great etc. They may not last as long as some of the other companys, but for the first 20-30 games, they outperform the competition hands down. Thanks Charlest for your detailed description. John
Post by: Balldoctor on December 29, 2011, 12:37:18 PM
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Post by: Rich Hanson on December 29, 2011, 01:23:06 PM
Curt and Ball Doctor are right on point. The Adrenaline Wipes help restore/improve the balls ability to absorb oil. Although this product will clean the surface of the ball, it's main purpose is to go deeper to clean the sub-surface. They are more effective on today's reactive resin covers than on older balls from the 90's. The reason being is that older balls had lower absorption rates than newer technology balls. By no means will Adrenaline take a ball that is designed to hook 10 boards and make it hook 15 boards. What it will do is allow newer balls to perform "like new" longer and restore some performance to older balls.
Post by: charlest on December 29, 2011, 02:08:59 PM
- From your reply, I was wondering when is the proper time to use the Adrenaline wipes?
To clean the ball after each set
To clean the ball after each set
OR,
more like Clean and Dull, to use it on balls, after every 3 - 5 sets,
depending on how much oil the ball sees and the condition of the shell??
Thank you for replying!
Thank you for replying!
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Edited by charlest on 12/29/2011 at 3:12 PM
Post by: ambi1 on December 29, 2011, 09:30:25 PM
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Post by: charlest on December 29, 2011, 10:06:06 PM
Rich replied in a private email:
"It is recommended to use Adrenaline every 3 to 6 games. That is what we recommended but it will really vary upon the amount of oil and the type of bowling ball."
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: J_Mac on December 29, 2011, 10:35:14 PM
Someone from my area said that these wipes remind him of graffiti remover. They do make a graffiti remover product in a scrub form similar to these ball wipes...
Just something to ponder, its quite possible that there is no connection between these two products...
Post by: JohnP on December 30, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
"Now Im not justifying one way or the other, but Im just stating my thoughts so on. I only use Aceton on occasion just to maybe get the polish off a bowling ball without sanding, or maybe getting a spot of glue off etc. Does anyone even know the bad of using the Aceton? I have heard many times not to use it but I never heard the main reasons."
The important reason not to use acetone is that it's illegal by USBC rules for use at any time. Why it's illegal goes back to the early 70's when Don McCune found that by soaking his plastic ball in a solvent (MEK was the main solvent used) the cover became softer and the ball hooked more. This gave him an advantage on the tour, he won several tournaments using the "soaker". Soon all the pro's were soaking their ball, resulting in the danger of fires and personal health issues. Columbia developed a plastic ball with a softer core and the ABC stepped in and established a surface hardness spec that's still in place today. At a later time they analyzed the affect of various substances on ball surface and made any that softened the covers when in contact for an extended time illegal. Acetone fits into that category. -- JohnP
Post by: Balldoctor on December 30, 2011, 11:11:12 AM
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Post by: John D Davis on December 30, 2011, 11:20:31 AM
Thanks JohnP for that post... For the first 10 years of my bowling, of course I was a house hack like most not going anywhere,etc. Only bowling in that one house day in and day out so on. but the owner of that house always praised Aceton and for all those years I thought that it was a good thing to clean them with it. And I have always heard about the balls they used to call soaker balls that they had back in the day but I never one time heard what exactly the chemicals was they used in that process.
I also didnt know that using Aceton at any time was illegal etc. I appreciate that insite. I can remember years ago, league bowlers would full there custom bottles up with half Aceton and half Alcohol and even clean there balls with it during league... The funny thing is, usually the ones that were doing that were the ones struggling lol. John
Post by: Balldoctor on December 30, 2011, 11:47:17 AM
Another little known rule. During league you may use approved cleaners. You may also use the Lustre King or
other non apprassive cleaning machines only if the machine is on the concourse and in full view.
You not permitted to go into the Pro Shop to use the machine or use the spinner to polish.
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on December 30, 2011, 01:40:13 PM
A good microfiber towel used between shots to get the oil off the ball is all that is needed. You guys are just buying into marketing if you think you need to use a cleaner in between shots. When the pros start doing that, maybe then I'll pay attention. Right now, you don't see a single one of them do it. Heck, you don't see that many use a towel anymore. Maybe you would be better served worrying about how your delivering the ball instead of other things. My .02 Carry on.
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Post by: John D Davis on December 30, 2011, 04:52:22 PM
Well at least we had a few good posts before "Sunshine" came on here and said something negative..........
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on December 30, 2011, 07:52:57 PM
John, I'm sorry if you think the truth is negative. That's too bad. Like I said, carry on worrying about whether every pore of your bowling ball is open and clean before each shot. I'll worry more about my timing, hitting my mark, and keeping my hand in the correct position. You know, what some of us call bowling.
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: Balldoctor on January 01, 2012, 10:10:34 AM
Good point about the microfiber towel by Ebonite. We have preached this since 2004. Yet another tool to keep your ball up to performance standards. Bill Calhoon did many Demo's in which he showed the power of the towel.
Gonna try out the wipes in league tomorrow.
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Edited by Balldoctor on 1/1/2012 at 11:11 AM
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on January 01, 2012, 03:16:15 PM
Thank you. I appreciate you recognizing my point without attacking.
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: titletowncards on January 05, 2012, 06:18:36 PM
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Post by: sevenpin63 on January 07, 2012, 02:50:37 PM
Hey Bruce whats shaken.
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Post by: sevenpin63 on January 07, 2012, 06:36:56 PM
Not much how bout you and your buddy MG.
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Post by: Balldoctor on January 08, 2012, 02:33:03 AM
Just got home from work. In my box at The Bowl was a packet of 10 wipes.
Thanks Rich. Gold Pro Shops, look for yours soon.
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Edited by Balldoctor on 1/8/2012 at 1:26 PM
Post by: Balldoctor on January 09, 2012, 07:52:11 PM
Put the Wipe on 6 balls tonite, My Warning Sign was way strong. I cleaned and didn't polish my Signals.
I always end up with 2000 and factory finish. I needed the polish I didn't have .
Will test more, but I can tell you I got earlier hook with just the wipe.
Will check on the other 4 later.
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Edited by Balldoctor on 1/9/2012 at 8:53 PM
Post by: Artimust on January 18, 2012, 01:28:30 PM
Any idea about how many balls 1 sheet can do if I do them consecutively? What about doing one ball and then putting the wipe back in the bag or in a separate zip-lock bag?
Would it be good to use the wipe to open up the pores, then do a hot water bath for a deeeep clean or would that be redundant? I ordered a pack to try, so if anyone knows, thanks for the input. Wanna use it correctly and most efficiently.
I know it sounds like I'm in denial, but I'm not.
Post by: charlest on January 18, 2012, 02:22:54 PM
I've put my FIRST wipes back in the bag 3 times now. It's still wet, because the rest in the pack (ziplock seal) are still wet. Still using the first. Not sure if this is the right thing to do, but why waste ...?
I wouldn't YET use them for anything but a thorough wipe every other set. Try it and see what happens.
I still strongly recommend using some sort of glove to apply/use them.
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Edited by charlest on 1/18/2012 at 3:23 PM
Post by: titletowncards on February 14, 2012, 06:21:02 PM
Tried my first wipe out on my wife's Mission and Rogue Cell. She won't throw them till Saturday, but I couldn't wait to at least try the wipe out. Very strong odor, did them outside, used gloves. Very simple to do, on the package it says to leave it on for 15-20 sec., then wipe of with damp towel. Seems to make the ball feel a bit cleaner. Our house shot is pretty oily lately, so my wife's bowling balls could use a little "steroiding". Will report results later.
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Post by: Walking E on February 14, 2012, 06:28:12 PM
And hey, I didn't mind the smell too much. Then again, I like the smell of gasoline, so I have a tweaked perspective on this. ;-)
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Post by: Jesse James on February 15, 2012, 12:14:40 PM
Funny that you should mention acetone, John P. My partner bought a bag of these last night and tried them out. They seem to work extremely well. As soon as I smelled the chemicals though, I immediately thought of acetone, in a slightly diluted form!
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Post by: Snakster on May 23, 2014, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: charlest on May 23, 2014, 09:41:08 AM
For the sake of clarity, these are supposed to be wet right? Bought a pack at a local pro shop earlier this week. Opened it last night at my son's summer league and they were bone dry.
Mine were wet. I assume they have to have the compound on them to work. I'd return the dry one. They're either VERY old (my opened but zip-lock sealed original ones from 2 years ago are still wet in the package.) or it was left opened.
Post by: St. Croix on May 23, 2014, 10:19:49 AM
For the sake of clarity, these are supposed to be wet right? Bought a pack at a local pro shop earlier this week. Opened it last night at my son's summer league and they were bone dry.
Mine were wet. I assume they have to have the compound on them to work. I'd return the dry one. They're either VERY old (my opened but zip-lock sealed original ones from 2 years ago are still wet in the package.) or it was left opened.
The adrenaline wipes are supposed to be wet. You can get several applications from each pad if you keep them in an air tight pouch. I also have a few adrenaline wipes in original packaging, and after 18 months or so, they are still wet.
As Jeff suggests, do return the dry pads to your local shop.
Post by: Snakster on May 23, 2014, 01:00:32 PM
Thanks guys.
Post by: BossTull on May 24, 2014, 07:11:07 AM
Powerhouse changed the original packaging which was a zip lock bag to a plastic container. They had issues with the packaging leaking over time so the wipes were oversaturated to keep them from drying out. With the new packaging they reduced the amount of liquid applied to the wipe. They are definitely dryer than the orange colored originals. From my experience they still work but pretty much for the initial use only.
Post by: charlest on May 24, 2014, 10:33:44 AM
Powerhouse changed the original packaging which was a zip lock bag to a plastic container. They had issues with the packaging leaking over time so the wipes were oversaturated to keep them from drying out. With the new packaging they reduced the amount of liquid applied to the wipe. They are definitely dryer than the orange colored originals. From my experience they still work but pretty much for the initial use only.
But are they dry, when fresh out of the bag?
I guess I have the original "wet" packaging, with a ziploc bag, and one wipe was good for 2 - 4 balls.
Post by: BossTull on May 24, 2014, 12:01:16 PM
The information above came from a REP when I inquired about the wipes. The first container I got the wipes were almost completely dry not even damp. That prompted me to inquire about the wipes. The second batch I received as a replacement had a moist feeling to them but only good for a one time use. There was a difference in the 2 batches that I received of the newer wipes.
Powerhouse changed the original packaging which was a zip lock bag to a plastic container. They had issues with the packaging leaking over time so the wipes were oversaturated to keep them from drying out. With the new packaging they reduced the amount of liquid applied to the wipe. They are definitely dryer than the orange colored originals. From my experience they still work but pretty much for the initial use only.
But are they dry, when fresh out of the bag?
I guess I have the original "wet" packaging, with a ziploc bag, and one wipe was good for 2 - 4 balls.
The new ones come in a plastic container and they have a light damp mostly dry feeling to them. You can see the moisture on the ball as you wipe it. As I stated the wipe is good for 1 use. I just pulled one out and wiped 2 balls but by the time I got to the 3rd one all the moisture on the wipe was gone. I compared a wipe to one of the original wipes I got from a friend and there is definitely a a huge difference in the amount of moisture on the wipe. The original also had an orange tint also and came in the Ziploc and these do not.
Post by: charlest on May 24, 2014, 12:45:51 PM
Yes, you're right about the orange tint. Mine definitely has that too, but a distinctive odor.
I suspect they're reducing the amount of the liquid they put into each package and thus saving some money. I wonder of they're still have 10 wipes per package??
Post by: BossTull on May 24, 2014, 01:37:09 PM
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Boss Tull,Yes 10 wipes and still has that odor. Added a picture of the packaging.
Yes, you're right about the orange tint. Mine definitely has that too, but a distinctive odor.
I suspect they're reducing the amount of the liquid they put into each package and thus saving some money. I wonder of they're still have 10 wipes per package??
Post by: charlest on May 24, 2014, 02:55:55 PM
I still have ever seen any chemical for bowling balls like this at all; it is unique.
Post by: Snakster on May 24, 2014, 10:08:32 PM