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Cbjdc

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Advice from pro shop drillers
« on: February 11, 2007, 09:58:40 PM »
I am in need of a little help.  To give you a little background on myself I am LH, with anywhere between 0 to 4 degrees axis tilt.  However, here is my dilema.  I used to only avg about 13-15 mph on ball speed in my home center.  Now since I have moved and to another center my ball speed is near 25mph.  I have lost the reaction on the back end because the ball blows through the breakpoint.  

What I am wanting to know can I change the Degree drilling offered in the ebonite drill sheet.  I am currently using 30 degree drillings but want to move it up to a hybrid of 60 or 90 degrees.  

What would your suggestion be in this situation?  Other then slower ball speed
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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2007, 05:59:37 AM »
also my rev rate is around 350
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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2007, 06:47:34 AM »
How did you gain 10 to 12 MPH in ball speed?
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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2007, 07:43:35 AM »

 
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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2007, 07:54:00 AM »
Um...
First tip of advice is
SLOW DOWN
You don't need to throw a ball at 25MPH. The fastest thrower in the PBA, Robert Smith doesn't even throw that fast all the time.  You don't need to do that...
Oh, I just noticed how you said, don't bring it up...But ask anyone and they will tell you slow down...
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Cbjdc

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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2007, 07:54:23 AM »
Gained it b/c the lanes are so Dry that I could not keep my equipment on the left side of the head pin.  So I had to pick ball speed up so I could get the ball to push left.  I bowl on synthetic/wood lanes and on a second shift league.  Where pretty much every bowler avgs 220.  By throwing hard to the opposite side of the lane and have it coming back.  I.E right handers-stand left throw right, revers for lefties.
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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2007, 08:01:00 AM »
mhhh... I haven't gained 10 mph but 3-4 by simply cutting down the revs and putting more forward roll on the ball and I have the same problem... the ball just skids throu the breakpoint.

What I found for me:
Increase revs and change axis of rotation - if you can't get the speed down... it is a bad thing... 10-11 mphs are very much.
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Cbjdc

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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2007, 08:04:26 AM »
Unfortunately, ball speed is a must or change my wrist position.  I have tried to slow down and it works sometimes on oiled lanes but with how much the lanes have broken down by the time we walk in throwing that hard is a must in order to score decently.

But you are completely right about slowing down.  But I can do it when I MUST... But I will not score well in this one center.
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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2007, 08:09:47 AM »
Opinion: These house shots with a big backend and defined shot area are bad for bowling.  Know your speed limits - don't get a speeding ticket.

The price of a speeding ticket - is very bad timing.  Practice your limits - know your limits.  

When tossing a bowling ball with excess speed assures bad carry.  

The area I'm trying to stay within - 15-16 mph for oil 17-18 mph for medium and most house shots/ dry shots 19-21 mph.

PS still struggling perfecting the dry house shot speed - at the 20mph range - being slow analytically minded - I have to pick up my thinking speed; get the juices flowing.  Think faster when bowling with Speed - simulated caffeine high!

ps2 - there is a limit to what a drilling can do for you.  In most cases, a certain drilling is used for where the ball should go into its slide, hook, roll stages.  While a certain drilling can help out on dry or oily conditions; ball speed is very important - the overriding factor.
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Cbjdc

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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2007, 08:15:58 AM »
k,
  i can follow what your saying however, this is the area i bowl in.  I can carry plenty since the flat bed of the lanes are shallow so I have plenty of messengers.  I am having problems getting a ball to one push far enough left then make that angular turn in the back (continous).  I am having the ball push but then not have enough reaction to recover and the ball rolls out.  

  i am not really looking for a permaneant fix b/c I want to get back down to a slower ball speed.  however, in order to stay competitive around here i have had to go to strong balls with weak drillings in order to compete.  but when i bowl with them i still have to use a weaker wrist position to bowl.  it is to my detrement when i go to nationals when slower ball speeds and heavier hands are the preferred ways of scoring.
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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2007, 08:16:59 AM »
What balls are you using now?
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Cbjdc

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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2007, 08:21:39 AM »
paradigm (strong arc)
angular one box finish (long and strong)
angular one 800 grit (pin below fingers)
ice 4000 grit polished (drilled pin above and to the left of mid finger)
wmb (pin to the left strong arc)
seek and destroy (same as wmb)
one (long and strong 2000 grit sanded)
infinte one (out of box)
Awesome hook (pin to the 8 o clock spot)

of the four i use in this one house it is the

paradigm, both angulars, ice, and one(when i take the ball)

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bgh

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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2007, 08:24:53 AM »
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k,
  I am having problems getting a ball to one push far enough left then make that angular turn in the back (continuous).  I am having the ball push but then not have enough reaction to recover and the ball rolls out. (left hander)  


Have you tried more loft on your ball, to circumvent early roll. This is a little tricky.  The loft I'm talking about, is a smooth out to the lane loft. Not an instant into the lane roll loft.  

Out onto the lane smooth loft (like a jet plane landing), not into the lane. Just aiming a foot or so farther down the lane should get the ball from rolling too soon.  

Two types of loft:  hitting up on the ball with loft = instant roll & smooth out on the lane loft = delaying the ball motion to further down the lane.


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strikemor

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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2007, 08:27:51 AM »
I recently had a similar situation with one of my customers. He bowls on Guardian overlay and had a lot of trouble keeping the ball in play.  We drilled a Tropical Storm with a 5" pin and 3 1/2 top weight.  We placed the pin in his track and put the cg in the palm.  He is happy with the reaction and says the carry is very good.
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Re: Advice from pro shop drillers
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2007, 09:10:19 AM »
quote:
paradigm (strong arc)
angular one box finish (long and strong)
angular one 800 grit (pin below fingers)
ice 4000 grit polished (drilled pin above and to the left of mid finger)
wmb (pin to the left strong arc)
seek and destroy (same as wmb)
one (long and strong 2000 grit sanded)
infinte one (out of box)
Awesome hook (pin to the 8 o clock spot)

of the four i use in this one house it is the

paradigm, both angulars, ice, and one(when i take the ball)

Edited on 2/12/2007 9:20 AM


Majority of the balls listed are strong and not for the condition you're describing.  Perhaps a dry->light medium type ball will satisfy your needs, thus slowing down the "need for speed"

Too much ball for dry lanes (i.e. paradigm and angular)
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