Post by: Greg T on October 03, 2007, 03:28:46 PM
I have been with Ebo for many years and have just made the decision to drop them completely. Although they fit my game to a T I am sick and tired of buying thr to four of the same balls every year. 6 weeks is the max I can get. I now own two perfectly great looking TNVs that turned into twig or spare balls. Cant get them to hook more than 5 boards. Every Ebo I have had in the last 10 years has been the same and I just cannot justify spending this much money anymore.
The reaction is fanatstic and the carry is excellent for the first 15 to 20 games. Then it's all over. I just pulled mine out tonight after a thorough soaking, cleaning, resurfacing using all the recommended techniques. Even used the powerhouse factory finish. End result.....targeting the 5 board all night and just barely carrying the rack. Anything closely resembling moving inside, even attempting a track shot would result in missing the headpin on the right.
Don't bother giving me the lectures on the cleaning and upkeep cuz nobody takes better care of their equipment than I do. Period. Ebo is done, Hammer will be my next test.
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Post by: Dead Flush on October 04, 2007, 01:15:12 PM
I've tried everything to bring it back to life, but there's no pulse left in this ball.
It makes an awfully pretty boat anchor.
I have other Ebo's that are good and still going strong. My Turbo X is over 20 years old and still has a great reaction on the lanes. I also have a V2 sanded that still the sht on medium oil.
The NV cover is just crap..IMHO..
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Post by: KDawg77 on October 04, 2007, 01:24:23 PM
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Post by: JMORRIS on October 04, 2007, 01:24:47 PM
Post by: Dead Flush on October 04, 2007, 01:37:00 PM
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Not to be picky, but NO ONE has a 20 year old Turbo X.
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My bad...15 years old..but you get the point
Post by: Dead Flush on October 04, 2007, 01:37:53 PM
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Don't bother with Hammer then. Same company! Same coverstocks!
Ebo covers are different than Hammer. Not even the same formula.
Post by: KDawg77 on October 04, 2007, 01:37:56 PM
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Post by: Dead Flush on October 04, 2007, 01:41:01 PM
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I also thought "how'd that lucky S.O.B. get that ball that early?!"
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I was there!! I was also there for the first urethane balls (angle) and the first polyster bleeders (yellow dot).
Part of the benefits of being a geezer..
Post by: KDawg77 on October 04, 2007, 01:42:59 PM
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Post by: shelley on October 04, 2007, 01:51:55 PM
You want a ball that lasts, get a Lanemasters. You don't want to spend a metric buttload of money on new stuff, get a Sure Strike. Or a Sting and Buzz for a combo.
SH
Post by: jkiser01 on October 04, 2007, 02:00:02 PM
I also have an Ebonite Clash and Bash and have had zero problems with those 2 balls losing any of their bite on the lane..
I did have a TNV and it was a pain in the butt to keep clean but I never did noticed any loss of hitting power or hook with it..
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Post by: shelley on October 04, 2007, 02:28:32 PM
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If it produced at the same company, it uses the same chemicals and processes, does anyone really think that any company would shut down their lines and do a changeover to run balls for one of their sub brands.
They'd do that every time they switched from making Crossfires to TNVs anyway. Doing it for their other brands is no different. Or they have multiple production lines and can change when they need to. It's not like they make 50 TNVs, 40 BWs, and 100 Maxims a day. They make TNVs for a week, BWs for a week, Maxims for a week,... depending on what kind of supply and inventory is out there.
Better covers for the "subbrands"? Maybe, maybe not. It's all part of the corporate and marketing strategy. And what does "better" mean anyway?
SH
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on October 04, 2007, 02:32:00 PM
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Post by: tdub36tjt on October 04, 2007, 02:47:14 PM
Post by: JMORRIS on October 04, 2007, 03:00:14 PM
My TNV and BW have been great so far, but they have under 50 games on them, because they are too strong for the THS I bowl on.
I own a ball spinner and use clean & dull and storm cleaning products after every set. My Toxic used to destroy racks...Now plaque, plaque, plaque!
Maye it's mental, but I'm ready to try some other brands...
Post by: tdub36tjt on October 04, 2007, 03:06:07 PM
I also loved my original TNV so much I had to get a new one so I just did the other day.
Post by: leftehh- LG on October 04, 2007, 03:06:15 PM
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Post by: River700 on October 04, 2007, 03:48:52 PM
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Post by: Raven829 on October 04, 2007, 04:00:22 PM
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Post by: Djarum on October 04, 2007, 04:06:01 PM
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I'm really beginning to wonder if this may be a quality control issue; not just with Ebonite, but all companies. I know many people that have 100+ games on their TNV with no loss of reaction. But for every one of those guys, there's someone like Greg T and DeadFlush that experience a terrible loss of reaction. There has to be some explanation, and the only one I can think of is that the coverstock composition varies just enough to cause one ball to die and not the other.
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This may be a volume of oil issue. I had a team mate that had 100+ games with his infinite one. Bowled shark pattern and was having good success. Now on his THS the ball just dies. He cleans it and got it resurfaced, but it still dead.
Some bowlers may be bowling on higher volume of oil, so the ball dies quicker than on lighter volumes of oil.
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Post by: Djarum on October 04, 2007, 04:11:38 PM
I have a fired up that has lost some reaction, but it still carries well. I think I like the reaction now better than when I had it new.
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Post by: Greg T on October 04, 2007, 04:16:50 PM
We have a decent oil volume but also a very weak backend. Still, out of the box I can play DEEP inside. In a matter of a few short weeks it's all over. NOTHING brings them back. I finished my night last wednesday by pulling out an old V2 power and went 17 to about 5 and hammered the pocket. If I threw one of my TNVs on that same line it would be ditched before midlane.
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Post by: SpareK on October 04, 2007, 04:33:08 PM
A>A
Post by: dw23 on October 04, 2007, 05:12:07 PM
Now my Storm equipment started to loose its reaction after 30+ games.
In 16 years of using Track I have only had 1 ball die on me. I didn't have a problem with it though because it had at least 300 games on it. I used it for 4 years as my benchmark ball.
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Post by: BigDogBowling on October 04, 2007, 05:27:51 PM
Post by: Greg T on October 04, 2007, 06:28:51 PM
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I have an angular one that is used as a spare ball. I had good reaction for the first 35 games then it died. I routinely clean my equipment after every set. I even tried to redrill the ball so I could get a different reation and it is not any better. The AO and the Storm spitfire are the only balls that I have had this happen to. I will not buy another product of theirs until I start reading post that prove they have fixed their problem.
A>A
My Angular went junk too. Gave it to my kid who can hook plastic. He doesnt even like it.
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Post by: 86camaroman on October 04, 2007, 07:00:02 PM
Post by: Moon57 on October 04, 2007, 07:22:54 PM
Moon
Post by: Moon57 on October 04, 2007, 07:47:54 PM
Moon
Post by: tdub36tjt on October 04, 2007, 08:40:38 PM
Post by: Greg T on October 04, 2007, 09:13:37 PM
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Say Greg, have you tried hitting the ball really, really heavy with with 180 grit wet/dry? Then bringing it back to oob. I'm wondering if the ball is glazing over in the track area, either from the surface being a little soft or the friction from hitting the dry with alot of revs. There has to be a simple reason for this happening but nobody is seeing it. Maybe the pores in the ball are so small the dirt is getting jammed in and wont come out and then just keeps getting pushed farther in. It would be real interesting to look at the surface under some magnification.
Moon
I have de-oiled them and resurfaced one with 180, 360, 500, 1000, 4000, Factory finish. The other went 360, 500, Factory Finish.
Moon, if you look at the photo galleries on the site you'll see a couple of cars on the portable dyno. Mine is the blue 78 Z28 with the ghosted flames.
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Post by: strikingresults-atl on October 04, 2007, 11:24:16 PM
Have you tried hook again or a hot water bath treatment?
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Post by: Greg T on October 05, 2007, 07:54:08 AM
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Greg T,
Have you tried hook again or a hot water bath treatment?
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As I stated in my other posts, I have done everything correctly and in accordance with Ebo's instructions. Once gone, gone for good. My son, who can hook plastic, gets a nice smooth reaction out of them and they hit quite well. I suppose if someone was bowling on bone dry backends these would be teriffic balls. All I'm saying is that, on the conditions I encounter, Ebos work fine for about 10 to 15 games as long as you dont touch the cover. Deep clean, resurface, change surface, all over. No hook.
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Post by: Grayson on October 05, 2007, 09:01:19 AM
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I had a TNV and it died after like 100 games and my friend had one same thing, but he put it away in his closet for the summer brought it back out and it out hooks all his other balls in his bag again. It was kind of weird. He has a shift and a bwp and it out hooks both those no problem. I don't know why it would do this. My other friend just brought his One out of his closet after a year of being in there and he said it is his strongest ball now after being dead. He has like 8 or 9 high performance balls too.
That is easy to explain... the oil absorbet into the coverstock migrated further into the coverstock leaving a less high amount of oil nearer to the surface... giving the ball again the possibility to absorb oil.
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Post by: mainzer on October 05, 2007, 09:21:45 AM
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Might as well skip hammer, track, and columbia because if the covers aren't the same, they are da** close.
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Post by: insidedrive on October 05, 2007, 09:23:49 AM
I'm gonna take the advice of the previous poster who mentioned don't mess with the cover, I've got an NVS right now that I'm working with, I'll stick with alcohol and a white scotchbright pad just to take the crap off it and hope that I can keep the life of it running.
Post by: Crankenstein300 on October 05, 2007, 03:17:08 PM
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Greg T,
Well maybe you should get a clue and stop touching the surfaces on your balls, you cant expect a ball that comes OB 4000 and when you encounter some oil in the middle to scuff it to 1000 to be the same after you want to bring it back up to 4000. Touching balls surfaces takes off layers of the cover bottomline, I suggest not touching the surfaces and throwing something different when you encounter more oil. I realize that tweaking of the surface can make a ball react good or bad, but its all depending on where, when, and how much oil there is. Soaking it, taking it down, resurfacing will jack up the cover, just think of what you are actually doing to the ball when you resurface it... it will never be the same, so dont expect anything different.
You've got to be kidding. Surface adjustments aren't done near enough in my opinion.
Post by: six pack on October 05, 2007, 03:47:41 PM
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Greg T,
Well maybe you should get a clue and stop touching the surfaces on your balls, you cant expect a ball that comes OB 4000 and when you encounter some oil in the middle to scuff it to 1000 to be the same after you want to bring it back up to 4000. Touching balls surfaces takes off layers of the cover bottomline, I suggest not touching the surfaces and throwing something different when you encounter more oil. I realize that tweaking of the surface can make a ball react good or bad, but its all depending on where, when, and how much oil there is. Soaking it, taking it down, resurfacing will jack up the cover, just think of what you are actually doing to the ball when you resurface it... it will never be the same, so dont expect anything different.
WOW!
and to think we have been doing it all wrong for all these years,hmmm.......
as for the EBO covers,they are what they are.people I know includeing me would buy an Ebo ball for the hook but in the back of our minds knew what to expect.my no mercy still hooks but I grew tired of keeping it alive so I retired it and I'm haveing as much if not more sucsess with some used particle balls I picked up cheap and brought back to life.
I read many complaints about particle covers and I think Ebonite reacted on the bad and developed a new cover that works as well,just not as long as particle covers and now they own over half of the bowling industry.it goes on par as with everything else made these days,works better but just for not as long,should be good for their sales,right?
I think the best choices for a new ball would be something from roto grip,Legend,Morich,Brunswick and visionary.as for me,I'm leaning twoards Roto grip,they seem to be makeing stuff I would be interested in right now.
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Post by: 302efi on October 05, 2007, 10:16:45 PM
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it would be utterly stupid to make the same ball for Four different companies.
Actually it wouldn't...It would be a very cost effective way to lower overhead and still promote "new and different" gear.
To be honest, thats probably what Ebonite is doing.
No matter what they tell "us", changing some names and colors isn't that hard...
You think the TNV and Black Widow Pearl covers are really that different ???......
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Post by: shiftuneTNV on October 08, 2007, 10:57:29 PM
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Post by: DP3 on October 09, 2007, 12:53:05 AM
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You think the TNV and Black Widow Pearl covers are really that different ???......
Yes, considering that the BWP was made months wayyyy before the TNV. Now there's another "ebo-match" rumor floating around about that one but until really proven it's all speculation. As long as it all rolls good, who cares if another ball shares the cover? I really doubt anyone does outside of about 50 people on here.
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Post by: kleptic on October 09, 2007, 02:51:34 AM
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Greg T,
Well maybe you should get a clue and stop touching the surfaces on your balls, you cant expect a ball that comes OB 4000 and when you encounter some oil in the middle to scuff it to 1000 to be the same after you want to bring it back up to 4000. Touching balls surfaces takes off layers of the cover bottomline, I suggest not touching the surfaces and throwing something different when you encounter more oil. I realize that tweaking of the surface can make a ball react good or bad, but its all depending on where, when, and how much oil there is. Soaking it, taking it down, resurfacing will jack up the cover, just think of what you are actually doing to the ball when you resurface it... it will never be the same, so dont expect anything different.
strongly disagree
I believe pretty much the exact opposite. OOB finish is not some magical thing they can ony do at the ball factory. with a ball spinner you can do the exact same thing at home.
if you really are cleaning your ball properly I don't see how it could die at all in 50 games.
I think factors involved could definitely be oil volume with a dull ball surface and poor cleaning practices.
I use polish on most my balls. probably stops a lot of oil. and I clean the crap out of my ball every throw with a microfiber towel. I recently switched from a normal towel to a microfiber and the difference is a lot more than I thought it would be. not only can I not see oil after wiping my ball down with it. it really feels tacky again where the oil marks were. amazing towel technology!
I love playing with my ball spinner also. I love keeping the covers looking fresh. I've had no problem with that ruining reaction.
I don't have high revs so I would think that I would be more effected by a ball dying. I really haven't noticed anything though.
Post by: 302efi on October 09, 2007, 07:35:22 AM
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You think the TNV and Black Widow Pearl covers are really that different ???......
Yes, considering that the BWP was made months wayyyy before the TNV. Now there's another "ebo-match" rumor floating around about that one but until really proven it's all speculation. As long as it all rolls good, who cares if another ball shares the cover? I really doubt anyone does outside of about 50 people on here.
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You didnt qoute my whole post...
What I'm saying is its smart business just swap some names and colors and now you have a new ball.
Not a bad thing at all !
Since the company has time and money invested in the design of a coverstock, why not put it on more balls ?
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Post by: MrNattyBoh on October 11, 2007, 09:22:40 AM
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Post by: shelley on October 11, 2007, 11:02:56 AM
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why dont all of you people that are complaining about coverstocks get a ball that has a strong core to it. simple. problem solved.
The NV line and the One line have some of the strongest cores in the business. Strong asymmetrics, plenty of dynamics. What am I missing about "strong cores"?
SH
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Post by: shelley on October 11, 2007, 11:08:57 AM
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SIMPLY STATING, GET A BALL THAT YOU RELY ON THE CORE INSTEAD OF THE COVERSTOCK. THE CORE WILL NEVER DIE. I HAVE A USED INSITE ALMIGHTY AND IT HAS ABOUT 9 PLUG JOBS ON IT. IT IS THE STRONGEST BALL I HAVE SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE CORE IT SELF AND THE WAY IT IS DRILLED.
Then Insite's balls are truly unique in the bowling industry. I was always told that the core is 20-40% of the ball's reaction while the cover and surface is up to 75% of it.
Also, typing in all CAPS is kind of obnoxious. I'm sure that's not what you were going for. I can read your post just fine with normal capitalization. My eyes aren't what they used to be, but they're good enough for that.
SH
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on October 11, 2007, 11:30:32 AM
If the core are what propels the ball tell me why my plastic buzzsaw with a real core hooks 5 boards and why any reactive ball i own hooks at 10 boards???
Insite almighty is a brunswick cover so they are not known for ball death like Ebonite and older Columbia products.
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sorry about the caps lock, but i always have that on for work. that is irrevelant to what we are discussing. How can a cover be 75% of how a ball moves. it is all about physics. when you have a weight block that shifts as it is going down the lane, the movement of the ball is going to shift with it. it is like some of these people on here saying that they have a reactive ball that goes straight down the lane like a plastic ball. impossible because of the dynamics of the core. the only way a reactive ball will not turn the core is if it is thrown 100mph and no revs.
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Post by: shelley on October 11, 2007, 11:38:48 AM
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How can a cover be 75% of how a ball moves. it is all about physics. when you have a weight block that shifts as it is going down the lane, the movement of the ball is going to shift with it. it is like some of these people on here saying that they have a reactive ball that goes straight down the lane like a plastic ball. impossible because of the dynamics of the core. the only way a reactive ball will not turn the core is if it is thrown 100mph and no revs.
It can be 75% of the reaction because it's 100% of the part of the ball that actually touches the lane an interacts with the lane surface and oil.
A ball moves because there's friction. That's it. That's physics. The friction force is in one direction, the ball's motion is in another. The friction pulls the ball in the direction of the friction force. The friction is between the lane surface and the ball's coverstock and is controlled by the oil or lack thereof on the lane. The core helps to ensure that there is the maximum amount of friction available. How? Differential. A ball that's rolling on an existing oil ring doesn't have as much friction available to it as one that's rolling on fresh, clean material.
How can I tell that the cover is so much more important than the core? Take the core out of play. Pin axis layouts mean the core is stable and provides very little in the way of ball motion. But do that with a ball that's got a high friction surface and it will hook. Or use a ball with a very weak core like a Tornado Warning or Straight Flush, drilled however you like. No core dynamics to speak of but a reactive cover.
Drill an XXXL (the only moderately-available plastic ball with a core that I can think of) as strong as you like. Where does it go? Straight? Where's the friction? I'll give you a hint: There isn't any.
Simply speaking, if a ball is dead, it's not providing enough friction to impact the ball's motion. The core is not at fault. The core is the same core that was in there when it as brand new. No ball I know of allows you to change that. It hasn't changed shape, it hasn't become soft and spongy or lost its dynamics. The cover is at fault.
Very much smarter people than me have said (and scientifically determined) that the cover swamps all other factors in ball motion. Core shape, orientation, layout, mass bias, static weights, weight holes. At best, with a very strong asymmetric core, those things might be bumping up to 40% of the ball's reaction. The cover and surface prep are still 50% more important than the core and layout (60 is 50% more than 40).
SH
Post by: Dan Belcher on October 11, 2007, 12:42:09 PM
The core is like the motor in your car and the coverstock is like your tires. It doesn't do you any good to have a Ferrari with a monster powerplant under the hood if you are trying to run on wet grass or ice with racing slicks, or to have four flat tires and try to run on the expressway at speed.
Post by: strikezone_sanantonio on October 11, 2007, 12:50:09 PM
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sorry about the caps lock, but i always have that on for work. that is irrevelant to what we are discussing. How can a cover be 75% of how a ball moves. it is all about physics. when you have a weight block that shifts as it is going down the lane, the movement of the ball is going to shift with it. it is like some of these people on here saying that they have a reactive ball that goes straight down the lane like a plastic ball. impossible because of the dynamics of the core. the only way a reactive ball will not turn the core is if it is thrown 100mph and no revs.
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Post by: sheppy335 on October 12, 2007, 06:37:50 AM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on October 16, 2007, 11:30:51 PM
I have pmed Greg about this possibility and guess what he does use clean and dull, i was guessing but i was right. I could care less about the 2k people on here that swear by clean and dull but that crap is never going on my stuff again.
I think the ebonite ball death is caused by the pores being clogged by clean and dull and products like it.
Post by: River700 on October 16, 2007, 11:50:47 PM
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Post by: shelley on October 17, 2007, 08:23:52 AM
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Clean and dull does not work well on Ebonite porous covers with a spinner.
I'm not disputing your results but it seems a bit strange that they'd add C&D to their Powerhouse brand of cleaners and finishing products. Certainly Ebonite would have done some research to determine if it's useable on their own equipment.
Or it's part of the "planned obsolescence" that seems characteristic of recent Ebonite equipment. You'll get 50 games out of the ball, then if you try to clean it with our super fantastical magical cleaner, you still kill the ball.
SH
Post by: 86camaroman on October 17, 2007, 08:29:53 AM
Post by: JMORRIS on October 17, 2007, 08:53:28 AM
I think my corner pin carry issue, with my Toxic and Vibe has more to do with oil carry down and not reading the transition correctly, then it does with ball death.
Post by: Xfest on October 17, 2007, 10:40:19 AM
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Post by: 302efi on October 17, 2007, 11:21:15 AM
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Acetone anyone?
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Post by: shelley on October 17, 2007, 04:27:26 PM
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Acetone anyone?
Bingo...We have a winner !
Illegal anyone?
I don't care if the rule is dumb or outdated. Doesn't matter if it's done all the time. It's illegal. If you want to use it, make the USBC change it.
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"The difference betwen porcupines and bowling centers is that porcupines have pricks on the outside."-unknown-I borrowed it from someone else
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 22, 2007, 02:56:06 PM
My Blue Violet Tornado still hooks pretty good too! But doesn't fit my area shot!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
Post by: 86camaroman on October 23, 2007, 05:36:55 PM