Post by: Greg T on November 15, 2006, 11:07:32 AM
With the OOB I was standing 25, targeting 12, swing to about 6 or 7. With 1000 grit I was standing 30, targeting 15, out to 8. Not very impressive at all. I am going to reserve judgement until I throw on a fresh shot. We'll see, but for now, not a happy camper.
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Post by: directdrill on November 15, 2006, 07:11:51 PM
Sorry to hear that, especially with how long you have posted that you had to wait for it. What exactly does the #1 layout look like?
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Post by: smash8-10split on November 15, 2006, 07:26:41 PM
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Post by: Jzero on November 15, 2006, 08:52:59 PM
The ball is plenty strong, you just have to let it rev up.
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Post by: themachine300 on November 15, 2006, 09:00:53 PM
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Move left, hook it more.....
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Post by: DP3 on November 15, 2006, 09:04:45 PM
Post by: mainzer on November 15, 2006, 09:05:43 PM
I will stick with MoRich that stuff takes forever to die and they hit and carry better--------------------
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Post by: Greg T on November 15, 2006, 09:19:47 PM
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Post by: DP3 on November 15, 2006, 09:56:53 PM
Edited on 11/15/2006 10:48 PM
Post by: The SuperHitMan on November 15, 2006, 10:11:07 PM
Now DP3 wouldn't that be animal creulty?
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Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on November 15, 2006, 10:18:08 PM
Maybe we could do that for the 7-10 though. Roll it slowly to the ten and let the hampster roll left for the 7. I think Dj gave us a new idea for bowling
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Post by: Greg T on November 15, 2006, 10:39:05 PM
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I had the same experience you had Greg... And as a matter of fact, i had the same experience with the No Mercy too! They both hook set/stop/die when i throw them, no continuation at all. Not sure on your game but i believe the problem is a low rev rate. If you don't have alot of hand i think you'll be very disappointed with either of these two balls unless the down and in shot was what you were looking for, lol. If you haven't already, pick up a Black Widow, it's the ball you thought you got when you got the Angular One.
Black Widow > the Angular One and No Mercy put together!
`That aint it. My ball is still revving to beat hell as it enters the pindeck. There's no bite, not hook. It makes a very slow and deliberate curve to the pocket.
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Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on November 15, 2006, 10:42:38 PM
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Post by: DP3 on November 15, 2006, 10:51:30 PM
Post by: trogdor on November 16, 2006, 06:15:35 AM
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Post by: Greg T on November 16, 2006, 07:12:01 AM
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if you could, post a small video clip of what the angular one is doing.
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I wish I could post a vid, but my only camera is a VHS
. I'm sure that if I slowed it down it would hook, but thats not what I had in mind. I guess I could try around an 800 grit, but the deeper you go the earlier it moves. This ball was billed as long and strong but all I can get is very early and weak. Very weak. I'm certainly not blaming the ball or Ebonite because I have seen the vids. Of course, lane conditions can be laid out to make the ball reaction you want to convey. I just don't believe that Ebonite would do this. As far as the high school team goes, I'm not sure who they are and how they throw, but when my kids was on the team a few years back they leaned the proper way to bowl and played rather deep in the oil. I'm still not discounting the ball becauase i have not tried it on fresh lanes. My concern is that this reaction may happen after just a game or two of league. I actually bought this ball to be stronger than my Big One because with our conditions I normally have to play a track shot. This is not my A game. I really like to stand about 35, target 15 to about 8 and have the breakpoint at about 40 to 45 feet. Right now I am at 25 targeting 12 with my Big One. So this will give you an indication of the amount of oil we are dealing with. Basically, we have an ocean 10 to 10 and an out-of-bounds from 10 out. Length is about 40 or 41 feet. I'm not certain on that.
I did say I had another pearl ball, the Savage Flip, but that was a few years back when the pattern was different. Still, I couldnt throw it. On that iol I had great success with a V2 strong/R and the V2 power. I still have a V2 power that will knock the socks off of this Angular. The problem is it is just too early for my liking. For now, thats what I have to throw.
Smash8, I may just sell this to you. Onlt three games and been knocked down to about 1000 grit. Make me an offer and dont insult me.
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Post by: boomtown24 on November 16, 2006, 07:33:04 AM
Post by: Greg T on November 16, 2006, 07:38:43 AM
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Greg- I had the same issues with the D/T Threshold. It looks great going down the lane and then boom.... nothing. It's quite frustrating. Unfortunately I think you need to place the bomb in a stronger position. I know exactly how you feel, excited to get out on the lanes and you throw it for the first time and you feel empty as you watch it skate 55 ft.
At this point I'm lost as to which way the bomb should go. Especially when this one is drilled exactly as my orginal One was drilled. That had MASSIVE backend. I could put it closer to the thumb, but that wont make much difference. It's only about 2 3/4" away from the thumb now.
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Post by: TECH SUPPORT on November 16, 2006, 08:45:33 AM
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For me it is pin above bridge, bomb at 40*, cg is right of grip and a weight hole 4.5" right of grip center and 1" up. Taken back to 3/4 oz positive. Rolls nice, revs up good, flares really well, and lays there like an egg. But, now that I think about it, I couldnt throw a Savage flip very well either. I think the common denominator here is a pearl coverstock.
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Whats your axis,track diameter and tilt also whats your span? Maybe a long shot but im thinking that weight hole may be your nemisis here. depending on your stats you may have a flare reduceing hole inside of your pap/val. This would make the ball do what your saying rev up flare ontop of its flare rings and pretty much hit flat. Just an idea and maybe worth looking at. Take a few pieces of white thumb tape and map your flare rings and pap and see what is really going on. Look for the dark lines on the tap and see actualy how far the ball is flareing and watch the pap tape as it transitions down lane and report back on what you find.
Post by: TECH SUPPORT on November 16, 2006, 08:47:56 AM
Post by: Greg T on November 16, 2006, 09:13:56 AM
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Post by: boomtown24 on November 16, 2006, 09:33:20 AM
Post by: Greg T on November 16, 2006, 09:49:38 AM
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whats your rev rate?
I can vary it considerably. Never had a way to calculate it accurately, but I can stroke it or become a tweener. Dont like cranking and wont do it.
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Post by: TECH SUPPORT on November 16, 2006, 09:50:46 AM
Post by: boomtown24 on November 16, 2006, 09:58:10 AM
Post by: TECH SUPPORT on November 16, 2006, 10:00:18 AM
Post by: Greg T on November 16, 2006, 10:04:16 AM
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Well Greg, i guess you have enough hand to keep it revving all the way down the lane so that's not the problem. What you are describing though is exactly what i saw when i watched all the other guys throw it, NO SNAP AT ALL! I think it's working as intended for you... Do your self a favor Greg, play smart, not harder.
BLACK WIDOW = IT'S WHAT YOU WANT GREG!!!
ANGULAR ONE = FALSE ADVERTISING
It's definately revving into the pocket, and thats where I think the problem is. With my normal, comfortable ball speed it never gets the chance to grip the lane. I can vary my ball speed considerably but my comfort shot is about 18 mph. Yes, I can get the ball to hook at a much slower speed, but never is it angular. It is a slow but steady bend to the pocket. It hits like a freight train when it hits the pocket. But, the trajectory is no where near angular. As I said, I'll try some fresh lanes, and maybe even 500 grit if necessary. But so far, it is a huge disappointment. And, i wont buy another ball this season.
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Post by: Greg T on November 16, 2006, 11:47:29 AM
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The smart thing to do is sell that piece, cut your losses, and get the ball you thought you were going to get with the AO. Why make yourself suffer needlessly? All i see for you if you don't is a couple months of frustration, fighting with a ball that just doesn't live up to it's name. Come on Greg, turn that frown upside down and put the fun back in bowling, BUY THE WIDOW!!!
Well, I might, for the right price. But I wont "give it away". If I dont get a good offer on it I'll give it to ont of my kids.
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Post by: DP3 on November 16, 2006, 12:23:33 PM
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The bomb at 40 degrees with this fast spin time MB is going to make it spin up quick and hit like poo, unless you are Jason Couch. For guys that want to see big angle out of these "super asymmetrical" balls that spin up under 6 seconds, I wouldn't recommend going any father than 70deg on the MB.
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It's not that the ball is burning up, but the mass bias is spinning up to its Perferred Spin Axis so fast that it breaks tilt halfway down the lane and doesn't continue in the backend. Imagine throwing a hamster ball and hooking it to the left but the hamster inside is running and spinning the wheel inside in the opposite direction. Same type of effect. I would either try a plug and redrill and go with the MB around 75 degrees with the same pin position. Or sell it for 65% of what you paid for it and try something else.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 16, 2006, 12:28:58 PM
Post by: Greg T on November 16, 2006, 12:49:26 PM
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Post by: BackToBasics on November 16, 2006, 01:41:57 PM
I have an Angular drilled identically. We'll see how it reacts tonight.
Post by: Strapper_Squared on November 16, 2006, 01:56:32 PM
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Post by: Greg T on November 16, 2006, 02:08:01 PM
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Or... there was just massive carry down on the lanes.. Did you by chance throw any of your other equipment to "guage" the reaction? Its amazing what semi-clean backends can do for a ball reaction...
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Joe Theismann idiot quote of the week:
"Carolina's 5-4 mark gives them the third best record in the NFC"
Unfortunately, Carolina is in a four-way tie with Philadelphia, Dallas, and Atlanta for the fifth-best record.
There was a ton of carry down. That I'm sure of because I know the house and we have a flood every night. Thats why I'm waiting for next wednesday for a fresh pair. Then we'll see.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on November 16, 2006, 02:08:42 PM
REgards,
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Post by: Greg T on November 16, 2006, 02:25:59 PM
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that Jzero is a mature poster...sounds a lot like a 35 year old man at times!
35...............non-bowler.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on November 16, 2006, 02:44:14 PM
REgards,
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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..
Post by: Greg T on November 16, 2006, 02:47:37 PM
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OH! I think he is a bowler AND a golfer!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Hope he buys American built clubs. I would hate to see the business go to China!!
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on November 16, 2006, 03:03:53 PM
You would be surprised at what 1-2" with pin and MB placement will have on a ball's reaction. An Ebonite staffer here that owns his own shop, he almost ALWAYS drills the One Series stuff with the MB no farther than and inch or away from the thumb. I have yet to see a single one of these balls puke. Secondly, boomtown was off on his remark that longer pin distances "weaken" a balls reaction. Not true. It makes the ball want to push farther which tends to retain energy for bigger backend reactions. It is actually the exact opposite. Pins closer to the PAP (3 inches and under) weaken the reaction. Dont give up on the ball yet. With an 18 mph ball speed with average rev rate on ALOT of carrydown, not the best match up for that ball. You would have been best suited with an Infinite at 500 abralon.
If you were to consider plugging and redrilling the Angular, I would suggest pin up, above and slightly to the right of the ring finger (4 3/8 - 4 1/2 from PAP) top get the ball revving faster, and the cg stacked underneath. Stacked drillings tend to offer the most hook capablities and various distances down the lane (5 x 5 will go long and kick really hard, 4 3/8 stacked will give you excellent midlane and continuation at the breakpoint, 3 1/2 stacked will give you most flare potential). Just a thought to help you out and hope everything works out for you whatever to decide to do.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 16, 2006, 03:15:28 PM
Post by: Greg T on November 16, 2006, 03:23:39 PM
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Post by: boomtown24 on November 17, 2006, 02:02:42 PM
Post by: DynoLess Daddy on November 19, 2006, 06:59:08 AM
300 AO
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228.....Should have read the transition better
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Post by: Greg T on November 19, 2006, 12:47:40 PM
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Greg don't listen to em listen to me for your ball to get drilled up correctly takes someone to know your game very well and someone who can treat you right as a customer if you use your own precision of judgement that can lead you to no where I used to be that way for 2 years but for now I'm averaging close between 180 to 190 I got out of my last years slump. Also listen this is important make sure someone can video tape you to see what your ball is doing and what you are doing also.
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Post by: nd300 on November 19, 2006, 01:10:24 PM
The pro shop operator at the lanes I use drilled up a Strike Zone for a very good consistent bowler at our house.It wasn't quite finishing. After looking at the ball,they relaized that with the style of bowler,he needed the Mb to be closer to the thumb----same thing you're looking at.
Could I also respectfully suggest moving the Mb marking closer to the thumb and seeing what happens??????????/
Either way,keep us posted..................
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Post by: Greg T on November 19, 2006, 02:03:34 PM
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