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Hitsomeballs

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Complete NV, daily cleaning or lose reaction?
« on: January 10, 2008, 07:22:12 PM »
I'm a little worried about the video on the web site that says you must clean the Complete NV daily to maintain reaction?  

I clean my stuff more than most, I have a ball spinner, but even so, my wife's Total NV has lost its reaction.  My Total NV due to a bad drill (tommy jones trick layout)never sees the light of day, but still never reacts like the first set I threw with it.  Kind of make me worried about the durability.  I've had my Total NV for about a year with less than 20 games on it.  My wife has about 70-80.  

I will try rejuvinating both balls and see what happens.  But I don't think I will be getting the Complete NV until I hear more from others about its durability.

 

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Re: Complete NV, daily cleaning or lose reaction?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2008, 09:13:48 AM »
I'm not sure that I agree with you there have been plenty of post on this site about Ebonite balls dying and the people say that they do the proper cleaning to no avail. There have also been those who say that they haven't lost reaction so who really knows? I know that I don't want to spend a great deal of money on a ball that may or may not make it through 1 league season
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Re: Complete NV, daily cleaning or lose reaction?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2008, 09:19:30 AM »
Daily care helps but they need deep cleaning every so often also.  I have both a TNV and NVS the TNV has over 200 games on it and still reacts like it did when I got it.  The NVS has over 100 games on it and is still going strong.  A good hot water bath every 40 games or so and it is like brand new

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Re: Complete NV, daily cleaning or lose reaction?
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2008, 10:27:00 AM »
I've been on this BR site for almost 5 years and it seems that for whatever reason, this "ball dying" problem seems to be reported way more often with Ebonite balls than other brands. Especially over the last 2-3 years.
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Re: Complete NV, daily cleaning or lose reaction?
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2008, 10:52:22 AM »
I honestly think people wait til they get home, or the next day to clean there balls. I am the only person I ever see cleaning all my equipment other than my one teammate who I make clean his stuff cause he complains about his stuff dying. Yet, I still hear endless people in my leagues complain about ball death. As soon as I put a ball away I clean it. Since I started this all my balls act as strong as they did when I bought them. And after 100 games I might need to give them a hot water bath so the drive a little harder other than that everything is fine with my ball reactions. I used to clean my stuff bout 75% of the time which I would consider a fair amount and it still cause ball death (especially with Storm equipment). I have learned and it requires 100% dedication if you don't want your equipment to "DIE".

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Re: Complete NV, daily cleaning or lose reaction?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2008, 10:53:34 AM »
While they do mention daily cleaning on the video, I took that as "clean every day you bowl" not clean every day.  And in addition to the recommended regular cleaning, Ebonite also has a maintenance guide PDF that explains when to do deeper cleanings and resurfacings - nice little document.

I think the last two or three years has been the life frame of the One series, where they really pushed the technical concept of "absorption rates".  With the more advanced balls come responsibility to maintain or they will absorb too much oil and wear out or die.  With the NV line, they've backed off the ever-increasing absorption rates in lieu of sub-moleculer traction, but they still soak up the oil - which helps in performance.

Someone once compared it to performance tires.  You can get really good ones with great treads or whatever, but as you take advantage of that traction, they wear out.  You could get more durable tires, but they won't perform as well.  I know it's not a perfect comparison.  But I'm OK knowing that if I want the performance from a high end ball, I'll either have to be diligent with maintenance or replace it more often.

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Re: Complete NV, daily cleaning or lose reaction?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2008, 11:24:32 AM »
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After every 30 games do a small resurface, after every 60 do a bigger resurface and after every 100 do a Hook Again Treatment.


I don't own any Ebonite balls due to both a personal problem with Ebonite and all of the problems with Ebonite balls as reported on this site. However, I do clean my balls very religiously after every set at the lanes and also with Clean & Dull every 15 games or so. I've followed this procedure with Legends/Lanemaster, Brunswick, Lane 1, Track, and Storm balls and have never suffered any ball death or loss of reaction with balls from these companies and I didn't have to do a minor resurface after 30 games as stated by chris-m. If Ebonite balls need that much TLC, then people should throw balls from other companies other than Ebonite as the other companies balls are more durable and long lasting.
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Re: Complete NV, daily cleaning or lose reaction?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2008, 04:43:38 PM »
Chris M when you went to the seminar, did you get your complete nv there? I'm going later this month to one, but the paperwork said that no one would receive them until the world release. Any good deals at the seminar? Was it very informative?

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Re: Complete NV, daily cleaning or lose reaction?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2008, 05:11:05 PM »
Bowling balls are like sponges, if they soak up too much oil they lose their effect until you ring them out.  Once you ring them out, they are as good as new
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Re: Complete NV, daily cleaning or lose reaction?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2008, 05:49:58 PM »
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Bowling balls are like sponges, if they soak up too much oil they lose their effect until you ring them out.  Once you ring them out, they are as good as new
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Re: Complete NV, daily cleaning or lose reaction?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2008, 09:24:56 PM »
Never really experience real ball death.  My oldest balls (aside from the pair I was born with... LOL!!) are about 2500 games on the average.  They have lost about 25% of their motion max; some are less.  However, we don't know how much of this is due to the current oils coming out, and how much is due to coverstock deterioration.

For sure there will be loss of performance after time.  But ball death??  I really doubt it.

I usually wipe my ball before each shot with a towel damp with energizer cleaner.  Recently, didn't have to do the hot water bath anymore.  I guess, the trick is to catch the oil before it gets in.  Guess the old saying "prevention is better than is cure ..."  also applies to ball care..

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