Author Topic: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made (Read 11378 times)

Hand of God · « **on:** March 22, 2007, 08:03:50 PM »

I have been questioning around about ebonite, and i hear daily how there balls start to loose reaction becaue the coverstock is soaking up vast amounts of oil in order to make contact with the lane, thus creating friction and traction, yet at the expense of the balls longevity.

Ebonite, though there balls are great for a few weeks, have a seriosus problem.

Now take Lanemasters and Legends... now those are great balls... I have talked to many people with balls with over 700 to 800 games... I have 500 on mine at least, and they just get better and better..

Lanemaster and Legends uses Grade A resin.. 11 lbs of it in each ball... while ebonites coverstock is 1/2 inch deep.... that is why the oil loads up...in ebonite shells and most other manufactures..

If you want longevity, awsome energy transfer and energy retention, aswell as unmatched hitting power and carry... Try a Lane Masters Big Bang.. Black Pearl, Terminator.. and for dry dry lanes.. try a Hornet.. then come back and post your results after you compare ball death with ebonites, sad sad coverstocks,,,,
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Eddie M · « **Reply #16 on:** March 24, 2007, 02:36:01 PM »

Bowling balls do die. Anyone who denies that is living in a dream world.

From the vast number of people who complain about Ebonite balls dying faster, I would agree there is something to the hype. I personally hate particle covers, because I have bought 3 balls with them, and all 3 were dead quickly. And when I say dead, I mean going from hooking 30 boards, to barely out-hooking my spare ball.

Now it is true if you wipe your ball between every shot, and clean it after every set, the ball will last longer. But if is also true, that alot of balls don't need constant care to maintain the cover. I have used a Storm Lightning Flash for almost 7 years now. In that time, I have cleaned the ball maybe 10 times at most. The ball rolls as good today as when I bought it. Can the same be said for one of Ebonites current high end covers?

monstercrank · « **Reply #17 on:** March 24, 2007, 02:41:06 PM »

And the most useless topic of the year goes to............this one.
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Greg T · « **Reply #18 on:** March 24, 2007, 08:06:52 PM »

It also gets old listening to "wipe it off between every shot, clean after every set, deep clean it once a month, soak it, blah blah blah". Don't you think people know enough to care for their equipment? I use Ebo. I love Ebo. But their covers suck ditch juice.

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DanR · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2007, 10:35:24 PM »

Who cares if a ball lasts 1 year or 3 years. The new balls flat out perform better than any other brand period. How many of us drill more than 2 balls per year? I have not noticed much difference in performance and I have over 200 games on each ball.
If you believe Ebonite balls die quickly, DO NOT USE THEM

strikestriketapped · « **Reply #20 on:** March 24, 2007, 10:57:57 PM »

I've never owned an Ebonite bowling ball, but I have owned bowling balls from other major companies. None of the bowling balls I have ever owned have died on me. ALL balls will lose reatction as more games are put on, but I personally do not think that any bowling ball will flat out die unless it was a lemon. I think many people use bowling balls on the wrong conditions and if the ball burns up or there is just too much oil, the person says the ball has lost it's hook. I'm not saying this is the case with everyone, but it could definately be the case for many.
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BrunsMike · « **Reply #21 on:** March 24, 2007, 11:00:36 PM »

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Ebonite's covers do die faster than anyone elses. People who say otherwise are in denial. My only problem with going with LM/L is that their cores look like they were designed 10 years ago. Anyone like how they hit? Ebonite has definately lost quality compared to balls of the past 5-10 years.

I actually can not stand L/LM. I had a World Class Reactive. That ball for me went straighter then my plastic ball ever could!! So thats what I used it for 10 pins for about 2 weeks then a guy bowling with me in practice saw it and what i used it for asked to use it, he hooked it huge yet for me with my 250+ revs couldnt get it to wrinkle a board. L/LM to me is trash and I will never try another one.

As for ebonite losing their reaction, they have not for me. When I owned The One, The Big One, The Infinate One they never got cleaned after any set of bowling. I had 200+ games on The One still hooked strong as the day I got it. Sold it for $80 (paid $60 for it) and now the current owner is still using it since the start of the fall bowling season, and he bowls 4 nights a week!! Still no loss in performance. So saying ebonite balls lose reaction or "DIE" is blowing smoke up everyone elses butt. I think its just some rumor that was started from some diehard ebonite hater to try and persway others to look at a more expensive product which isnt any better then any other brand on the market.

Btw, my The Big One is going strong with another user on this forum and my Infinate One just past its 1000 game mark by my good friend who keeps track of all his bowling with every ball he has. Actually has a ball log book for each ball.
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mainzer · « **Reply #22 on:** March 25, 2007, 12:16:12 AM »

Hand of god, I only read the Topic of this and I will agree with you Ebonite covers are JUNK and you can't convince me otherwise, I use MoRich and have never had a problem with a ball dying that bought NIB even my WMB hooked like made even after a couple hundred games. I know Legends and Lanemasters make great gear like that to. As far as Ebonite goes they can take it and throw their crap in the river!
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BrunsMike · « **Reply #23 on:** March 25, 2007, 12:21:49 AM »

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Hand of god, I only read the Topic of this and I will agree with you Ebonite covers are JUNK and you can't convince me otherwise, I use MoRich and have never had a problem with a ball dying that bought NIB even my WMB hooked like made even after a couple hundred games. I know Legends and Lanemasters make great gear like that to. As far as Ebonite goes they can take it and throw their crap in the river!
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Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
Winter season averages at Sunset Lanes in Waukegan IL.
Wed. Nite Ave: 200
Thur. Nite Ave: 217
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Eddie M · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:55:29 AM »

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Still no loss in performance. So saying ebonite balls lose reaction or "DIE" is blowing smoke up everyone elses butt.

No offense, but just because your personally had a ball that didn't die, doesn't make it so in all cases. Ebonite is the biggest ball manufacturer at the moment, so of course they are going to be the target of choice for alot of people.

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With normal maintenance you'll get about as much life out of them as anyone wants out of a ball anymore, anyway.

When I buy a ball, I expect it to last forever. FOREVER DAMMIT!!! For $200, I expect to be able to use a ball for a few seasons. If a ball doesn't last 500 games minimum, I feel cheated.

Slopsurprise · « **Reply #25 on:** March 25, 2007, 09:20:12 AM »

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It also gets old listening to "wipe it off between every shot, clean after every set, deep clean it once a month, soak it, blah blah blah". Don't you think people know enough to care for their equipment? I use Ebo. I love Ebo. But their covers suck ditch juice.

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Edited on 3/24/2007 8:06 PM

Yup! Their covers are the best when the ball is new but, the worst with 50-100 games on them. The people that say, "it still hooks like new with 400 games on it" are probally people that roll on a THS with tons of friction everywhere on it.

Slopsurprise · « **Reply #26 on:** March 25, 2007, 09:26:32 AM »

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So saying ebonite balls lose reaction or "DIE" is blowing smoke up everyone elses butt. I think its just some rumor that was started from some diehard ebonite hater to try and persway others to look at a more expensive product which isnt any better then any other brand on the market.
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Mike Zadler
Using the best brand in the nation, BRUNSWICK!!!
Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
Winter season averages at Sunset Lanes in Waukegan IL.
Wed. Nite Ave: 200
Thur. Nite Ave: 217
http://www.BrunsNick.com

I can assure you that I do not have an agenda. I post what I personally see. Maybe like I posted before, "possibly ebonite covers dont like certain conditioners"?? All I know, is they are not worth a dman after 50 games around here. I have no reason to BS anyone and personally I wish their reaction held up alot better becasue Ebonite matches up to me VERY well.

Juggernaut · « **Reply #27 on:** March 25, 2007, 12:28:06 PM »

Maybe I am missing the point here, but what is all the complaining about?

If you bowl a 36 week league, 36 x 3 = 108 games. A lot of the posts are complaining about balls dyeing after "only 400-500" games. If you bowl 10 games a week practice plus your league that is still only 360 + 108 = 468 a year.

Most of the bowlers competing at the higher levels are going to have several balls and will not be using the same one all the time, so this would only add to the longevity of a balls life. And usually bowlers at this level are used to having balls performance levels drop and are readily replacing older stock balls with newer ones anyway.

If you are just a league bowler, you probably don't bowl 10 practice games a week ( on average ), so your ball should last at least 1 season, perhaps even 2 seasons.

Any bowlers really expecting a ball to last "forever" probably don't know enough about the game or proper technique to know when, or if, a balls performance level has dropped, and likely would not care anyways.

Be honest. How many of you are going to be using the same ball you have now in 5 years? or even 2 years?

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Eddie M · « **Reply #28 on:** March 25, 2007, 01:17:43 PM »

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Any bowlers really expecting a ball to last "forever" probably don't know enough about the game or proper technique to know when, or if, a balls performance level has dropped, and likely would not care anyways.

For the amount of money we pay for a new ball these days, someone should fully expect to get at least a solid year out of a new ball. And by year, I mean 1 full summer league, 1 full fall league, any tournaments, and practice. Perhaps some people like buying 4 or 5 new balls every year, but many people don't have an extra $1k laying around to do that.

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Be honest. How many of you are going to be using the same ball you have now in 5 years? or even 2 years?

I fully expect to buy a ball, and have that ball last until I no longer want to use it anymore... be that 10 games or 200 games. To be forced out of a ball, because the ball dies, well that just that sucks. That is like a ball company saying "Hey, come give me more money... you might get a better ball next time."

DynoLess Daddy · « **Reply #29 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:46:15 PM »

Good point. I haven't had ball death with my any of my abonite balls. Too many factors to considered before you should even rule it ball death.....

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Lillen · « **Reply #30 on:** March 25, 2007, 04:17:19 PM »

Not to hi-jack thread but:

quote - "For the amount of money we pay for a new ball these days, someone should fully expect to get at least a solid year out of a new ball."

You pay somewhere around half the price we europeans have to pay..

A new Total NV cost $400 here in Sweden (drilled)

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