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Title: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Hand of God on March 22, 2007, 08:03:50 PM
I have been questioning around about ebonite, and i hear daily how there balls start to loose reaction becaue the coverstock is soaking up vast amounts of oil in order to make contact with the lane, thus creating friction and traction, yet at the expense of the balls longevity.

Ebonite, though there balls are great for a few weeks, have a seriosus problem.

Now take Lanemasters and Legends... now those are great balls... I have talked to many people with balls with over 700 to 800 games... I have 500 on mine at least, and they just get better and better..

Lanemaster and Legends uses Grade A resin.. 11 lbs of it in each ball... while ebonites coverstock is 1/2 inch deep.... that is why the oil loads up...in ebonite shells and most other manufactures..

If you want longevity, awsome energy transfer and energy retention, aswell as unmatched hitting power and carry...  Try a Lane Masters Big Bang.. Black Pearl, Terminator.. and for dry dry lanes.. try a Hornet.. then come back and post your results after you compare ball death with ebonites, sad sad coverstocks,,,,
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: CoachJim on March 23, 2007, 05:27:08 AM
So throw Lane Masters then, who cares what you throw.
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: thetruepack on March 23, 2007, 06:54:37 AM
its true ebonite makes balls that don't last long. but they are so good. that is y they sell so much. people buy the balls, they fall in love with the balls, they die after 5 months, but because the ball was so good people go and buy another one. if you can afford to use ebonite then i recommend it cause personally they make the best balls out of box. but if you want something for the long run then go elsewhere
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: dizzyfugu on March 23, 2007, 07:02:35 AM
The almost perverse reality is that a ball does not have to last longer than half a year. It will then be replaced by the next, better hooking thing that gets hyped and noone will whine about an oil-soaked ball from the past...
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: shotmaker on March 23, 2007, 09:01:28 AM
It's funny you should mention E's balls dieing. I have a 3 year old V2 Clean that I use quite often that reacts better than when it was new. Yesterday my heavily used "The One" was wrecking racks so bad in a practice session that onlookers had to come down and find out what I was using. My One has a ton of games on it, I just have it cleaned and polished with Ebonite Polish once in a while and it's good as new.

I just don't see 'em dieing like some of you.
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: chrisleftwich on March 23, 2007, 09:09:52 AM
I have a ebonite Tomahawk Xplosion and that ball probably has well over 600 games and that ball still reacts just as good and still out hooks plenty of my newer stuff, i have never even given this ball a hot water bath, just track clean and dull.
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Xfest on March 23, 2007, 09:56:43 AM
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It's funny you should mention E's balls dieing. I have a 3 year old V2 Clean that I use quite often that reacts better than when it was new. Yesterday my heavily used "The One" was wrecking racks so bad in a practice session that onlookers had to come down and find out what I was using. My One has a ton of games on it, I just have it cleaned and polished with Ebonite Polish once in a while and it's good as new.

I just don't see 'em dieing like some of you.


Word. I know folks with 400+ games on ones and total nv's, and still holding strong.
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: bragbowlin on March 23, 2007, 11:02:53 AM
I don't have this problem I personally like ebonite balls aslong as you keep them maintained. have a black ice with more than 1000 games and it still kills works great. i have a angular one which is fairly new about 100 games and its good for me. I don't know maybe some people don't know how to handle these balls I prefer them over anything else.

Edited on 3/23/2007 11:04 AM
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: ScottieG on March 23, 2007, 11:09:54 AM
My SmashTime Pearl has 200+ games on it and still reacts like new.
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: chitown on March 23, 2007, 12:21:17 PM
If a bowler would take care of there equipment this so called ball death wouldn't occur.

I have several Hammer bowling balls and they seem to hold up good.  I take care of my equipment so they will last a long time.

Lanemaster does have some good equipment.  I'm impressed by there lines.  I have a friend that has several lanemaster balls and each one reacts really good and hit's very well.

Every single bowling ball made is going to loose a little of it's out of box reaction.  There's nothing that can be done to stop this from happening.  This will happen to lanemaster balls as well.


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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Fatboy8 on March 24, 2007, 09:40:54 AM
I've lost track of how many games are on my Overtime. It still reacts as strong as before.

I've never had a ball die on me. If you clean your stuff after every use, it won't "die". Take care of your stuff and it'll take care of you.
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Greg T on March 24, 2007, 09:57:40 AM
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I've lost track of how many games are on my Overtime. It still reacts as strong as before.

I've never had a ball die on me. If you clean your stuff after every use, it won't "die". Take care of your stuff and it'll take care of you.
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  You're blowing smoke. Either you dont enough enough hand to hook the ball so play a track shot or the twig, or you have 10,000 revs and can hook a plastic. Ebonites covers suck, period. I've owned at least a hundred and so far the best ball for longevity has been my V2 power. I have an AO that had 50+ games that is useless. Don't EVEN give me the cleaning/rejuvenating crap.
                       

                                         



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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: chitown on March 24, 2007, 10:12:52 AM
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 You're blowing smoke. Either you dont enough enough hand to hook the ball so play a track shot or the twig, or you have 10,000 revs and can hook a plastic. Ebonites covers suck, period. I've owned at least a hundred and so far the best ball for longevity has been my V2 power. I have an AO that had 50+ games that is useless. Don't EVEN give me the cleaning/rejuvenating crap.





I totally disagree with the above.  I had an angular one and it's cover held up fine.  I had well over 50 games on mine.

Ebonite makes the Hammer covers and those have been great.  Everyone of my Hammer bowling balls held up great.  I put a ton of games on my PAIN and DOOM and have not seen a loss in reaction at all aisde from the break in period.

Every bowling ball will loose a little bit of it's OOB reaction.  That's every ball from every ball maker.
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Fatboy8 on March 24, 2007, 11:15:42 AM
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I've lost track of how many games are on my Overtime. It still reacts as strong as before.

I've never had a ball die on me. If you clean your stuff after every use, it won't "die". Take care of your stuff and it'll take care of you.
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  You're blowing smoke. Either you dont enough enough hand to hook the ball so play a track shot or the twig, or you have 10,000 revs and can hook a plastic. Ebonites covers suck, period. I've owned at least a hundred and so far the best ball for longevity has been my V2 power. I have an AO that had 50+ games that is useless. Don't EVEN give me the cleaning/rejuvenating crap.
                       

                                         



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Uhh, O.K. whatever.

Let's be real here. If you clean your stuff like you should, it doesn't let all the oil, dirt, grime, etc. time to really soak in. If my Ebonite's died on me, and they soaked it up, and lost performance, why would I still buy them????
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Fatboy8 on March 24, 2007, 11:45:41 AM
People just kill me. If someone has good luck with their covers, they don't wear out and die, why doesn't someone believe them? I have no reason to lie, since I'm not on staff or have any affiliation to them even.

I'm not saying them won't die out, wear out, etc. I'm saying I've NEVER had one do it on me. Cleaning ANY/ANY BRAND ball, soaking/heating/whatever you're preference, will keep a ball going strong for a long time.
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Eddie M on March 24, 2007, 02:36:01 PM
Bowling balls do die.  Anyone who denies that is living in a dream world.  

From the vast number of people who complain about Ebonite balls dying faster, I would agree there is something to the hype.  I personally hate particle covers, because I have bought 3 balls with them, and all 3 were dead quickly.  And when I say dead, I mean going from hooking 30 boards, to barely out-hooking my spare ball.

Now it is true if you wipe your ball between every shot, and clean it after every set, the ball will last longer.  But if is also true, that alot of balls don't need constant care to maintain the cover.  I have used a Storm Lightning Flash for  almost 7 years now.  In that time, I have cleaned the ball maybe 10 times at most.  The ball rolls as good today as when I bought it.  Can the same be said for one of Ebonites current high end covers?
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: monstercrank on March 24, 2007, 02:41:06 PM
And the most useless topic of the year goes to............this one.
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Greg T on March 24, 2007, 08:06:52 PM

  It also gets old listening to "wipe it off between every shot, clean after every set, deep clean it once a month, soak it, blah blah blah". Don't you think people know enough to care for their equipment? I use Ebo. I love Ebo. But their covers suck ditch juice.






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Edited on 3/24/2007 8:06 PM
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: DanR on March 24, 2007, 10:35:24 PM
Who cares if a ball lasts 1 year or 3 years.  The new balls flat out perform better than any other brand period.  How many of us drill more than 2 balls per year?  I have not noticed much difference in performance and I have over 200 games on each ball.
If you believe Ebonite balls die quickly, DO NOT USE THEM
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: strikestriketapped on March 24, 2007, 10:57:57 PM
I've never owned an Ebonite bowling ball, but I have owned bowling balls from other major companies. None of the bowling balls I have ever owned have died on me. ALL balls will lose reatction as more games are put on, but I personally do not think that any bowling ball will flat out die unless it was a lemon. I think many people use bowling balls on the wrong conditions and if the ball burns up or there is just too much oil, the person says the ball has lost it's hook. I'm not saying this is the case with everyone, but it could definately be the case for many.
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: BrunsMike on March 24, 2007, 11:00:36 PM
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Ebonite's covers do die faster than anyone elses.  People who say otherwise are in denial.  My only problem with going with LM/L is that their cores look like they were designed 10 years ago.  Anyone like how they hit?    Ebonite has definately lost quality compared to balls of the past 5-10 years.


I actually can not stand L/LM. I had a World Class Reactive. That ball for me went straighter then my plastic ball ever could!! So thats what I used it for 10 pins for about 2 weeks then a guy bowling with me in practice saw it and what i used it for asked to use it, he hooked it huge yet for me with my 250+ revs couldnt get it to wrinkle a board. L/LM to me is trash and I will never try another one.

As for ebonite losing their reaction, they have not for me. When I owned The One, The Big One, The Infinate One they never got cleaned after any set of bowling. I had 200+ games on The One still hooked strong as the day I got it. Sold it for $80 (paid $60 for it) and now the current owner is still using it since the start of the fall bowling season, and he bowls 4 nights a week!! Still no loss in performance. So saying ebonite balls lose reaction or "DIE" is blowing smoke up everyone elses butt. I think its just some rumor that was started from some diehard ebonite hater to try and persway others to look at a more expensive product which isnt any better then any other brand on the market.

Btw, my The Big One is going strong with another user on this forum and my Infinate One just past its 1000 game mark by my good friend who keeps track of all his bowling with every ball he has. Actually has a ball log book for each ball.
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: mainzer on March 25, 2007, 12:16:12 AM
Hand of god, I only read the Topic of this and I will agree with you Ebonite covers are JUNK and you can't convince me otherwise, I use MoRich and have never had a problem with a ball dying that bought NIB even my WMB hooked like made even after a couple hundred games. I know Legends and Lanemasters make great gear like that to. As far as Ebonite goes they can take it and throw their crap in the river!
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: BrunsMike on March 25, 2007, 12:21:49 AM
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Hand of god, I only read the Topic of this and I will agree with you Ebonite covers are JUNK and you can't convince me otherwise, I use MoRich and have never had a problem with a ball dying that bought NIB even my WMB hooked like made even after a couple hundred games. I know Legends and Lanemasters make great gear like that to. As far as Ebonite goes they can take it and throw their crap in the river!
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Winter season averages at Sunset Lanes in Waukegan IL.
Wed. Nite Ave: 200
Thur. Nite Ave: 217
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Eddie M on March 25, 2007, 03:55:29 AM
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Still no loss in performance. So saying ebonite balls lose reaction or "DIE" is blowing smoke up everyone elses butt.


No offense, but just because your personally had a ball that didn't die, doesn't make it so in all cases.  Ebonite is the biggest ball manufacturer at the moment, so of course they are going to be the target of choice for alot of people.


 
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With normal maintenance you'll get about as much life out of them as anyone wants out of a ball anymore, anyway.


When I buy a ball, I expect it to last forever.  FOREVER DAMMIT!!! For $200, I expect to be able to use a ball for a few seasons.  If a ball doesn't last 500 games minimum, I feel cheated.  
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Slopsurprise on March 25, 2007, 09:20:12 AM
quote:

  It also gets old listening to "wipe it off between every shot, clean after every set, deep clean it once a month, soak it, blah blah blah". Don't you think people know enough to care for their equipment? I use Ebo. I love Ebo. But their covers suck ditch juice.






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Edited on 3/24/2007 8:06 PM

Yup! Their covers are the best when the ball is new but, the worst with 50-100 games on them. The people that say, "it still hooks like new with 400 games on it" are probally people that roll on a THS with tons of friction everywhere on it.
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Slopsurprise on March 25, 2007, 09:26:32 AM
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So saying ebonite balls lose reaction or "DIE" is blowing smoke up everyone elses butt. I think its just some rumor that was started from some diehard ebonite hater to try and persway others to look at a more expensive product which isnt any better then any other brand on the market.
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http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
Winter season averages at Sunset Lanes in Waukegan IL.
Wed. Nite Ave: 200
Thur. Nite Ave: 217
http://www.BrunsNick.com



I can assure you that I do not have an agenda. I post what I personally see. Maybe like I posted before, "possibly ebonite covers dont like certain conditioners"?? All I know, is they are not worth a dman after 50 games around here. I have no reason to BS anyone and personally I wish their reaction held up alot better becasue Ebonite matches up to me VERY well.
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Juggernaut on March 25, 2007, 12:28:06 PM
Maybe I am missing the point here, but what is all the complaining about?

  If you bowl a 36 week league, 36 x 3 = 108 games.  A lot of the posts are complaining about balls dyeing after "only 400-500" games. If you bowl 10 games a week practice plus your league that is still only 360 + 108 = 468 a year.

  Most of the bowlers competing at the higher levels are going to have several balls and will not be using the same one all the time, so this would only add to the longevity of a balls life. And usually bowlers at this level are used to having balls performance levels drop and are readily replacing older stock balls with newer ones anyway.

  If you are just a league bowler, you probably don't bowl 10 practice games a week ( on average ), so your ball should last at least 1 season, perhaps even 2 seasons.

  Any bowlers really expecting a ball to last "forever" probably don't know enough about the game or proper technique to know when, or if, a balls performance level has dropped, and likely would not care anyways.

  Be honest.  How many of you are going to be using the same ball you have now in 5 years? or even 2 years?


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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Eddie M on March 25, 2007, 01:17:43 PM
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Any bowlers really expecting a ball to last "forever" probably don't know enough about the game or proper technique to know when, or if, a balls performance level has dropped, and likely would not care anyways.


 For the amount of money we pay for a new ball these days, someone should fully expect to get at least a solid year out of a new ball.  And by year, I mean 1 full summer league, 1 full fall league, any tournaments, and practice.  Perhaps some people like buying 4 or 5 new balls every year, but many people don't have an extra $1k laying around to do that.



 
quote:
Be honest. How many of you are going to be using the same ball you have now in 5 years? or even 2 years?


I fully expect to buy a ball, and have that ball last until I no longer want to use it anymore... be that 10 games or 200 games.  To be forced out of a ball, because the ball dies, well that just that sucks.  That is like a ball company saying "Hey, come give me more money... you might get a better ball next time."
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: DynoLess Daddy on March 25, 2007, 03:46:15 PM
Good point. I haven't had ball death with my any of my abonite balls. Too many factors to considered before you should even rule it ball death.....

How many bowlers really take care of their equipment?
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Lillen on March 25, 2007, 04:17:19 PM
Not to hi-jack thread but:

quote - "For the amount of money we pay for a new ball these days, someone should fully expect to get at least a solid year out of a new ball."

You pay somewhere around half the price we europeans have to pay..

A new Total NV cost $400 here in Sweden (drilled)  

Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Eddie M on March 25, 2007, 04:32:52 PM
quote:
Not to hi-jack thread but:

quote - "For the amount of money we pay for a new ball these days, someone should fully expect to get at least a solid year out of a new ball."

You pay somewhere around half the price we europeans have to pay..

A new Total NV cost $400 here in Sweden (drilled)  




So you should care about getting quality for your money twice as much as people in the USA do.
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: NateNice on March 25, 2007, 09:48:31 PM
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Hand of god, I only read the Topic of this and I will agree with you Ebonite covers are JUNK and you can't convince me otherwise, I use MoRich and have never had a problem with a ball dying that bought NIB even my WMB hooked like made even after a couple hundred games. I know Legends and Lanemasters make great gear like that to. As far as Ebonite goes they can take it and throw their crap in the river!
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Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
Winter season averages at Sunset Lanes in Waukegan IL.
Wed. Nite Ave: 200
Thur. Nite Ave: 217
http://www.BrunsNick.com



Brunswick balls have always been known for their long lifespans.  

I've heard this about Ebonite (they don't last long) from various places but having never owned one I can't comment.  But there is the rumor out there.
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: MrLS6chevelle on March 26, 2007, 08:14:02 PM
blah blag blah...I just shot another 300 with my years old Vortex III. It still hooks the same amount it did when it was new. One of my favorite balls.
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Djarum on March 26, 2007, 10:11:19 PM
I hate to be real synical or mean here, but you are the suckers that buy them. I don't ever think there will be a ball that won't absorb oil and never die. Or not absorb oil and hook.

I think there are medium line balls that hook just as much as the expensive ones, and last just as long.

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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: chitown on March 26, 2007, 10:30:39 PM
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I hate to be real synical or mean here, but you are the suckers that buy them. I don't ever think there will be a ball that won't absorb oil and never die. Or not absorb oil and hook.

I think there are medium line balls that hook just as much as the expensive ones, and last just as long.

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Great reply!  Hell yes!  All bowling balls absorb oil!  Every bowling ball made will loose a little bit of it's out of box reaction.  

If someone says that Ebonites covers don't last 50 games then there making themselves sound stupid!  I'm sorry but that's what it sounds like!  I have bought a lot of bowling balls overe the last 4 seasons.  I have bought balls from 4 different ball makers.  I have not seen one ball loose much reaction at the 50 game mark.  I had an angular one.  That ball had way over 50 games on it and still hooked a ton on the back end.  I traded it in because it was too strong on the back end for my needs.

This post is filled with a ton of ignorant statements.  Ball cover dies after 50 games HAHAHAHA!  Ya Right!

If you don't like Ebonites equipment then don't buy.  Why sit on here and keep complaining.
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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Eddie M on March 26, 2007, 10:40:08 PM
quote:

This post is filled with a ton of ignorant statements.  Ball cover dies after 50 games HAHAHAHA!  Ya Right!



"it never happened to me, so it must never happen to anyone"... yet another ignorant statement to add to the rest.  

Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: chitown on March 26, 2007, 11:49:11 PM
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I don't put a lot of hand on the ball, but also don't put a ton of speed on either.  I never have had a ball *die* on me.  It may lose some of its reaction but never had a ball go from 25 boards hooking to straight, maybe just 25-20, and thats with just cleaning it after every set, never giving it a deep soak.
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Same here!  I know several bowlers on here have said that there high performance ball went from hooking to going straighter than a plastic ball.  I guess if that happened to me I would be ticked off.

I have bought a lot of bowling balls over the years.  I'm 36 years old and have been bowling for a long time.  I have never seen anyones high end bowling ball stop hooking all together.


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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: agroves on March 26, 2007, 11:58:10 PM
Strictly from an outside standpoint, since I haven't thrown an E ball in quite a few years(the apex intensity was the last).  I think they HAD a problem with rapid oil saturation that they've fixed.  I see lots of E in my area and the Total NV and Infinite One are all over the place.

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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: agroves on March 27, 2007, 12:01:24 AM
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Any bowlers really expecting a ball to last "forever" probably don't know enough about the game or proper technique to know when, or if, a balls performance level has dropped, and likely would not care anyways.


 For the amount of money we pay for a new ball these days, someone should fully expect to get at least a solid year out of a new ball.  And by year, I mean 1 full summer league, 1 full fall league, any tournaments, and practice.  Perhaps some people like buying 4 or 5 new balls every year, but many people don't have an extra $1k laying around to do that.


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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Djarum on March 27, 2007, 08:38:43 AM
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I hate to be real synical or mean here, but you are the suckers that buy them. I don't ever think there will be a ball that won't absorb oil and never die. Or not absorb oil and hook.

I think there are medium line balls that hook just as much as the expensive ones, and last just as long.

Dj
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Great reply!  Hell yes!  All bowling balls absorb oil!  Every bowling ball made will loose a little bit of it's out of box reaction.  

If someone says that Ebonites covers don't last 50 games then there making themselves sound stupid!  I'm sorry but that's what it sounds like!  I have bought a lot of bowling balls overe the last 4 seasons.  I have bought balls from 4 different ball makers.  I have not seen one ball loose much reaction at the 50 game mark.  I had an angular one.  That ball had way over 50 games on it and still hooked a ton on the back end.  I traded it in because it was too strong on the back end for my needs.

This post is filled with a ton of ignorant statements.  Ball cover dies after 50 games HAHAHAHA!  Ya Right!

If you don't like Ebonites equipment then don't buy.  Why sit on here and keep complaining.
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Chitown,

That was only one of my points. The second point was that the consumers are the ones dupeing themselves for buying the equipment.

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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Graaille on March 28, 2007, 08:09:30 PM
Well, all I can say is that after 17 years, my Ebonite Gyro can still hook around 5 boards.  Maybe not much more than that, but it still gets its 5.

But now, it has been demoted to being my spare ball.  Aaah well.


And before anyone gets excited about an Ebonite ball lasting 17 years, 10 of those were in a bag in storage.
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: 802dave on March 29, 2007, 06:32:04 AM
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Maybe I am missing the point here, but what is all the complaining about?

  If you bowl a 36 week league, 36 x 3 = 108 games.  A lot of the posts are complaining about balls dyeing after "only 400-500" games. If you bowl 10 games a week practice plus your league that is still only 360 + 108 = 468 a year.

  Most of the bowlers competing at the higher levels are going to have several balls and will not be using the same one all the time, so this would only add to the longevity of a balls life. And usually bowlers at this level are used to having balls performance levels drop and are readily replacing older stock balls with newer ones anyway.

  If you are just a league bowler, you probably don't bowl 10 practice games a week ( on average ), so your ball should last at least 1 season, perhaps even 2 seasons.

  Any bowlers really expecting a ball to last "forever" probably don't know enough about the game or proper technique to know when, or if, a balls performance level has dropped, and likely would not care anyways.

  Be honest.  How many of you are going to be using the same ball you have now in 5 years? or even 2 years?


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I use a Dyno-thane Pure Energy - it has several hundred games on it; it hasn't lost much, if any, reaction; I simply clean it after every set.

I also use a 10-year old Hammer 3D Superhook; needless to say it has thousands of games on it; it still reacts almost like new.  I also use a 12-year old Columbia Aftershock which is just now acting like it's dead.

My most recent acquisitions: two One's and an Infinite One.  The One's have required more cleanings, hot-water soaks, screenings/sandings, etc than any other balls I have ever owned to get close to the reaction I got when they were new.

If you are diligent on cover maintenance, you can maintain close to oob reaction.  I think I'd rather use another company's balls in the future though!

Edited on 3/29/2007 6:34 AM
Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: Hand of God on April 01, 2007, 01:04:39 AM
Ebonite knows there coverstocks die fast..... Lane Masters and Legends.... never seen or heard of even one ball dying... becuase of the amount and quality of resin used... i have 5 different balls... by Lm&L.. and everyone on the Lm&L section agrees...  Ebonite is just trying to win big on the tour, so you buy there balls... sure they got great stuff, but it don't last at all... 50 games and there balls loose reaction..

total VC .. the ONE .. all of those new ones with agressive oil absoption ratings

Sorry but if u drop 200 dollars on a ball.. you should get 500-1000 games on it
and not have to get the oil out of the coverstock every 30 games..

that is just sad

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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: SteveAustin2808 on April 01, 2007, 11:25:48 AM
HEY HoG and other BR members!

I'm currently doing an experiment on The One as I stated previously in another thread. So far this ball has 15 games on it and things are fine! Will have an update and am taking video shots of the ball as of 10/25/50/75/100 games on it too as well! Will let you know the conclusion of my experiment...until then, God Bless You All and have a great week!

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Title: Re: Ebonite balls die faster than any ball ever made
Post by: JMORRIS on April 01, 2007, 11:47:43 AM
I've yet to have a problem with any of these balls:

Total NV
Raw Hammer Toxic
Hammer Black Widow

Actually, a little coverstock death might make them fit my game a little better!