Author Topic: Game On Sanding Grit (Read 5600 times)

Brickguy221 · « **on:** March 28, 2011, 07:46:20 AM »

What is the base sanding grit before polish is applied to the Game On?

Can anyone help me here???

Thanks in advance....

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charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** March 28, 2011, 04:48:32 PM »

"Factory Finish: 800, 800 Abranet, 1000, 1000 Abralon, Polished"

from

http://www.ballreviews.com/bowlingballreviews/ebonite/game_on/1108/0/1/ballreviews.aspx

I believe the BTM review said the same finish.

BowlingBallVault has similar: 1000 Abralon + polish

http://www.bowlingballvault.com/companies/9-ebonite/1474-game-on

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 28, 2011, 07:33:21 PM »

Oh man. I don't visit this site that much anymore and haven't kept up with this sanding stuff for a long time and am not familiar with "Abernet".

Help me here .... I know what Abralon is as I use it, but what is Abranet?

My other question is what does 800, 800 Abranet and 1000, 1000 Abralon mean? ....does that mean sand 800 in one direction and 800 crossing it or

?

charlest wrote on 3/28/2011 4:48 PM:
"Factory Finish: 800, 800 Abranet, 1000, 1000 Abralon, Polished"

from
http://www.ballreviews.com/bowlingballreviews/ebonite/game_on/1108/0/1/ballreviews.aspx

I believe the BTM review said the same finish.

BowlingBallVault has similar: 1000 Abralon + polish

http://www.bowlingballvault.com/companies/9-ebonite/1474-game-on

"None are so blind as those who will not see."

BowlingChat.net

"Some bowlers are crazy as pickled cats."

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charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** March 29, 2011, 02:48:40 AM »

Abranet is just another sanding tool. Its design is meant to clog less. It's made by the same people who designed and manufacture Abralon, Mirka. It only comes in rougher grades. I think there's very few grades with a higher numerical grit than 800.

"800, 800" only means to me that they did it twice. Why, I'm not exactly sure.

Even P1000 grit under polish is very rough.

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Balldoctor · « **Reply #4 on:** March 29, 2011, 09:37:53 AM »

Most Ebonite Intrnational balls are finished using 4 stations. 800, 800, 1000, 1000 simply means the finishing process. Some have been thru only 3.

Resurfacers like in Pro Shops are used. Difference is theirs are really souped up with pressure and speed.

Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 29, 2011, 09:54:40 AM »

Thanks Charlest...

charlest wrote on 3/29/2011 2:48 AM:
Abranet is just another sanding tool. Its design is meant to clog less. It's made by the same people who designed and manufacture Abralon, Mirka. It only comes in rougher grades. I think there's very few grades with a higher numerical grit than 800.

"800, 800" only means to me that they did it twice. Why, I'm not exactly sure.

Even P1000 grit under polish is very rough.

"None are so blind as those who will not see."

BowlingChat.net

"Some bowlers are crazy as pickled cats."

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 29, 2011, 10:11:07 AM »

Based on my love for the Gamebreaker, I've switched to mostly Ebonite balls 3 mos or so ago. Started with the original Mission of which I really-really like a lot and have had no issues with it bowling with it right out of the box with NIB surface.

I then purchased the Game On in attempt to get by with only 2 balls plus my Red XXXL for certain RH spares on THS of which I bowl on all of the time. The Game On came "super-super shiney" and with the NIB surface it didn't turn well on the back end. Seemed to over-shoot the break point a bit regardless of lane conditions and the hit-pin carry was bad. After trying it for 8-10 games, I put it on my spinner and just barely knocked off a wee bit of the shine with a 4000 grit Abralon Pad. That seemed to bring the ball alive and it's hit-carry was great. The only problem was it became too close to my Mission on the conditions I bowl on, so I decided to sand the ball and repolish it to put a bit of seperation between the two balls.

To make a long story short, the ball has been pretty useless since. I am trying to get it back working for me.

Balldoctor wrote on 3/29/2011 9:37 AM:
Most Ebonite Intrnational balls are finished using 4 stations. 800, 800, 1000, 1000 simply means the finishing process. Some have been thru only 3.

Resurfacers like in Pro Shops are used. Difference is theirs are really souped up with pressure and speed.

Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!

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"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away."

Brick

charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** March 29, 2011, 02:31:46 PM »

Try a slightly finer grit level, like 1500 grit, but put the polish on by hand to insure a light shine just for minimal length,

OR

Try a Storm type of finish: 500 grit , followed by a 4000 grit pad. This finish attempts to use the 4000 outside surface for initial length and the 500 grit finish for bite at the backend. It's the way the Virtual Gravity and many Brunswick balls are finished these days.

"None are so blind as those who will not see."

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dw23 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 29, 2011, 04:46:33 PM »

I had a similar problem with my Game On. It wasn't bad but not the ball I needed to complement the Vital Sign and Mission Domination. I thought maybe I drilled it to strong and just wasn't getting the full benefit of the core cover combination. I tried it at box, 2000 and 4000 over 500. Now I am going to try compound over 500 abralon and hope this gets it through the front clean but keeps a nice read of the mid lane with some pop at the pins.

Brickguy221 wrote on 3/29/2011 10:11 AM:
Based on my love for the Game Breaker, I've switched to mostly Ebonite balls 3 mos or so ago. Started with the original Mission of which I really-really like a lot and have had no issues with it bowling with it right out of the box with NIB surface.

I then purchased the Game On in attempt to get by with only 2 balls plus my Red XXXL for certain RH spares on THS of which I bowl on all of the time. The Game On came "super-super shiny" and with the NIB surface it didn't turn well on the back end. Seemed to over-shoot the break point a bit regardless of lane conditions and the hit-pin carry was bad. After trying it for 8-10 games, I put it on my spinner and just barely knocked off a wee bit of the shine with a 4000 grit Abralon Pad. That seemed to bring the ball alive and it's hit-carry was great. The only problem was it became too close to my Mission on the conditions I bowl on, so I decided to sand the ball and repolish it to put a bit of seperation between the two balls.

To make a long story short, the ball has been pretty useless since. I am trying to get it back working for me.

Balldoctor wrote on 3/29/2011 9:37 AM:

Most Ebonite Intrnational balls are finished using 4 stations. 800, 800, 1000, 1000 simply means the finishing process. Some have been thru only 3.

Resurfacers like in Pro Shops are used. Difference is theirs are really souped up with pressure and speed.

Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!

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"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away."

Brick

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 29, 2011, 09:12:44 PM »

Charlest, I resanded/repolished the Game On this morning before going to league this afternoon and before reading your post tonight. If what I did fails, I will definitely try your 500/4000 Storm sanding recommendation as that is what I almost did this morning but decided to try one more thing first.

What I did may not make sense, but I decided to try it and see.....What I did was crosshatch sand the ball. 4 sides total at approx 40 seconds per side with a new 500 Grit Abralon Pad. I was going to then do the 4000 grit thing and decided to first try some Power House Factory Finish Polish that I bought 3 years or so ago but never used. I think it is the one with grit but not sure. Anyhow, I applied it fairly liberally and with lots of pressure feeling a lot of heat as I polished the ball for approx 40 seconds on 2 sides. Ball ended shiney but not overly glossy shiney as it was when new.

During warm up shots on fresh oiled lanes before league today, I moved out a bit more than I usually bowl and threw it 3 times and the ball seemed to make it thru the heads cleanly with a nice move to pocket. I struck 2 of the 3 throws. I didn't try it again once league started as my Mission was working too well and I was scoring really well, so I didn't want to chance hurting up my team since all was going well.

I bowl on a so-so team Friday, so unless I am doing as well as I did today with the Mission, I will try it some and go from there and again Monday in practice on some spotty lanes.

charlest wrote on 3/29/2011 2:31 PM:
Try a slightly finer grit level, like 1500 grit, but put the polish on by hand to insure a light shine just for minimal length,

OR

Try a Storm type of finish: 500 grit , followed by a 4000 grit pad. This finish attempts to use the 4000 outside surface for initial length and the 500 grit finish for bite at the backend. It's the way the Virtual Gravity and many Brunswick balls are finished these days.

"None are so blind as those who will not see."

BowlingChat.net

"Some bowlers are crazy as pickled cats."

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"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away."

Brick

Balldoctor · « **Reply #10 on:** March 29, 2011, 11:43:32 PM »

My favorite is 2000 with polish. I do 500, 1000, 2000 for about 20 to 30seconds.

I wipe the ball and then vacuum it. I then polish for about 40 seconds total.

Two or four sides depending on what I want for the night. Total.

If you are burning in, you are in fact smoothing the surface.

You want skid, skid and then some flip, burn the polish.

Then finish with water and towel.

More like factory, is not to burn the surface and smooth the ra finish.

Keep us informed.

Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 30, 2011, 10:51:23 AM »

Thanks...

I always finish polishes with water and towel and ball in spinner.

I seldom ever burn the polish in on a ball, but I did this time because of leaving the sanding at 500 grit plus the instructions on the Power House Polish said to burn it in (build up heat), so I figured "what the heck", nothing else has worked yet so I will try it.

Prior to this I had tried 1000 grit and Lanemasters polish .... and 800 grit using Valentino's Resurection and polished with Valentino's Snake Oil. These failed. Anxious to see if latest try will work. It showed signs of working but as previously mentioned, I only threw 3 balls with new cover adjustment.

Balldoctor wrote on 3/29/2011 11:43 PM:
My favorite is 2000 with polish. I do 500, 1000, 2000 for about 20 to 30seconds.

I wipe the ball and then vacuum it. I then polish for about 40 seconds total.

Two or four sides depending on what I want for the night. Total.

If you are burning in, you are in fact smoothing the surface.

You want skid, skid and then some flip, burn the polish.

Then finish with water and towel.

More like factory, is not to burn the surface and smooth the ra finish.

Keep us informed.

Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!

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"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away."

Brick

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 04, 2011, 08:56:21 PM »

The purpose of my original topic was trying to get the cover on my Game On to where it would work for me in a complimentary position to the Mission when I needed to put my Mission back in my bag. I want to thank everyone for their input here and I took some of your information and combined it with my thoughts. After doing that, a few days ago I redid the cover and posted the following.....

What I did was crosshatch sand the ball. 4 sides total at approx 40 seconds per side with a new 500 Grit Abralon Pad. I was going to then do the 4000 grit thing and decided to first try some Power House Factory Finish Polish that I bought 3 years or so ago but never used. I think it is the one with grit but not sure. Anyhow, I applied it fairly liberally and with lots of pressure feeling a lot of heat as I polished the ball for approx 40 seconds on 2 sides. Ball ended shiney but not overly glossy shiney as it was when new.

I just wanted to let everyone know the results as I promised I would and am overly happy to say what I did seems to have worked really-really well. I have now bowled 6 1/2 games with it and when the lane conditions indicate it is time to put my Mission back in my bag, the Game On has done a great job of taking over.

When it comes time to touch up the cover, I will probably have to apply a different polish though as the Power House Factory Polish has grit and I don't want to change the cover any more at this time using a grit polish.

Does Storm Reacta Shine polish have grit in it?

Thanks to all.

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"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away."

Brick

charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** April 05, 2011, 08:37:38 AM »

Reacta Shine is supposed to be slightly abrasive. I'm pretty sure it has some degree of grit in it.

Ebonite's/Powerhouse's High Gloss Factory FInish polish no longer has any grit in it that I can tell.I am 100% sure that it used, back in the late 1990s, early 2000s. Since I stopped using it, I do not know when they changed the formula, but I am fairly certain that the current version does not have grit in it. (To be 100% honest, back then I was not aware of "grit" in polishes and such differences. I can say that formula was definitely changed.)

I have gone through a whole bottle of it in the last 18 - 24 months, using it on many different brands of balls. In comparison with known no-abrasive polishes, like Snake Oil and Lanemasters Factory Finish, Powerhouse Factory Finish has been comparable in its effect on balls. Besides, if it did have abrasive in it, the Ebonite family of ball brands would not be able to use it on base grit levels from 1000 grit to 4000 grit, without their all coming close to the same final finish.

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 10, 2011, 08:52:44 PM »

Just an up-date here to let those interested know that what I did (500 Grit Abralon cross-hatched & some 3-4 year old Powerhouse Factory Polish that I had of which I had never used before) worked for me on the Game-On
so hopefuilly that problem is behind me for now. I have used the ball 4 times since redoing the surface and it has worked every time.

Brickguy221 wrote on 4/4/2011 8:56 PM:
The purpose of my original topic was trying to get the cover on my Game On to where it would work for me in a complimentary position to the Mission when I needed to put my Mission back in my bag. I want to thank everyone for their input here and I took some of your information and combined it with my thoughts. After doing that, a few days ago I redid the cover and posted the following.....

What I did was crosshatch sand the ball. 4 sides total at approx 40 seconds per side with a new 500 Grit Abralon Pad. I was going to then do the 4000 grit thing and decided to first try some Power House Factory Finish Polish that I bought 3 years or so ago but never used. I think it is the one with grit but not sure. Anyhow, I applied it fairly liberally and with lots of pressure feeling a lot of heat as I polished the ball for approx 40 seconds on 2 sides. Ball ended shiney but not overly glossy shiney as it was when new.

I just wanted to let everyone know the results as I promised I would and am overly happy to say what I did seems to have worked really-really well. I have now bowled 6 1/2 games with it and when the lane conditions indicate it is time to put my Mission back in my bag, the Game On has done a great job of taking over.

When it comes time to touch up the cover, I will probably have to apply a different polish though as the Power House Factory Polish has grit and I don't want to change the cover any more at this time using a grit polish.

Does Storm Reacta Shine polish have grit in it?

Thanks to all.

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"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away."

Brick

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"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away."

Brick

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