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Title: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: johncdee on January 27, 2015, 07:27:34 PM: What's the difference between Ebonite Pivot Point and Honor? And are these bowling balls stronger that Track MX16?

Right now I'm using Track MX16 as my first ball but I want something stronger at the backend.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: Balldoctor on January 27, 2015, 10:16:19 PM: Then you want the Code Of Honor.
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: johncdee on January 27, 2015, 11:54:14 PM: Thank you BallDoctor. But I only have two choices. Honor or Pivot point. Those are the only available choices I have where I plan to buy the bowling ball. I check the specs of the three. Honor and Code of Honor have virtually the same specs except the factory finish. Honor and Pivot Point have different coverstock.

Additional info. I'm a lefty and stroker style. I don't turn my wrist. Thumb points at 2 O'clock from push away to release. This way, I'm more consistent with my shot.

Thanks.
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: Balldoctor on January 28, 2015, 10:34:48 AM: Honor will be longer on all patterns. It is better on medium oil. Have used Honor way more than Pivot Point. Are you lanes wood or synthetic?
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: ambi1 on January 29, 2015, 12:49:08 AM: Hi John, looks like you beat me to it.

@ Doc: his lanes will be brunswick pro anvil. he has a moderate tilt, ave rev. wasn't able to check his rotation. Actually, JOhn"s problem started when the center came out with a longer pattern together with a more viscous oil (command ). I don't know too much re the new balls. Last I got was the source. So I pointed him here and hope some more knowledgeable people here can help.

TIA guys
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: johncdee on January 29, 2015, 03:43:47 AM: Hi ambi1.

Saw this ball review on youtube. Hope this helps.
Pivot Point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7PlSqQ_Xjw

Honor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IruNfH0iObc
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: Phoneman on January 29, 2015, 08:00:09 AM: BallDoc hit it right on the head with his first reply. Code of Honor. It was released yesterday to the public. It is a monster compared to the Pivot Point. Great to start out on the fresh with and then when they breakdown us the pivot point.
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: Balldoctor on January 29, 2015, 12:21:13 PM: Johncdee, go with the Pivot Point over the Honor. Don't be afraid to scuff the ball cover for more reaction. Good Luck and let us know how you do.
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: johncdee on January 29, 2015, 04:57:21 PM: Hi BallDoctor.

Thank you for the advice. :)
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: Balldoctor on January 29, 2015, 11:50:08 PM: Thank You!! It is enjoyable to have discussions with Bowlers who truly are trying to learn. Have used Ebonite exclusively since around 2003. I don't have all the answers, but I know folks who do. Bowl To Win!
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: ambi1 on February 02, 2015, 07:53:40 AM: BTW, the original question was never really answered.. So just for future reference

Which is the stronger ball... Or better if people could rate them. If not too much of a problem... Maybe include the lagacy too...?? Thanks a bunch.
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: Balldoctor on February 02, 2015, 09:50:05 AM: Pivot Point is earlier than Honor. For Me, Honor is sharper on backend. Legacy is longest of all three. Not as sharp on backend. Honor and Legacy are for medium to lighter patterns.
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: ambi1 on February 03, 2015, 02:55:20 AM: Quote from: Balldoctor on February 02, 2015, 09:50:05 AM
Pivot Point is earlier than Honor. For Me, Honor is sharper on backend. Legacy is longest of all three. Not as sharp on backend. Honor and Legacy are for medium to lighter patterns.

Thanks BD
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: johncdee on February 25, 2015, 06:48:34 AM: Update:

I bought the Pivot Point. My friend sanded it 600 and polished it a little. So far so good. I just need to be consistent on my release. And I need to trust the ball will come back after I throw it outwards.

Next week will be the championship round. Hope I do well.

Thanks for everyone's help.
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: Balldoctor on February 25, 2015, 10:37:30 AM: Thanks for keeping us informed. Good Luck next week.
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: Traumabill on February 25, 2015, 02:22:20 PM: Keep in mind what Doc is trying to say is with the balls out of box. You can sand or polish or alter surface and see one ball which shouldn't be stronger than the other appear that way. Layout can also dictate ball reaction. Doc is solid with his advice but if you see it in your center as different, there are a number of variables that could be the reason

Bill Daley
Better Bowling Concepts
Ebonite Amateur Staff
Turbo Grips Staff
Norwich, Conn.
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: Balldoctor on February 25, 2015, 11:13:30 PM: Any questions about the Champion? Bill has the answers.
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: johncdee on July 01, 2015, 06:14:03 AM: Update on my Pivot point:
Sand it using 500 abralon.
Highest score so far is 290 during practice.
longest string of strikes is 11 (from 2nd frame to 12th)
Highest 4 game series is 920.

A friend gave me his cyclone. Drilled for right hand. Weight is close to 15lbs. I'm planning to have it plugged, layout and drive for me (left handed) but I normally use 14lbs or a little over 14lbs.

Is it advisable to use a heavier ball as my next option after pivot point?

When I ball down from Pivot point, is cyclone a good option?

Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: ebonite pivot point vs Honor
Post by: Balldoctor on July 01, 2015, 09:59:05 PM: Thanks for sharing. we all like success stories.