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I just saw on one of the internet seller's web sites that Ebonite has introduced a new very light oil ball named after one of its old superstars, the Crush/R. Now it only has a pancake core; so, it would seem to be their mildest resin ball.
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Oddly I don't yet see it on Ebonite's own web site.

The Cyclone used to be their mildest ball, but, in reality that ball had the potential to handle as much as true medium oil. So it wasn't really a true entry level ball.

Now they have also introduced the Turbo/R which handles oil a step below the Cyclone, while the Crush/R is at least a full step below the Turbo in oil handling and probably hook potential.

It's nice to see another brand filling all its niches, even though these new mild balls probably won't be huge sales success.
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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2017, 08:38:11 PM »
Yeah margins not great on those more than likely.  I know I went the cheap route for my weak pearl and picked up a Path Rising.  Those Ebi balls were my next choice though and probably are more versatile (Path Rising ended up being even weaker than I expected for my style).  Wow Path Rising went up so the Crush/R is now cheaper (pancake core though).  Turbo/R is almost the same price now with GB coverstock and a real core its a bargain.  For a few dollars more would probably get the Cyclone though.  Great prices all around.
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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 09:06:49 PM »
The Crush/R you're seeing is a Dick's/Sports Authority special. Along with the predrilled Zooms, that was your bowling experience at those stores.
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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 06:26:08 AM »
The Crush/R you're seeing is a Dick's/Sports Authority special. Along with the predrilled Zooms, that was your bowling experience at those stores.

Thanks; I didn't know that.
That might explain why it's not on Ebonite's own website.

But, then, I wonder how come BowlingBall.com is carrying them?
and I wonder how close it is to the Scout Reactive?
(To save costs, it might just be a differently labeled Scout???)
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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2018, 09:01:07 AM »
See my upcoming Ebonite post on Pancakes!

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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2018, 09:21:49 AM »
Yeah margins not great on those more than likely.  I know I went the cheap route for my weak pearl and picked up a Path Rising.  Those Ebi balls were my next choice though and probably are more versatile (Path Rising ended up being even weaker than I expected for my style).  Wow Path Rising went up so the Crush/R is now cheaper (pancake core though).  Turbo/R is almost the same price now with GB coverstock and a real core its a bargain.  For a few dollars more would probably get the Cyclone though.  Great prices all around.

 
That Turbo/R has me intrigued. The GB 10.7 cover with a low differential core is a winning combo. 
 
We're bowling on the Nationals team pattern in my sport league, and it's making a lot of really good bowlers look bad. Most everyone is being forced way left very early, and the line to the pocket is unforgiving of any error. Out of frustration, I took my old Ebonite Stinger Particle low flaire out for the last game. The solid cover with the low differential core did the trick for me. I was able to move further right and successfully play a tighter line between the second and third arrow. I finally had some fun!!
 
The Turbo/R seems to be the same kind of animal. I might pick one up for insurance.

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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2018, 09:59:42 AM »
Yeah margins not great on those more than likely.  I know I went the cheap route for my weak pearl and picked up a Path Rising.  Those Ebi balls were my next choice though and probably are more versatile (Path Rising ended up being even weaker than I expected for my style).  Wow Path Rising went up so the Crush/R is now cheaper (pancake core though).  Turbo/R is almost the same price now with GB coverstock and a real core its a bargain.  For a few dollars more would probably get the Cyclone though.  Great prices all around.

 
That Turbo/R has me intrigued. The GB 10.7 cover with a low differential core is a winning combo. 
 
We're bowling on the Nationals team pattern in my sport league, and it's making a lot of really good bowlers look bad. Most everyone is being forced way left very early, and the line to the pocket is unforgiving of any error. Out of frustration, I took my old Ebonite Stinger Particle low flaire out for the last game. The solid cover with the low differential core did the trick for me. I was able to move further right and successfully play a tighter line between the second and third arrow. I finally had some fun!!
 
The Turbo/R seems to be the same kind of animal. I might pick one up for insurance.

There "might" be a significant difference between the Turbo's apparently pearl cover and the Stinger's solid particle cover, in ball reaction and midlane read and backend ....
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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2018, 12:41:55 PM »
Yeah margins not great on those more than likely.  I know I went the cheap route for my weak pearl and picked up a Path Rising.  Those Ebi balls were my next choice though and probably are more versatile (Path Rising ended up being even weaker than I expected for my style).  Wow Path Rising went up so the Crush/R is now cheaper (pancake core though).  Turbo/R is almost the same price now with GB coverstock and a real core its a bargain.  For a few dollars more would probably get the Cyclone though.  Great prices all around.

 
That Turbo/R has me intrigued. The GB 10.7 cover with a low differential core is a winning combo. 
 
We're bowling on the Nationals team pattern in my sport league, and it's making a lot of really good bowlers look bad. Most everyone is being forced way left very early, and the line to the pocket is unforgiving of any error. Out of frustration, I took my old Ebonite Stinger Particle low flaire out for the last game. The solid cover with the low differential core did the trick for me. I was able to move further right and successfully play a tighter line between the second and third arrow. I finally had some fun!!
 
The Turbo/R seems to be the same kind of animal. I might pick one up for insurance.

There "might" be a significant difference between the Turbo's apparently pearl cover and the Stinger's solid particle cover, in ball reaction and midlane read and backend ....

Ive been trying to get an answer on the solid vs. pearl covertock. Everything I read says GB 10.7. Ebonite is usually pretty good about noting a pearl cover when it is. In any case, I have a call into Ebonite for clarification.

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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2018, 03:37:27 PM »
Yeah margins not great on those more than likely.  I know I went the cheap route for my weak pearl and picked up a Path Rising.  Those Ebi balls were my next choice though and probably are more versatile (Path Rising ended up being even weaker than I expected for my style).  Wow Path Rising went up so the Crush/R is now cheaper (pancake core though).  Turbo/R is almost the same price now with GB coverstock and a real core its a bargain.  For a few dollars more would probably get the Cyclone though.  Great prices all around.

 
That Turbo/R has me intrigued. The GB 10.7 cover with a low differential core is a winning combo. 
 
We're bowling on the Nationals team pattern in my sport league, and it's making a lot of really good bowlers look bad. Most everyone is being forced way left very early, and the line to the pocket is unforgiving of any error. Out of frustration, I took my old Ebonite Stinger Particle low flaire out for the last game. The solid cover with the low differential core did the trick for me. I was able to move further right and successfully play a tighter line between the second and third arrow. I finally had some fun!!
 
The Turbo/R seems to be the same kind of animal. I might pick one up for insurance.

There "might" be a significant difference between the Turbo's apparently pearl cover and the Stinger's solid particle cover, in ball reaction and midlane read and backend ....

Ive been trying to get an answer on the solid vs. pearl covertock. Everything I read says GB 10.7. Ebonite is usually pretty good about noting a pearl cover when it is. In any case, I have a call into Ebonite for clarification.

Same BS as when the Cyclone first came out and new colored options were presented. Some were solid and some were pearls. I can only assume the same is true for the Turbo.
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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2018, 06:52:34 PM »

Same BS as when the Cyclone first came out and new colored options were presented. Some were solid and some were pearls. I can only assume the same is true for the Turbo.

 
You pretty much nailed it.
 
Got a call back from Ebonite. The Orange swirl model is a pearl, while the other two colored models are hybrids. I am interested in the hybrid. I'll probably be buying one in the next month.

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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2018, 07:21:37 PM »

Same BS as when the Cyclone first came out and new colored options were presented. Some were solid and some were pearls. I can only assume the same is true for the Turbo.

 
You pretty much nailed it.
 
Got a call back from Ebonite. The Orange swirl model is a pearl, while the other two colored models are hybrids. I am interested in the hybrid. I'll probably be buying one in the next month.

Good luck.
It definitely seems a step down fro the Cyclone.
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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2018, 07:37:15 PM »

Good luck.
It definitely seems a step down fro the Cyclone.

 
The conditions at my primary house where I bowl a THS scratch league have changed radically this year. I've always been able to use my upper medium level equipment.
 
Not now. It's really dried out. I've had to ball down to weaker stuff I never would have carried with me previously. The Turbo/R Hybrid would be a step down from the balls I'm using now, and I think useful for the extreme breakdown situations. We'll see.

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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2018, 08:28:24 PM »
I picked up the Columbia Nitrous for Nats team pattern last year.
Drilled a 2" pin above my PAP and it was a great predictable motion.
Has been good on some of the torn up tougher patterns, really controls the back half of the lane.

Out of curiosity, who did you speak to at EBI?
I did a factory tour a few months back and I had a decent discussion about this very topic.
It was explained that they don't have a pearl, hybrid or solid additive per say.
Its more about the chemistry and the color combinations they use
Some colors have stronger motion than others
Some react faster to friction

There is more to it than that, but I have noticed that I tend to have better luck with the red/orange/black/silver colors or a mix thereof.
I tend to like the Hybrid coverstocks better than the others, It seems more like a predictable response to friction for my game


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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2018, 10:07:41 PM »
I picked up the Columbia Nitrous for Nats team pattern last year.
Drilled a 2" pin above my PAP and it was a great predictable motion.
Has been good on some of the torn up tougher patterns, really controls the back half of the lane.

Out of curiosity, who did you speak to at EBI?
I did a factory tour a few months back and I had a decent discussion about this very topic.
It was explained that they don't have a pearl, hybrid or solid additive per say.
Its more about the chemistry and the color combinations they use
Some colors have stronger motion than others
Some react faster to friction

There is more to it than that, but I have noticed that I tend to have better luck with the red/orange/black/silver colors or a mix thereof.
I tend to like the Hybrid coverstocks better than the others, It seems more like a predictable response to friction for my game

 
Matt Gasn. It was a quick conversation, but he seemed like a friendly guy.

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Re: Ebonite seems to be rounding out its lighter oil ball selection.
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2018, 10:11:12 PM »
Ive met him, great guy.
Try sending an email to Mitch Beasley. He is a wealth of knowledge about all EBI products
He will get back to you if they arent bowling somewhere
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