Author Topic: Ebonite the most hated ball company?? (Read 7829 times)

tdub36tjt · « **on:** January 01, 2008, 04:43:07 AM »

I think everyone hates on Ebonite. Its kind of funny to me. It seems like everyone looks for any reason to hate Ebonite they can think of. Probably because they own half of the bowling industry. Thats my guess. It doesn't really matter to me, people are gonna buy whatever they want. But most of the things that people complain about Ebonite for can either be avoided (ball death) or seem to be just to complain (raising prices for on-line stores).

Sjf · « **Reply #16 on:** January 01, 2008, 06:10:03 PM »

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Interesting comment on Ebonite.......
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I used to like their stuff but I figured out angle on backends are not always a great thing. My biggest problem is all of the balls they make are skid/snap other then resurgence and maybe a few others I can't think of, but most is intended for big backends, while i know you can drill them for other things, they just do best with big backends.

But then in same tagline in sig..."MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!"

Ummmmm.....for the most part I see the same type of ball reaction from MoRich. Now that's funny...I don't care who you are.
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Scott

scott, he is probably another Big B groupie. that is what they do.

Eddie M · « **Reply #17 on:** January 01, 2008, 06:10:06 PM »

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I wouldn't say that Ebonite has done anything for Hammer. They bought the name to sell more bowling balls with. When they slapped the Hammer name on a balling ball, they got an instant customer base from the old Faball fans. It's the same thing they did with Track and every other brand name they now control.
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Visionary Test Staff 07-08

WRONG SIR, when Ebonite bought hammer, it was at a time when we could not give a hammer away. now we stock 7 different hammer models, and they all sell.

as for Columbia or Track, both were selling very well when they were bought out by Ebonite. which was probably the reason Ebonite bought them.

and further more sir, another reason Columbia may have sold to Ebonite is EPA related!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh, you did not know that did you, did you notice that Ebonite moved out of Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why, why sir, when their was a modern plant in place.

Ebonite is doing a great job, and their new plan will help the whole industry.

Edited on 1/1/2008 6:42 PM

So you are saying that Ebonite didn't buy the Hammer name, and slap it on their own products? If Ebonite didn't think there was money to made with the Hammer name, they wouldn't have paid for it. Ebonite could have called the new brand anything they wanted, but they chose Hammer for a reason. Money.
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Visionary Test Staff 07-08

T Brockette · « **Reply #18 on:** January 01, 2008, 06:15:18 PM »

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sir, i have heard from people in the oil business, that there "may have been a EPA issue" with the land the plant was on. the cost of the cleanup may have been a factor in selling.

as for their sales at the time of the sale. i thought they were doing very well, at least in my area.

The land issue is a possibility. Just about everyone I know, that would know, said that they were not doing well at all.
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Bowlemdown · « **Reply #19 on:** January 01, 2008, 06:18:36 PM »

your info is wrong tub, ebonite is one of the most well liked companies in the industry...PERIOD!

Gazoo · « **Reply #20 on:** January 01, 2008, 06:22:35 PM »

Success creates Envy
Envy creates Hate!

Sjf · « **Reply #21 on:** January 01, 2008, 06:24:06 PM »

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I wouldn't say that Ebonite has done anything for Hammer. They bought the name to sell more bowling balls with. When they slapped the Hammer name on a balling ball, they got an instant customer base from the old Faball fans. It's the same thing they did with Track and every other brand name they now control.
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Visionary Test Staff 07-08

WRONG SIR, when Ebonite bought hammer, it was at a time when we could not give a hammer away. now we stock 7 different hammer models, and they all sell.

as for Columbia or Track, both were selling very well when they were bought out by Ebonite. which was probably the reason Ebonite bought them.

and further more sir, another reason Columbia may have sold to Ebonite is EPA related!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh, you did not know that did you, did you notice that Ebonite moved out of Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why, why sir, when their was a modern plant in place.

Ebonite is doing a great job, and their new plan will help the whole industry.

Edited on 1/1/2008 6:42 PM

So you are saying that Ebonite didn't buy the Hammer name, and slap it on their own products? If Ebonite didn't think there was money to made with the Hammer name, they wouldn't have paid for it. Ebonite could have called the new brand anything they wanted, but they chose Hammer for a reason. Money.
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Visionary Test Staff 07-08

Back the good ship lolly pop up here sir.

of course the Hammer name was bought for the name. what i said sir was this. at that period in time, Hammer's ball sales where flat.
Ebonite bought the company and then a new R & D was formed, and slowly but surely, the sales of Hammer Bowling balls began to rise.

under Ebonite, the Hammer Brand has done very well, in fact, never better in sales, in our shop.

now this differs fro the Columbia and Track buy out. in our area both Track and Columbia where doing very well at the time of the buyout. i can not speak for the whole country, but in our area, they where doing very well.
now to me there is two times to buy something, at full price, especially if it is a hot item, or on closeout, if it is a slow item, to me, columbia was doing well and i think Ebonite bought they at the right time. and as fot when they bought Hammer, to me, at least in our area, their sales where flat, a good brand name, but their sales where flat, so i think Ebonite made a good decision to buy them. at that time.

REVerse · « **Reply #22 on:** January 01, 2008, 06:46:00 PM »

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I wouldn't say that Ebonite has done anything for Hammer. They bought the name to sell more bowling balls with. When they slapped the Hammer name on a balling ball, they got an instant customer base from the old Faball fans. It's the same thing they did with Track and every other brand name they now control.
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Visionary Test Staff 07-08

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So you are saying that Ebonite didn't buy the Hammer name, and slap it on their own products? If Ebonite didn't think there was money to made with the Hammer name, they wouldn't have paid for it. Ebonite could have called the new brand anything they wanted, but they chose Hammer for a reason. Money.
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Visionary Test Staff 07-08

Good post Eddie. I was vocal about resetting the hit counter in the new Track and new Columbia forums because the balls/cores were no longer engineered by Columbia. There is still a Pre-Ebonite Hammer forum. -(Sorry off topic, oops)-Regardles, the Columbia/Track names could have been dumped in favor of new names. Same goes for Hammer. Regardless, all the mentioned names are really "Ebonite." Whatever the case, I hear the balls are good and... that is corporate America. It is all about the shrinking almighty USD. I don't hate Ebonite. They employ Americans. And no- you can't have my Brunswick equipment! Pass the guacamole please.
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nextbowler · « **Reply #23 on:** January 01, 2008, 07:26:18 PM »

Anytime you say "everyone", you are wrong.

Slopsurprise · « **Reply #24 on:** January 01, 2008, 09:27:13 PM »

They would be all I would throw if I felt they had any kind of coverstock longevity. They match up to me very well and match up to whatever I have bowled on but, I cant handle premature ball death.

It is a big love/hate with them for me.

NicholasE · « **Reply #25 on:** January 01, 2008, 09:42:17 PM »

quote:
Interesting comment on Ebonite.......
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I used to like their stuff but I figured out angle on backends are not always a great thing. My biggest problem is all of the balls they make are skid/snap other then resurgence and maybe a few others I can't think of, but most is intended for big backends, while i know you can drill them for other things, they just do best with big backends.

But then in same tagline in sig..."MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!"

Ummmmm.....for the most part I see the same type of ball reaction from MoRich. Now that's funny...I don't care who you are.
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Scott

Dead wrong! trust me Morich is NOTHING like ebonite. Thrown both and there is a big difference. Ebonite is a SKID/SNAP reaction. Morich is a HARD arc BIG DIFFERENCE!!

So before you start with the smart comments better try them out.
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MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=74110&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5

NicholasE · « **Reply #26 on:** January 01, 2008, 09:43:58 PM »

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quote:
Interesting comment on Ebonite.......
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I used to like their stuff but I figured out angle on backends are not always a great thing. My biggest problem is all of the balls they make are skid/snap other then resurgence and maybe a few others I can't think of, but most is intended for big backends, while i know you can drill them for other things, they just do best with big backends.

But then in same tagline in sig..."MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!"

Ummmmm.....for the most part I see the same type of ball reaction from MoRich. Now that's funny...I don't care who you are.
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Scott

scott, he is probably another Big B groupie. that is what they do.

Matter as fact I don't like Big B one bit... Too much hype and their stuff doesn't work for me. Yeah they own Morich but they are different. Look in my profile and look at current arsenal...no Big B found huh?
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MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=74110&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5

DON DRAPER · « **Reply #27 on:** January 01, 2008, 09:51:27 PM »

i have nothing against ebonite and/or hammer. they make fine equipment. however, i see many league players jumping on their bandwagon simply because the local pro shop operator throws this equipment. they think this new ball will make them a better player. their averages are no better than when they threw someone elses equipment. these are the same guys who lusted after columbia cuda/c's when they came out. then they went to the brunswick danger zone. then they went to........ well, you get the idea.

scotts33 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 01, 2008, 09:57:42 PM »

NsaneLevRG - Medium Track Sharp Break Point Drilling

Just depends on how your technique matches up to lane condition and I have had a TS&A and have used some other older MoRich pieces.

All depends on how you lay out anything this day in age some balls will allow skid/snap others not. Some Ebonite stuff like thew SR300 is not skid/snap.

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Scott

NicholasE · « **Reply #29 on:** January 01, 2008, 10:03:48 PM »

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NsaneLevRG - Medium Track Sharp Break Point Drilling

Just depends on how your technique matches up to lane condition and I have had a TS&A and have used some other older MoRich pieces.

All depends on how you lay out anything this day in age some balls will allow skid/snap others not. Some Ebonite stuff like thew SR300 is not skid/snap.

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Scott

Nsane is intended for a sharp break point because Mo hasn't made one...at least no recently the Revs was a medium arch ball for me and finish just skids..not impressed with them, but like i said in my original post their balls are "intended" for backend but not all of them like resurgence, sr300, anger stuff like that...but they roll completly different for me.
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MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=74110&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5

Slopsurprise · « **Reply #30 on:** January 02, 2008, 07:46:29 AM »

quote:
quote:
Interesting comment on Ebonite.......
quote:
I used to like their stuff but I figured out angle on backends are not always a great thing. My biggest problem is all of the balls they make are skid/snap other then resurgence and maybe a few others I can't think of, but most is intended for big backends, while i know you can drill them for other things, they just do best with big backends.

But then in same tagline in sig..."MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!"

Ummmmm.....for the most part I see the same type of ball reaction from MoRich. Now that's funny...I don't care who you are.
--------------------
Scott

Dead wrong! trust me Morich is NOTHING like ebonite. Thrown both and there is a big difference. Ebonite is a SKID/SNAP reaction. Morich is a HARD arc BIG DIFFERENCE!!

So before you start with the smart comments better try them out.
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MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=74110&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5

+1, Morich has the rolliest balls on the market. What Mo considers a flip, is an arc by other companies standards.

Author Topic: Ebonite the most hated ball company?? (Read 7829 times)

tdub36tjt

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