Author Topic: Ebonite the most hated ball company?? (Read 7827 times)

tdub36tjt · « **on:** January 01, 2008, 04:43:07 AM »

I think everyone hates on Ebonite. Its kind of funny to me. It seems like everyone looks for any reason to hate Ebonite they can think of. Probably because they own half of the bowling industry. Thats my guess. It doesn't really matter to me, people are gonna buy whatever they want. But most of the things that people complain about Ebonite for can either be avoided (ball death) or seem to be just to complain (raising prices for on-line stores).

Slopsurprise · « **Reply #31 on:** January 02, 2008, 07:50:16 AM »

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Just depends on how your technique matches up to lane condition and I have had a TS&A and have used some other older MoRich pieces.

All depends on how you lay out anything this day in age some balls will allow skid/snap others not. Some Ebonite stuff like thew SR300 is not skid/snap.

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I have had multiple Morich balls with numerous layouts. I also can change my axis rotation, speed, etc. Nothing flips! The closet thing Morich made that had a flip reaction was the Ravage. I dont care how you layout Morich's new lineup of balls, they are not going to flip and will not provide lots of recovery. They are made more for control or for fluffers to chuck them up the right side of the lane.

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 02, 2008, 09:28:44 AM »

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They are made more for control or for fluffers to chuck them up the right side of the lane.

Based on that, they must be made for Walter Ray Williams Jr. then, as that is where he likes to chuck them.

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NicholasE · « **Reply #33 on:** January 02, 2008, 09:39:21 AM »

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They are made more for control or for fluffers to chuck them up the right side of the lane.

Going to have to disagree on that. I have nothing but morich and not one of them can I throw up the right side. I throw 17MPH avg with tons of revs (saying around 450 maybe more) and I have to play deep. There is no ball that I have seen in my center hook as near as much as my total shock & awe. On a fresh heavy oiled 40' house shot starting out with my TS&A at 400 grit I play left of center and push the ball out to about the 5 board and that thing just turns so hard.

On sport patterns like the shark I play up the right side and it just arcs right to the pocket. Its hard to use it on the shorter patterns because if it hits a dry board its going to change directions.

I have a video of it in my profile. Its the first one and Im a few boards left of center playing pretty deep and it recovers really well. I have another video of my polished TS&A drilled to go long and hook hard on the backend its the second one and neither of those are weak enough to throw up the right side even at 19MPH.

I think Mo's balls are very good for the higher rev and higher speed players.
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #34 on:** January 02, 2008, 09:50:40 AM »

I can't remember. Was this the "ebonite most hated" thread or the "morich most hated thread"?

I used to throw only ebonite. Then they started getting to "gimmiky" for me, coming out with what seemed like endless, stupidly named coverstocks ( Big Daddy, Mac Daddy, Who's your Daddy ( just kidding on that last one), etc....) that I got tired of trying to keep up with them and got to throwing a lot of brunswick and visionary stuff.

Haven't really used anything new from them ( ebonite) until I ended up with a gamebreaker in a trade and tried it out of curiosity. If I can make the cover last, this appears to be a really good ball.

I don't see how anyone could "HATE" a ball company. You either like the equipment and policies or not, and their policies are only a matter of opinion, aren't they?

Ebonite took advantage of the market and economy to expand their market share by absorbing the competition. This is one of the oldest ( and most successful ) marketing ploys ever. They now profit from name brands that used to be detrimental to their business. Columbia, Track, Hammer are all respected names in the industry and, when added to the market share and power that ebonite now wields in the industry, are only going to get more and more dominant.
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jls · « **Reply #35 on:** January 02, 2008, 10:27:56 AM »

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I can't remember. Was this the "ebonite most hated" thread or the "morich most hated thread"?

I used to throw only ebonite. Then they started getting to "gimmiky" for me, coming out with what seemed like endless, stupidly named coverstocks ( Big Daddy, Mac Daddy, Who's your Daddy ( just kidding on that last one), etc....) that I got tired of trying to keep up with them and got to throwing a lot of brunswick and visionary stuff.

Haven't really used anything new from them ( ebonite) until I ended up with a gamebreaker in a trade and tried it out of curiosity. If I can make the cover last, this appears to be a really good ball.

I don't see how anyone could "HATE" a ball company. You either like the equipment and policies or not, and their policies are only a matter of opinion, aren't they?

Ebonite took advantage of the market and economy to expand their market share by absorbing the competition. This is one of the oldest ( and most successful ) marketing ploys ever. They now profit from name brands that used to be detrimental to their business. Columbia, Track, Hammer are all respected names in the industry and, when added to the market share and power that ebonite now wields in the industry, are only going to get more and more dominant.
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jag, is that kinda sorta similar to when a company moves their plant to another country to use low cost labor?

do they kinda sorta do that to make more money?

isn't that another ploy big companies use.
well at least for the time being, most Ebonite balls are made here. yes some plastic are made in China, but most highend balls are made here.

but someday, it would not surprise me that all balls are made elsewhere.

after all, golf clubs are made in China.
and golfers still buy those $300 plus drivers!!!!

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golfnutFL · « **Reply #36 on:** January 02, 2008, 04:52:58 PM »

I have just two words as to why I've stayed away from Ebonite for a long time....Primal Instinct!!
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Sjf · « **Reply #37 on:** January 02, 2008, 08:07:13 PM »

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I have just two words as to why I've stayed away from Ebonite for a long time....Primal Instinct!!
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golfnut, that was then, and this is now.

believe me, i was no fan of the primal or Ebonite, at that time.
but i don't believe in cutting your nose off to spite your face.

ever since the "ONE" Ebonite ia back!!!! and not stocking or selling them would be foolish for any pro shop.

last thurs, we had a record day for post Christams sales. 17 Ebonite balls, mixed between Track, Hammer,Columbia, and Ebonite. 2 Storm, and 1 Brunswick.

today 1-2-08, was the biggest day in sales for the year>>> ok today was the first day, for the new year, but sales where up 45% over this day last year.
and 1-2-07 was a big day!!!!

sold 4 hammers, 3 Tracks, 3 columbia's, 4 Ebonites. 0 Storm, 0 Brunswick.
and a whole bunch of bags!!!

point>>> Ebonite is selling right now, and i can honestly say, some of those sales, the customers called and asked for a particular ball.

to not stock them because of something that happened 38 months ago is foolish.
and now Ebonite is stepping up to the plate with their new pricing policy.
it's a good start.

thanks Mr Reed

Remember the Alamo

funny story but true. while adjusting a ball for a customer today, during a blitz, the subject of balls made in Mexico came up. not started by me!!!
all i said was, Brunswick is now made in Mexico. standing a few feet away, and waiting to buy a ball, was 3 Mexicans!!!! a man, his wife and his son.

end of story, they bought an NVS, and a Kinetic.

golfnutFL · « **Reply #38 on:** January 02, 2008, 09:25:16 PM »

For a pro shop that is the correct approach. For a long, long, long time ball consumer the Primal was merely the end...especially after the Apex series. Around here the Hammer balls are REALLY popular (widow series) but I think many are still leery of EBO. The One did well and then the Big One sullied Ebo's name again. I see quite a few of the NV series but I also hear way too much negativity regarding longevity. Few casual bowlers maintain their equipment, especially to the level that Ebo requires. I just don't see that problem with their Hammer stuff. Or Storm, RotoGrip, L/LM. That's an educated consumer's opinion. Maybe it's something that you need to pass along to your customers, Ebo balls need diligent maintenance.

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I have just two words as to why I've stayed away from Ebonite for a long time....Primal Instinct!!
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golfnut, that was then, and this is now.

believe me, i was no fan of the primal or Ebonite, at that time.
but i don't believe in cutting your nose off to spite your face.

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jls · « **Reply #39 on:** January 03, 2008, 08:43:48 AM »

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For a pro shop that is the correct approach. For a long, long, long time ball consumer the Primal was merely the end...especially after the Apex series. Around here the Hammer balls are REALLY popular (widow series) but I think many are still leery of EBO. The One did well and then the Big One sullied Ebo's name again. I see quite a few of the NV series but I also hear way too much negativity regarding longevity. Few casual bowlers maintain their equipment, especially to the level that Ebo requires. I just don't see that problem with their Hammer stuff. Or Storm, RotoGrip, L/LM. That's an educated consumer's opinion. Maybe it's something that you need to pass along to your customers, Ebo balls need diligent maintenance.

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I have just two words as to why I've stayed away from Ebonite for a long time....Primal Instinct!!
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golfnut, that was then, and this is now.

believe me, i was no fan of the primal or Ebonite, at that time.
but i don't believe in cutting your nose off to spite your face.

SIR, GOOD POINT, we have about 40' of shelf space devoted to cleaners and polish, scuff pads and abrolon pads. our customers get the message!!!!

next, what you said may be correct about the life of coverstocks, however, many highend bowlers, bowl for money. i have one customer who is on his 3rd BWPEARL, why. cause he has won boo koo money with it, so if it dies after so many games, no problem since he has won more then enough to cover the cost of that ball many times over, he simply buys another one.

now of course the average bowler will not be able to do this, and that is why we take the time to show them, not only whats out there to clean and maintain balls, but how to do it. which is why people like mr 15 minute guuny, make me sick. 1-2- and out. and he charges $30 for that. and pays no taxes.

we don't give our customer's the rush job.

six weeks ago a customer bought a Rising. in the first 3 weeks he made over $1600 with the ball. do you think if that ball dies after 60-70-80 games, he is going to cry??? thinking not.

now all this talk about Brunswick covers lasting, cracks me up.
for years they where known as 9-15 game balls. you could not duplicate the box finish on them, why, cause Brunswick would not tell you what was on the ball.
" a single rough buff, or a double ruff buff," wow. thanks to pro shops like me,
who called and called and complained about that, saying we need to know what is on the ball. guess what they have now.
HIGH GLOSS POLISH, RUFF BUFF POLISH, and they sell a ton of it.
and now people can maintain their Brunswick balls, just like they can do with Track, and Columbia, Ebonite, and Storm, cause those company have products out to maintain their coverstocks.
and those who use said products are usually please with the results!!!
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Mike Austin · « **Reply #40 on:** January 03, 2008, 11:50:10 AM »

jls/jiffypops- if I ever get divorced, I'm coming to work in your shop! I don't care if you do love the Cubs.

As far as ball death goes, try some Lane Master balls, they are some tough sum gunns.

There you go with "Remember The Alamo"!! I told you Texas is the center of the Universe. You did know the The Alamo is in Texas, didn't you?

Happy New Year!!

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jls · « **Reply #41 on:** January 03, 2008, 12:21:58 PM »

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jls/jiffypops- if I ever get divorced, I'm coming to work in your shop! I don't care if you do love the Cubs.

As far as ball death goes, try some Lane Master balls, they are some tough sum gunns.

There you go with "Remember The Alamo"!! I told you Texas is the center of the Universe. You did know the The Alamo is in Texas, didn't you?

Happy New Year!!

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are you kidding, Davy C. Fes Parker. my boy hood hero.
"born on a mountain top".

sure did!!!

is this a great country or what

Rmemeber the Alamo.
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Monster Pike · « **Reply #42 on:** January 03, 2008, 01:03:07 PM »

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jls
There you go with "Remember The Alamo"!! I told you Texas is the center of the Universe. You did know the The Alamo is in Texas, didn't you?

Happy New Year!!

MIKE AUSTIN

are you kidding, Davy C. Fes Parker. my boy hood hero.
"born on a mountain top".

sure did!!!

is this a great country or what

Rmemeber the Alamo.
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Don't forget Sam Bowie. The Bowie knife founder. But I did like the King of the Wild Frontier also. Real American Heroes!!

Remember the Alamo!!
Pearl Harbor Buddy!!
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