Post by: tdub36tjt on January 01, 2008, 04:43:07 AM
Post by: charlest on January 01, 2008, 01:26:31 PM
Nothing to hate about them. They kept the Columbia and Track name in operation for the Columbia and Track fans, when Columbia300 management didn't.
Personally, I wish Ebonite's own balls were such oil suckers, but that's the way it goes. Under their own brand name and Hammer's, which they also brought back from "death", they have quite a lot of fans. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been in shape to do what they did for (not, "to") Columbia300.
They don't, as near as I can tell, own half the bowling industry, while they do own quite a few good brand names.
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Post by: 1MechEng on January 01, 2008, 01:34:23 PM
Is there some specific post or thread that is leading you to the conclusion that you have drawn?
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Post by: NicholasE on January 01, 2008, 04:00:42 PM
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Post by: Matt Fortney on January 01, 2008, 04:45:11 PM
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Post by: sdbowler on January 01, 2008, 05:20:14 PM
Ebonite due to the whole price thing.
Brunswick seems to be for everything else.
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Post by: BallsDeep on January 01, 2008, 05:38:30 PM
As far as what they have done for the other companies under their control, it seems like nothing but positives. Hammer was faultering, and now they have a good high end line, great value at the raw hammer series price point, and one of the most successful lines with the Black Widows.
Track had some success with their stuff prior to ebonite buying them out, but the kinetic and temper have been pretty good, and the rising also looks good. Columbia underwent a great deal of difficulty with the bully line, and the action line has had mixed success. They have since come out with the rival and resurgence, both of which look quite good.
The only negative that I can see, is the strategic placement of these companies, though even this can be seen as a positive in some ways. Columbia doesn't have any asyms out right now and tends to have rollier equipment, while Track has more angular stuff. If one likes to mix and match companies, they can get a great variety of stuff, but if they want to stick to either Columbia or Track, their choices are a bit more limited (especially with Columbia and their symmetrical stuff that can not really be tuned like the asyms of Track).
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Post by: Sjf on January 01, 2008, 05:40:34 PM
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I wouldn't say that Ebonite has done anything for Hammer. They bought the name to sell more bowling balls with. When they slapped the Hammer name on a balling ball, they got an instant customer base from the old Faball fans. It's the same thing they did with Track and every other brand name they now control.
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WRONG SIR, when Ebonite bought hammer, it was at a time when we could not give a hammer away. now we stock 7 different hammer models, and they all sell.
as for Columbia or Track, both were selling very well when they were bought out by Ebonite. which was probably the reason Ebonite bought them.
and further more sir, another reason Columbia may have sold to Ebonite is EPA related!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh, you did not know that did you, did you notice that Ebonite moved out of Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why, why sir, when their was a modern plant in place.
Ebonite is doing a great job, and their new plan will help the whole industry.
Edited on 1/1/2008 6:42 PM
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Post by: nd300 on January 01, 2008, 05:48:29 PM
Maybe you've hit on the next best thing that Ebonite could do for themselves.....
You stated that Ebonite doesn't match up for you because they're pretty much big backend balls.
So why shouldn't they specialize the ball brand names they own??????
For example:
Ebonite---skid snap balls coverstocks/weight block designs
Hammer---heavy oiler balls,etc
Track---light/mediums
Columbia--arc equipment
Where AMF,Roto-Grip,and Dynothane would fit(if Ebonite owns those names also)I'm not sure.
Just a knee jerk reaction here............
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Post by: T Brockette on January 01, 2008, 05:49:53 PM
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oh, you did not know that did you, did you notice that Ebonite moved out of Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why, why sir, when their was a modern plant in place.
As someone who lived there when this took place, everyone I know was told that one of the reasons for the move was because the plant was too outdated. It was cheaper to move than to give the plant a makeover. Nobody I know in the business and that had been inside the plant considered it modern. I had been in the front offices several times, but not the plant area, but I couldn't have noticed a difference either way.
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Post by: Sjf on January 01, 2008, 05:53:33 PM
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oh, you did not know that did you, did you notice that Ebonite moved out of Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why, why sir, when their was a modern plant in place.
As someone who lived there when this took place, everyone I know was told that one of the reasons for the move was because the plant was too outdated. It was cheaper to move than to give the plant a makeover. Nobody I know in the business and that had been inside the plant considered it modern. I had been in the front offices several times, but not the plant area, but I couldn't have noticed a difference either way.
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sir, i have heard from people in the oil business, that there "may have been a EPA issue" with the land the plant was on. the cost of the cleanup may have been a factor in selling.
as for their sales at the time of the sale. i thought they were doing very well, at least in my area.
Post by: Sjf on January 01, 2008, 05:57:14 PM
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I think everyone hates on Ebonite. Its kind of funny to me. It seems like everyone looks for any reason to hate Ebonite they can think of. Probably because they own half of the bowling industry. Thats my guess. It doesn't really matter to me, people are gonna buy whatever they want. But most of the things that people complain about Ebonite for can either be avoided (ball death) or seem to be just to complain (raising prices for on-line stores).
sir, i don't think this compares as to when someone else move to Mexico.
then so many on this site went postal. saying things like they will never buy from they again etc. it did not happen, why, cause that company has good products. and it won't happen here either, why, cause Ebonie has good products.
Post by: scotts33 on January 01, 2008, 06:05:10 PM
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I used to like their stuff but I figured out angle on backends are not always a great thing. My biggest problem is all of the balls they make are skid/snap other then resurgence and maybe a few others I can't think of, but most is intended for big backends, while i know you can drill them for other things, they just do best with big backends.
But then in same tagline in sig..."MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!"
Ummmmm.....for the most part I see the same type of ball reaction from MoRich. Now that's funny...I don't care who you are.
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Post by: Sjf on January 01, 2008, 06:10:03 PM
quote:
Interesting comment on Ebonite.......quote:
I used to like their stuff but I figured out angle on backends are not always a great thing. My biggest problem is all of the balls they make are skid/snap other then resurgence and maybe a few others I can't think of, but most is intended for big backends, while i know you can drill them for other things, they just do best with big backends.
But then in same tagline in sig..."MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!"
Ummmmm.....for the most part I see the same type of ball reaction from MoRich. Now that's funny...I don't care who you are.
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Post by: Eddie M on January 01, 2008, 06:10:06 PM
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I wouldn't say that Ebonite has done anything for Hammer. They bought the name to sell more bowling balls with. When they slapped the Hammer name on a balling ball, they got an instant customer base from the old Faball fans. It's the same thing they did with Track and every other brand name they now control.
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WRONG SIR, when Ebonite bought hammer, it was at a time when we could not give a hammer away. now we stock 7 different hammer models, and they all sell.
as for Columbia or Track, both were selling very well when they were bought out by Ebonite. which was probably the reason Ebonite bought them.
and further more sir, another reason Columbia may have sold to Ebonite is EPA related!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh, you did not know that did you, did you notice that Ebonite moved out of Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why, why sir, when their was a modern plant in place.
Ebonite is doing a great job, and their new plan will help the whole industry.
Edited on 1/1/2008 6:42 PM
So you are saying that Ebonite didn't buy the Hammer name, and slap it on their own products? If Ebonite didn't think there was money to made with the Hammer name, they wouldn't have paid for it. Ebonite could have called the new brand anything they wanted, but they chose Hammer for a reason. Money.
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Post by: T Brockette on January 01, 2008, 06:15:18 PM
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sir, i have heard from people in the oil business, that there "may have been a EPA issue" with the land the plant was on. the cost of the cleanup may have been a factor in selling.
as for their sales at the time of the sale. i thought they were doing very well, at least in my area.
The land issue is a possibility. Just about everyone I know, that would know, said that they were not doing well at all.
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Post by: Gazoo on January 01, 2008, 06:22:35 PM
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Post by: Sjf on January 01, 2008, 06:24:06 PM
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I wouldn't say that Ebonite has done anything for Hammer. They bought the name to sell more bowling balls with. When they slapped the Hammer name on a balling ball, they got an instant customer base from the old Faball fans. It's the same thing they did with Track and every other brand name they now control.
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WRONG SIR, when Ebonite bought hammer, it was at a time when we could not give a hammer away. now we stock 7 different hammer models, and they all sell.
as for Columbia or Track, both were selling very well when they were bought out by Ebonite. which was probably the reason Ebonite bought them.
and further more sir, another reason Columbia may have sold to Ebonite is EPA related!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh, you did not know that did you, did you notice that Ebonite moved out of Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why, why sir, when their was a modern plant in place.
Ebonite is doing a great job, and their new plan will help the whole industry.
Edited on 1/1/2008 6:42 PM
So you are saying that Ebonite didn't buy the Hammer name, and slap it on their own products? If Ebonite didn't think there was money to made with the Hammer name, they wouldn't have paid for it. Ebonite could have called the new brand anything they wanted, but they chose Hammer for a reason. Money.
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Back the good ship lolly pop up here sir.
of course the Hammer name was bought for the name. what i said sir was this. at that period in time, Hammer's ball sales where flat.
Ebonite bought the company and then a new R & D was formed, and slowly but surely, the sales of Hammer Bowling balls began to rise.
under Ebonite, the Hammer Brand has done very well, in fact, never better in sales, in our shop.
now this differs fro the Columbia and Track buy out. in our area both Track and Columbia where doing very well at the time of the buyout. i can not speak for the whole country, but in our area, they where doing very well.
now to me there is two times to buy something, at full price, especially if it is a hot item, or on closeout, if it is a slow item, to me, columbia was doing well and i think Ebonite bought they at the right time. and as fot when they bought Hammer, to me, at least in our area, their sales where flat, a good brand name, but their sales where flat, so i think Ebonite made a good decision to buy them. at that time.
Post by: REVerse on January 01, 2008, 06:46:00 PM
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I wouldn't say that Ebonite has done anything for Hammer. They bought the name to sell more bowling balls with. When they slapped the Hammer name on a balling ball, they got an instant customer base from the old Faball fans. It's the same thing they did with Track and every other brand name they now control.
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quote:Good post Eddie. I was vocal about resetting the hit counter in the new Track and new Columbia forums because the balls/cores were no longer engineered by Columbia. There is still a Pre-Ebonite Hammer forum. -(Sorry off topic, oops)-Regardles, the Columbia/Track names could have been dumped in favor of new names. Same goes for Hammer. Regardless, all the mentioned names are really "Ebonite." Whatever the case, I hear the balls are good and... that is corporate America. It is all about the shrinking almighty USD. I don't hate Ebonite. They employ Americans. And no- you can't have my Brunswick equipment! Pass the guacamole please.
So you are saying that Ebonite didn't buy the Hammer name, and slap it on their own products? If Ebonite didn't think there was money to made with the Hammer name, they wouldn't have paid for it. Ebonite could have called the new brand anything they wanted, but they chose Hammer for a reason. Money.
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Post by: nextbowler on January 01, 2008, 07:26:18 PM
Post by: Slopsurprise on January 01, 2008, 09:27:13 PM
It is a big love/hate with them for me.
Post by: NicholasE on January 01, 2008, 09:42:17 PM
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Interesting comment on Ebonite.......quote:
I used to like their stuff but I figured out angle on backends are not always a great thing. My biggest problem is all of the balls they make are skid/snap other then resurgence and maybe a few others I can't think of, but most is intended for big backends, while i know you can drill them for other things, they just do best with big backends.
But then in same tagline in sig..."MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!"
Ummmmm.....for the most part I see the same type of ball reaction from MoRich. Now that's funny...I don't care who you are.
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Dead wrong! trust me Morich is NOTHING like ebonite. Thrown both and there is a big difference. Ebonite is a SKID/SNAP reaction. Morich is a HARD arc BIG DIFFERENCE!!
So before you start with the smart comments better try them out.
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Post by: NicholasE on January 01, 2008, 09:43:58 PM
quote:quote:
Interesting comment on Ebonite.......quote:
I used to like their stuff but I figured out angle on backends are not always a great thing. My biggest problem is all of the balls they make are skid/snap other then resurgence and maybe a few others I can't think of, but most is intended for big backends, while i know you can drill them for other things, they just do best with big backends.
But then in same tagline in sig..."MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!"
Ummmmm.....for the most part I see the same type of ball reaction from MoRich. Now that's funny...I don't care who you are.
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scott, he is probably another Big B groupie. that is what they do.
Matter as fact I don't like Big B one bit... Too much hype and their stuff doesn't work for me. Yeah they own Morich but they are different. Look in my profile and look at current arsenal...no Big B found huh?
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Post by: DON DRAPER on January 01, 2008, 09:51:27 PM
Post by: scotts33 on January 01, 2008, 09:57:42 PM
Just depends on how your technique matches up to lane condition and I have had a TS&A and have used some other older MoRich pieces.
All depends on how you lay out anything this day in age some balls will allow skid/snap others not. Some Ebonite stuff like thew SR300 is not skid/snap.
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Post by: NicholasE on January 01, 2008, 10:03:48 PM
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NsaneLevRG - Medium Track Sharp Break Point Drilling
Just depends on how your technique matches up to lane condition and I have had a TS&A and have used some other older MoRich pieces.
All depends on how you lay out anything this day in age some balls will allow skid/snap others not. Some Ebonite stuff like thew SR300 is not skid/snap.
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Nsane is intended for a sharp break point because Mo hasn't made one...at least no recently the Revs was a medium arch ball for me and finish just skids..not impressed with them, but like i said in my original post their balls are "intended" for backend but not all of them like resurgence, sr300, anger stuff like that...but they roll completly different for me.
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Post by: Slopsurprise on January 02, 2008, 07:46:29 AM
quote:quote:
Interesting comment on Ebonite.......quote:
I used to like their stuff but I figured out angle on backends are not always a great thing. My biggest problem is all of the balls they make are skid/snap other then resurgence and maybe a few others I can't think of, but most is intended for big backends, while i know you can drill them for other things, they just do best with big backends.
But then in same tagline in sig..."MoRich bowling - Better take some Viagra, you don't want to go soft throwing a MoRich!"
Ummmmm.....for the most part I see the same type of ball reaction from MoRich. Now that's funny...I don't care who you are.
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Dead wrong! trust me Morich is NOTHING like ebonite. Thrown both and there is a big difference. Ebonite is a SKID/SNAP reaction. Morich is a HARD arc BIG DIFFERENCE!!
So before you start with the smart comments better try them out.
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+1, Morich has the rolliest balls on the market. What Mo considers a flip, is an arc by other companies standards.
Post by: Slopsurprise on January 02, 2008, 07:50:16 AM
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NsaneLevRG - Medium Track Sharp Break Point Drilling
Just depends on how your technique matches up to lane condition and I have had a TS&A and have used some other older MoRich pieces.
All depends on how you lay out anything this day in age some balls will allow skid/snap others not. Some Ebonite stuff like thew SR300 is not skid/snap.
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I have had multiple Morich balls with numerous layouts. I also can change my axis rotation, speed, etc. Nothing flips! The closet thing Morich made that had a flip reaction was the Ravage. I dont care how you layout Morich's new lineup of balls, they are not going to flip and will not provide lots of recovery. They are made more for control or for fluffers to chuck them up the right side of the lane.
Post by: Brickguy221 on January 02, 2008, 09:28:44 AM
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They are made more for control or for fluffers to chuck them up the right side of the lane.
Based on that, they must be made for Walter Ray Williams Jr. then, as that is where he likes to chuck them.
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Post by: NicholasE on January 02, 2008, 09:39:21 AM
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They are made more for control or for fluffers to chuck them up the right side of the lane.
Going to have to disagree on that. I have nothing but morich and not one of them can I throw up the right side. I throw 17MPH avg with tons of revs (saying around 450 maybe more) and I have to play deep. There is no ball that I have seen in my center hook as near as much as my total shock & awe. On a fresh heavy oiled 40' house shot starting out with my TS&A at 400 grit I play left of center and push the ball out to about the 5 board and that thing just turns so hard.
On sport patterns like the shark I play up the right side and it just arcs right to the pocket. Its hard to use it on the shorter patterns because if it hits a dry board its going to change directions.
I have a video of it in my profile. Its the first one and Im a few boards left of center playing pretty deep and it recovers really well. I have another video of my polished TS&A drilled to go long and hook hard on the backend its the second one and neither of those are weak enough to throw up the right side even at 19MPH.
I think Mo's balls are very good for the higher rev and higher speed players.
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Post by: Juggernaut on January 02, 2008, 09:50:40 AM
I used to throw only ebonite. Then they started getting to "gimmiky" for me, coming out with what seemed like endless, stupidly named coverstocks ( Big Daddy, Mac Daddy, Who's your Daddy ( just kidding on that last one), etc....) that I got tired of trying to keep up with them and got to throwing a lot of brunswick and visionary stuff.
Haven't really used anything new from them ( ebonite) until I ended up with a gamebreaker in a trade and tried it out of curiosity. If I can make the cover last, this appears to be a really good ball.
I don't see how anyone could "HATE" a ball company. You either like the equipment and policies or not, and their policies are only a matter of opinion, aren't they?
Ebonite took advantage of the market and economy to expand their market share by absorbing the competition. This is one of the oldest ( and most successful ) marketing ploys ever. They now profit from name brands that used to be detrimental to their business. Columbia, Track, Hammer are all respected names in the industry and, when added to the market share and power that ebonite now wields in the industry, are only going to get more and more dominant.
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Post by: jls on January 02, 2008, 10:27:56 AM
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I can't remember. Was this the "ebonite most hated" thread or the "morich most hated thread"?
I used to throw only ebonite. Then they started getting to "gimmiky" for me, coming out with what seemed like endless, stupidly named coverstocks ( Big Daddy, Mac Daddy, Who's your Daddy ( just kidding on that last one), etc....) that I got tired of trying to keep up with them and got to throwing a lot of brunswick and visionary stuff.
Haven't really used anything new from them ( ebonite) until I ended up with a gamebreaker in a trade and tried it out of curiosity. If I can make the cover last, this appears to be a really good ball.
I don't see how anyone could "HATE" a ball company. You either like the equipment and policies or not, and their policies are only a matter of opinion, aren't they?
Ebonite took advantage of the market and economy to expand their market share by absorbing the competition. This is one of the oldest ( and most successful ) marketing ploys ever. They now profit from name brands that used to be detrimental to their business. Columbia, Track, Hammer are all respected names in the industry and, when added to the market share and power that ebonite now wields in the industry, are only going to get more and more dominant.
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jag, is that kinda sorta similar to when a company moves their plant to another country to use low cost labor???? do they kinda sorta do that to make more money????
isn't that another ploy big companies use.
well at least for the time being, most Ebonite balls are made here. yes some plastic are made in China, but most highend balls are made here.
but someday, it would not surprise me that all balls are made elsewhere.
after all, golf clubs are made in China.
and golfers still buy those $300 plus drivers!!!!
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Post by: golfnutFL on January 02, 2008, 04:52:58 PM
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Post by: Sjf on January 02, 2008, 08:07:13 PM
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I have just two words as to why I've stayed away from Ebonite for a long time....Primal Instinct!!
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golfnut, that was then, and this is now.
believe me, i was no fan of the primal or Ebonite, at that time.
but i don't believe in cutting your nose off to spite your face.
ever since the "ONE" Ebonite ia back!!!! and not stocking or selling them would be foolish for any pro shop.
last thurs, we had a record day for post Christams sales. 17 Ebonite balls, mixed between Track, Hammer,Columbia, and Ebonite. 2 Storm, and 1 Brunswick.
today 1-2-08, was the biggest day in sales for the year>>> ok today was the first day, for the new year, but sales where up 45% over this day last year.
and 1-2-07 was a big day!!!!
sold 4 hammers, 3 Tracks, 3 columbia's, 4 Ebonites. 0 Storm, 0 Brunswick.
and a whole bunch of bags!!!
point>>> Ebonite is selling right now, and i can honestly say, some of those sales, the customers called and asked for a particular ball.
to not stock them because of something that happened 38 months ago is foolish.
and now Ebonite is stepping up to the plate with their new pricing policy.
it's a good start.
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all i said was, Brunswick is now made in Mexico. standing a few feet away, and waiting to buy a ball, was 3 Mexicans!!!! a man, his wife and his son.
end of story, they bought an NVS, and a Kinetic.
Post by: golfnutFL on January 02, 2008, 09:25:16 PM
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I have just two words as to why I've stayed away from Ebonite for a long time....Primal Instinct!!
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golfnut, that was then, and this is now.
believe me, i was no fan of the primal or Ebonite, at that time.
but i don't believe in cutting your nose off to spite your face.
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Post by: jls on January 03, 2008, 08:43:48 AM
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For a pro shop that is the correct approach. For a long, long, long time ball consumer the Primal was merely the end...especially after the Apex series. Around here the Hammer balls are REALLY popular (widow series) but I think many are still leery of EBO. The One did well and then the Big One sullied Ebo's name again. I see quite a few of the NV series but I also hear way too much negativity regarding longevity. Few casual bowlers maintain their equipment, especially to the level that Ebo requires. I just don't see that problem with their Hammer stuff. Or Storm, RotoGrip, L/LM. That's an educated consumer's opinion. Maybe it's something that you need to pass along to your customers, Ebo balls need diligent maintenance.QuoteI have just two words as to why I've stayed away from Ebonite for a long time....Primal Instinct!!
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golfnut, that was then, and this is now.
believe me, i was no fan of the primal or Ebonite, at that time.
but i don't believe in cutting your nose off to spite your face.
SIR, GOOD POINT, we have about 40' of shelf space devoted to cleaners and polish, scuff pads and abrolon pads. our customers get the message!!!!
next, what you said may be correct about the life of coverstocks, however, many highend bowlers, bowl for money. i have one customer who is on his 3rd BWPEARL, why. cause he has won boo koo money with it, so if it dies after so many games, no problem since he has won more then enough to cover the cost of that ball many times over, he simply buys another one.
now of course the average bowler will not be able to do this, and that is why we take the time to show them, not only whats out there to clean and maintain balls, but how to do it. which is why people like mr 15 minute guuny, make me sick. 1-2- and out. and he charges $30 for that. and pays no taxes.
we don't give our customer's the rush job.
six weeks ago a customer bought a Rising. in the first 3 weeks he made over $1600 with the ball. do you think if that ball dies after 60-70-80 games, he is going to cry??? thinking not.
now all this talk about Brunswick covers lasting, cracks me up.
for years they where known as 9-15 game balls. you could not duplicate the box finish on them, why, cause Brunswick would not tell you what was on the ball.
" a single rough buff, or a double ruff buff," wow. thanks to pro shops like me,
who called and called and complained about that, saying we need to know what is on the ball. guess what they have now.
HIGH GLOSS POLISH, RUFF BUFF POLISH, and they sell a ton of it.
and now people can maintain their Brunswick balls, just like they can do with Track, and Columbia, Ebonite, and Storm, cause those company have products out to maintain their coverstocks.
and those who use said products are usually please with the results!!!
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Post by: Mike Austin on January 03, 2008, 11:50:10 AM
As far as ball death goes, try some Lane Master balls, they are some tough sum gunns.
There you go with "Remember The Alamo"!! I told you Texas is the center of the Universe. You did know the The Alamo is in Texas, didn't you?
Happy New Year!!
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Post by: jls on January 03, 2008, 12:21:58 PM
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jls/jiffypops- if I ever get divorced, I'm coming to work in your shop! I don't care if you do love the Cubs.
As far as ball death goes, try some Lane Master balls, they are some tough sum gunns.
There you go with "Remember The Alamo"!! I told you Texas is the center of the Universe. You did know the The Alamo is in Texas, didn't you?
Happy New Year!!
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are you kidding, Davy C. Fes Parker. my boy hood hero.
"born on a mountain top".
sure did!!!
is this a great country or what
Rmemeber the Alamo.
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Post by: Monster Pike on January 03, 2008, 01:03:07 PM
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jls
There you go with "Remember The Alamo"!! I told you Texas is the center of the Universe. You did know the The Alamo is in Texas, didn't you?
Happy New Year!!
MIKE AUSTIN
are you kidding, Davy C. Fes Parker. my boy hood hero.
"born on a mountain top".
sure did!!!
is this a great country or what
Rmemeber the Alamo.
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Don't forget Sam Bowie. The Bowie knife founder. But I did like the King of the Wild Frontier also. Real American Heroes!!
Remember the Alamo!!
Pearl Harbor Buddy!!
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Edited on 1/3/2008 2:04 PM