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Equipment Boards => Ebonite => Topic started by: bautch24 on August 18, 2014, 09:35:15 PM
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Sounds like it will be a polished hybrid with the Pivot core. Looking forward to this and can't wait to see how it stacks up to the Black Widow Legend. Any staff guys tossed this yet?
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Sounds like it will be a polished hybrid with the Pivot core. Looking forward to this and can't wait to see how it stacks up to the Black Widow Legend. Any staff guys tossed this yet?
I love the colour combination on this, as it reminds me of the Columbia Boss Pearl from the late 90s.
Looking at the numbers, this would appear to go straight against the BW Legend at OOB finish, though would slot under the Pivot Point.
If all three of those are still very strong balls, and its direct compliment in the Hammer line is for medium to heavy conditions, I wonder why this would be for medium only..
I'd love to see this against the Pivot and Pivot point, actually.
BL.
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Video is up on Youtube. That ball looks STRONG for a pearl. TJ threw at least 3 different lines with it, and that ball came back HARD.
Only problem I saw was that they compared it to the Energy Source, which is obviously going to be a weaker ball just because of the core alone. They also don't say much about the coverstock; in fact, they don't say anything at all.
I'm iffy on it, as I'd now love to see how it compares to the BW Legend.
BL.
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According to the Ebonite site it is a strong Hybrid, I would suspect an updated version of the Pivot but added polish. I'm willing to bet if you were to dull this to the same surface as the first Pivot it would be stronger.
http://www.ebonite.com/products/balls/high-performance/honor
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Should have one this week. 8)
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Should have one this week. 8)
If you have a Black Widow Legend, compare the two, please. Inquiring minds would love to see how they compare.
BL.
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Got Gamebreaker2 and Honor today. Can compare to original Gamebreaker as I have a few. Have not rolled a Hammer since test Deep Purple.
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Got Gamebreaker2 and Honor today. Can compare to original Gamebreaker as I have a few. Have not rolled a Hammer since test Deep Purple.
Have a Pivot or Pivot Point you could compare it to?
BL.
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Yep have rolled all the Ebonite balls for quite a while now. ;)
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Yep have rolled all the Ebonite balls for quite a while now. ;)
Where would you put this compared to the Legacy? That is my go to currently after the Pivot starts burning up. I do love the Legacy, have some of my best scores with that ball.
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Gamebreaker, Legacy and Energy Source are in the bag as of now. Will do some shakedown to compare this week.
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For me, Legacy seems smooth after rolling The Honor . Honor was very long on fresh. Was a little over/ under. Pivot and Pivot Point way earlier .
A/C was down. Hard to be think about shots with all the folks asking me why is it so hot in here. Our house is know to be chilly.
Honor will be great on medium and later play patterns.
Gamebreaker 2 will be next week.
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For me, Legacy seems smooth after rolling The Honor . Honor was very long on fresh. Was a little over/ under. Pivot and Pivot Point way earlier .
A/C was down. Hard to be think about shots with all the folks asking me why is it so hot in here. Our house is know to be chilly.
Honor will be great on medium and later play patterns.
Gamebreaker 2 will be next week.
Hmm interesting. Sounds like less ball then the Legend would be. I know you said it has a different motion than the Legacy, but were they about the same in boards covered. Could you post a pic of your layout? Thanks.
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Pin below ring finger, CG kicked out 45 degrees. Balance hole 6 inches over 2 inches down. This ball is not for heavy oil patterns. Pivot takes care of that.
More testing later.
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Pin below ring finger, CG kicked out 45 degrees. Balance hole 6 inches over 2 inches down. This ball is not for heavy oil patterns. Pivot takes care of that.
More testing later.
Is this the same layout of your Pivot, or something similar?
BL.
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Pivot is an inch over, low hole.
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How does the Honor compare to the Energy Source and Pivot Point? So far it seems like the Honor would be longer and more angular than both?
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For me, Honor was longer and sharper than Energy Source.
Have not touched surface on Honor, Energy Source has a few games
and has some of the Polish taken off.
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The Honor gives me a totally different shape than the Energy Source, but that was the plan. Here are my thoughts:
The Honor has been a welcomed addition to my bag this season, especially in league.
For those who understand the technical stuff, it is drilled 45x5x40 with a low extra hole. For everyone else, it is drilled to provide me a nice arc-y motion and works best when there’s a good amount of friction to the outside.
It rolls a little bit earlier, but the box surface (500, 500, 500, 1000 Abralon w/ Factory Finish) gives it a little more length and allows it to store some energy.
On a house pattern, or when the lanes open up later in a block, the Honor allows me to move right (I am left-handed) and throw the ball to the spot. I find the shape similar to my Innovate, but it’s a bit stronger down the lane.
At some of the local houses, the Innovate is the right choice when the pattern is fresh, but it doesn’t take long for lanes to tighten up. If I want to sacrifice the entry angle, I can move left and play straighter, or I can keep the line and angle with the Honor, which will be more responsive on the backend.
I haven’t had to adjust the surface at all with the Honor.
On more challenging patterns, like at the PBA regionals in the Southwest, I have not used the Honor much. I prefer to play the lanes a little safer and straighter and use balls with some surface. That smooths out the reaction. The Honor is not the choice for this.
With less traffic on my side and newer oils that don’t break down as much, the lanes don’t usually open up enough during an eight-game block for the Honor.
I am looking forward to the release of the new Code of Honor because I am hoping to duplicate the shape on heavier patterns.
Matt Cannizzaro
Ebonite Regional Staff