Post by: Balldoctor on February 13, 2012, 01:35:33 PM
Drilled up the S minutes before league. 658 for the night. Had a few in a row, second game.
Very controllable arc with great Hit.
Mr. Pursuit(A) you are next, my friend.
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Post by: billdozer on February 13, 2012, 10:12:42 PM
Don't throw strikes, throw BOLTS!
Post by: Curt_Dupre on February 14, 2012, 12:01:11 AM
Considering they are not out, I highly doubt he paid for the balls. Second what is your beef with Ebonite? Brunswick has come out with 3 High Performance balls within 3 months of each other. Every company comes out with new releases every other month go bash all of them. It's not just one. And honestly it is called business. If you had a ball come out and sales dropped after a month or so, then I would want to replace it with a new one that would sell.
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Post by: Dave81644 on February 14, 2012, 05:27:43 AM
I see plenty of people dropping $250+ for nexus, nanos, etc around here.
Who cares how much they spend if it makes them happy.
Doesn't mean you are any better or worse off because of it.
Let the man drill up 10 of them if he wants.
quit your trolling...................
Post by: EboKnight on February 14, 2012, 09:17:04 AM
thank you!!!!!
we have a winner!!!!
every company has "flops"
Ebonite gets a bad wrap because ppl know about them.
even if you dont like EboInt, your still talking about them :) (thanks for the advertising)
Brunswick rolls out, Storm covers die die die, everyone has an opinion. its there right.
just keep bowling with what you like and do your best.
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Post by: Balldoctor on February 14, 2012, 09:46:41 AM
On March 6, dozer will get his chance at one. At 57 years old with a bad back and many jobs, bowling once a week, I will take a 260 games at my Center. If you bowled here, so would you.
Don't be Envious, just Pursue good bowling.
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Post by: billdozer on February 14, 2012, 12:13:34 PM
Don't throw strikes, throw BOLTS!
Post by: Balldoctor on February 14, 2012, 02:46:17 PM
No apology needed. You gave your views. Others gave their views.
It is nice to see discussions about BOWLING with out resorting to name calling
and cursing.
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Post by: bwell371 on February 16, 2012, 01:04:56 AM
hold on, time out. billdozer did you read your post before submitting it? you state that your well respected in nw ind because your a great bowler, you own & operate a pro shop, so i would assume you have been bowling for atleast 20 years. i for 1 find it extremely hard to believe in 20 years you have not thrown a ball that didnt match up to your game. thats all please continue.
Post by: jaydee on February 16, 2012, 06:42:44 AM
I don't think you read him correctly. He's so good that he doesn't even need to throw a ball (like the Pursuit) or even wait for the release date to watch others, to know if it's good or not. He can just look at the marketing material and price and he knows, he's that good. That's why everyone goes to him for his recommendations. Let's just leave it at that.
OP, keep the info coming. I'm curious to see if the two balls react noticably different. If I'm reading this right, they have the same cover and same basic core shape, but the one is slightly asymmetrical (0.008). Seems like the difference will be pretty minor and most bowlers would have a difficult time justifying the purchase of both of them.
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Post by: billdozer on February 16, 2012, 07:10:58 AM
Don't throw strikes, throw BOLTS!
Post by: completebowler on February 16, 2012, 07:34:49 AM
Don't forget...Defiant is only a few weeks on the market and the Vivid will be out March first...
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Post by: completebowler on February 16, 2012, 07:43:28 AM
And yet you have 20 top end HP balls pictured in your arsenal including 3 of the 4 Missions?
They are marketing to you dude. You're the guy they want to sell these to.
Not trying to be degrading to you....I'm the same way. I like to try out the new releases so that when customer walk in I can give them an honest opinion. But if you are reccomending stuff to people without even giving a ball like the Pursuit a chance then you are doing them a disservice.
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Post by: stopncrank on February 16, 2012, 08:03:58 AM
I think the problem is companies don't give their products enough time to sale. Last year for example, within a 6 month period just in the Columbia brand there was the World Beater, the Pure Physics and the Ransom Demand. Im no expert and will never claim to be, but those three balls can cover pretty much the same condition with drilling and surface tweaks. Don't take that as a shot at Columbia or EBI, it was just an example.
The problem with bowling balls is alot like computers now days, why buy ball x today when 2 weeks later that same company is gonna push ball z in our face that hooks more than ball x.
To me it seems that all the companies need to take a step back and put quality ahead of quantity again. I'd much rather buy a ball that has been researched and developed to death before it hits the market than one that has just been pushed out because the previous model was a flop. That seems to create the problem much more than solving it, imo.
All this along with all the floor level pricing makes it seem shady to some folks, when thats most likely not the intent of the manufacturer at all. If the customer feels taken advantage of, that makes the situation worse.
Still taking your lunch money one strike at a time....
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Post by: storm making it rain on February 16, 2012, 08:24:28 AM
First and foremost I'm a Storm/Roto Grip guy, for some reason they just match up with me better. I've had success with Ebonite stuff (the One and the TNV) but I like Storm better. That being said I think all companies roll out a ton of balls these days, what I like to see is a popular/performing ball stay in the product line. IMO this is where Storm is above the rest. If you look at the last few years their shelf life is greater than any other brand. The Hyroad, Virtual Gravity, and many others stayed in the their respective line for more than 3-4 months ( i mean jeez the Hyroad is still in the product line) I don't believe any other manufacturer can say that about any of their balls.
Not really on topic to the OP, but just my 2 cents on some of the posts
Post by: batbowler on February 16, 2012, 09:38:08 AM
Plus, how can you go wrong with Jeff Putty and Tony Churchey advertising for you!!! They both could strike if you drilled them a big rock!!! lol They are both awesome bowlers and I bowl with Tony in Senior tournaments and Jeff Putty bowls in the Friday night league I bowl in at Clarksville, TN.
Train a child up in the way they should go and when they are old they will do some "Damn Good Bowling", be a "DV8" and not turn from it, besides bowling starts with a Big B!
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Post by: dmonroe814 on February 16, 2012, 09:46:57 AM
I don't know about other people, but I have been bowling for 52 years. I have never been able to drill up a ball right before league, then go out an roll an honor score. C300 was OK, but I had to add some friction before it worked right. Storm VG Nano almost ended up in the Garage before found the right line to throw a 795. The C300 Outburst was good, but no honor scores until the 3rd week when I rolled a 300. This is what happens to me, but a friend of mine wants to buy a new one every week, because when he buys a new ball, he almost always throws an honor score the first time he rolls with it. It doesn't bother me that the manufacturers are coming out with new balls every week. If a new ball comes out and it fills a gap in my bowling, I might buy it. If it doesn't then I keep the plastic in my pants. I haven't received a check from Storm, Ebonite, Burnswick or any other company, so I don't feel obligated to buy any of their equipment. If I need it, I buy it. If I don't need it and someone tells me how great it is, then I say, "glad you like it. Good Luck"
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Post by: billdozer on February 16, 2012, 10:23:39 AM
AND no I don't feel bad about expressing my thoughts, ebo can start backing up what they are quoted in saying....they earned the reputation they got....look at history...cuz it can repeat itself...if you let it.
Don't throw strikes, throw BOLTS!
Edited by billdozer on 2/16/2012 at 11:52 AM
Edited by billdozer on 2/16/2012 at 11:58 AM
Post by: The Bowlers Edge 2 on February 16, 2012, 01:19:32 PM
just my two cents.... these balls aren't ment for customers to buy "one of each" like you say. they're targeted towards 2 different markets. You'd be amazed how many people want a high end ball, but won't buy one because the core are mostly aysm.... People that like them will get them, those that want sym will get the s. I personally will be stocking both and fully expect both to be good sells.
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Post by: ChrisH on February 16, 2012, 02:19:17 PM
The Bowlers Edge 2 just hit the nail on the head. I don't think Ebonite wants everyone to buy both. They are making the Pursuit for the "stroker" and Pursuit-S for the "cranker". I have both and the Pursuit-S suits my style better. Why is everyone bashing on EBI for making these 2 balls. Golf club makers have been doing this for years. They make a regular model driver, offset model and tour model. Cutomers like options or they wouldn't make some many different models.
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Post by: Balldoctor on February 16, 2012, 10:57:43 PM
Well, blow me down. The TWO NEW BALLS are made for two different styles.
Is that what Dozer in a tiff about.? The ads clearly ask, WHICH ARE YOU?
The S is for more down and in styles? The Pursuit is for much more movement , coast to coast styles.
Lucky Us, we get to try and allow other Bowlers a chance to Demo.
That can't be bad?
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Post by: billdozer on February 17, 2012, 07:53:57 AM
I'm not going to feel the effects...I just don't agree with the whole idea, you get your stuff for free doctor...you wouldn't understand. Save bowling my foot.
I had a silver lining in my previous post, I said 2 pros won with the ball, I hope it does well...I'm just not excited about the future to come. Learn to read. I'm done apologizing...unlike you I "buy" all the crap ebo has made
Both killer instincts, xcels, striking motion...there's plenty more
Ed g. Was quoted in saying " we made a lot of bad balls in the past, we pushed em out too quickly...."
This was right before the mission, he promised that the mission was going to be awesome. So hopefully the pursuit is as well! Tell me why he's also quoted in saying we are going to make less balls? And now they're releasing in twos again? He doesn't make sense there. Idk hopefully this ball can do what the mission did for the masses cuz its got big shoes to fill.
Don't throw strikes, throw BOLTS!
Post by: LuckyLefty on February 17, 2012, 09:32:00 AM
No Mercy Beatn Love affair continues for this bowler! Awesome nearly every oily lane day for 4 years. So strong still I'm afraid to oil revive it, AND I bought it used!
Like my Xcel pearl also as did many of the old men I saw tearing it up with it.
Regards,
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Post by: Balldoctor on February 17, 2012, 08:27:28 PM
The Staff Balls are not free. All Staffers work very hard to promote and help sell The Ebonite Brand.
I am very proud of my association with Bob, Ed, and Steve.
Again, we are having a civilized discussion, that is rare on here. I commend all involved.
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Post by: Balldoctor on February 19, 2012, 05:35:30 PM
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Post by: ambi1 on February 20, 2012, 12:01:40 AM
V2 line
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Post by: ambi1 on February 20, 2012, 12:13:15 AM
And as a matter of fact, the 3 models (now 5 if you count the x and mission 3.0,) of the mission do react differently. Not really into the socio-politcal-financial angle here. Just the bowling.
original checks up faster, not as big a hook as the 2. the 2 behaves more of a pearl than the original for me, can really swing it, but not so good with reading friction as the 1, the 250k is like a mission 2 on steriods. very good continuation.
I do agree that there is overlap, specially if you know how to adjust lines, speed and releases.
regards
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Post by: Balldoctor on February 27, 2012, 08:21:38 PM
Finally got a chance to try the Pursuit on league tonight. Managed a 220 something with two opens.
Lane 1 hooks, lane 2 not so much. Wrong ball to throw but new ball-itis got in the way.
Coast to coast, maybe not for me but MUCH HOOK across the lanes.
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Post by: Balldoctor on February 28, 2012, 09:44:30 PM
Bowled again tonight. My new customers on Tuesday have not watched me bowl.
Five came up and said, didn't know you bowled.
Folks that have known me for years, joked it up, not in the shop tonight.?
Not cleaning up? Not in concession? Hey, my approaches stick.
Started with the front 4 with the Pursuit, opened the tenth. 2 teen.
Switched to the S, 2 oh something, opened tenth.
Switched back to Puruit,190 something, two opens .
Can say, I liked the S more tonight.
The Pursuit gets down the lane and makes the turn.
Had more control with the S.
Which Bowler are you?
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Post by: billdozer on February 28, 2012, 11:54:49 PM
Don't throw strikes, throw BOLTS!
Post by: Balldoctor on March 03, 2012, 12:13:18 PM
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Post by: Doug Sterner on March 07, 2012, 10:55:03 PM
I am not a huge Ebo fan...I had a red Mission and thought it was OK but nothing to write home about. I loved the Gamebreaker (who didn't???) and a few of the older balls were great but the newer highend stuff has pretty much blown chunks for most people.
I went to the seminar and I have both balls sitting on the shelf. If you pay attention to the science they show in the marketing, there is a lot of new here...new core, new cover, new finishing process and a general whole new concept.
I watched several guys throw them and yes, they hooked, but with the 800/1500 Abranet surface on them and Adrenaline treatment, I would be shocked if they didn't!!! The new coverstock has deeper voids which aids in olil absorption....but should also make it easier to get the oil back out as well.
I put my order in for a couple of each ball since the price reduction through the seminar made them no more expensive than a Storm or Brunswick HP ball. Time will tell.
I give Ebonite props for one thing though....they realized and admitted they had a huge void in their HP ball line and they moved outside of the box to try and fill it....kudos to them..lets see how successful their thinking was.
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Post by: Jim Lewis on March 09, 2012, 12:58:10 PM
Is there a reason for BallreviewsDOTcom not having the Pursuit/Pursuit-S/Warning Sign listed for ball reviews?
Both Pursuit's perform well for me. The asymmetric Pursuit has a sharper midlane response than any Mission, and the coverstock is significantly improved for handling oil, however 800-1500 finish plus the chemical treatment will make a ball user-friendly on larger volumes of oil.
Jim Lewis
Sports Plus/Carmen Don Pro Shop
Ebonite International Amateur Staff
Post by: Balldoctor on March 09, 2012, 08:54:47 PM
Great and positive comments. All the guys who have tried like them equally. That is why there are two?
Which Bowler are YOU?
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Post by: Siu Bing on March 10, 2012, 10:45:43 AM
Post by: Balldoctor on March 12, 2012, 01:26:22 AM
Remember, ALL BOWLING IS LOCAL!
Post by: Siu Bing on March 12, 2012, 02:26:32 AM
planning to drill a pursuit but have no idea on the layout, so thinking should i use the same layout on the defiant.
i know it's hard to compare, just see if anyone have tried both 