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toomanytenpins

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mission,no offense intended to anyone
« on: February 21, 2010, 09:45:08 PM »
I have a mission and i must have it drilled wrong so i am looking for advice. My ball is just the opposite of everything i am reading.Drilled pin under bridge mb 45 degrees which put the pin 4,1/2 inches from pap as i was told. My pap 4,5/16x1/2 up.I throw 12 to 14 mph based on lane equipment readings,and i am right handed. This ball, as it is,for me,is best on short 2nd shift shots. I was able to swing 25 to five on this type shot with no problem,with room to miss.On fresher longer shots it wont finish playing up 15. Its just not reading the pattern. I see its potential on broken down patterns,but its no first game ball and this is contrary to what i have seen and red.I am not going to sell it ,but i want to know how i should have it drilled so i might benefit from its prowess.
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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2010, 07:36:58 PM »
With that low of  ball speed you need a larger first angle to retain energy when you try to play the track early it burns up, when you play inside late you are in the puddle of a typical ths and then if you get it right to the friction it burns up enough to stay in the pocket and the pin down allows it to rev earlir in the oil. if you shine it it may work better in the friction early. Are you bowling on wood or synthetics
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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2010, 08:48:47 PM »
Make sure it dont have to much finger weight
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stormed1

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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2010, 09:50:44 PM »
I am going to be bowling with him (toomanytenpins) tomorrow to see what is happening with the ball as far as reaction goes. I plan on bringing a couple balls of mine to get a read on the conditions.
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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2010, 10:52:33 AM »
I've drilled two of them so far. I have not found these ball to be first shift balls either. They are not bad balls by any means. Infact I would say its the best ball since the gamebreaker. However I love my gamebreakers much better.
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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2010, 11:02:53 PM »
I don't know my drill angles or much, but I drilled my Mission 4x4, with a 1 inch pin buffer.  The ball was very squirty on fresh THS, but it owned on a second shift.  I find this ball to be a bit sensitive to carrydown, but very forgiving when the lane opens up.
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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2010, 11:04:27 PM »
toomanytenpins,

During a recent seminar I attended my Mo Pinel in PA, this exact topic was discussed.  Simply put, having the pin below the fingers will provide an inconsistent ball reaction and will weaken the overall ball reaction.  It was suggested and proven that if you would like to have a more consistent ball reaction, you should keep the pin in a higher position, like besides the fingers or above them as you are looking at the ball.  I recently drilled a Seige for a local bowler and I put the pin under the finger and he did not like it.  I then drilled a C system 3.5 with the pin in a higher position and he can't keep his hand out of the ball and has already won money with it.  I know that every customer is different and my personal findings don't prove anything, but it will be a long time before I drill a ball with the pin under the fingers again, FOR SURE.
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toomanytenpins

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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2010, 10:41:12 AM »
finally someone else not seeing the beast everyone is ranting about
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LuckyLefty

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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2010, 10:55:30 AM »
I didn't realize the mission was a beast.

From what I saw on TV in Kelly Kulick's and Michael Fagan's hands it looked like a strong midlane ball with a very controllable backend.  Perfect for a backend flying, touchy tour pattern!

Your dirlling takes out a lot more of the backend.  Making it a real smooth backend performer.  Drilled straighter up would probably have worked better.
As stated above with a smooth backend by design and the backend drilled out of it you better play straighter and or NOT play so far inside or you will end up indeed being....

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Joe Jr

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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2010, 12:09:52 PM »
Oh really, toomanytenpins drilled another strong high end ball and can't get it to hook? Theirs a shocker...
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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2010, 12:23:15 PM »
http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=15&BallID=861&ReviewID=29131

Sounds eerily similar.
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nospareball

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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2010, 06:06:28 PM »
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I have a mission and i must have it drilled wrong so i am looking for advice. My ball is just the opposite of everything i am reading.Drilled pin under bridge mb 45 degrees which put the pin 4,1/2 inches from pap as i was told. My pap 4,5/16x1/2 up.I throw 12 to 14 mph based on lane equipment readings,and i am right handed. This ball, as it is,for me,is best on short 2nd shift shots. I was able to swing 25 to five on this type shot with no problem,with room to miss.On fresher longer shots it wont finish playing up 15. Its just not reading the pattern. I see its potential on broken down patterns,but its no first game ball and this is contrary to what i have seen and red.I am not going to sell it ,but i want to know how i should have it drilled so i might benefit from its prowess.
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Sounds like you have problems with a lot of high end balls from what I've read of you lately.

First off, you say you have to play up 15 on a fresh shot, and can swing it from 5th arrow out to 5 on a broken down shot.  Are you sure that up 15 is where you had to play?  That's pretty extreme, you really shouldn't need to play there on a house shot, with any ball.

Second, that drilling isn't anything crazy, and while you would see more backend with pin up and a larger angle, I don't see it as being the main problem.

Lastly, if you have trouble with strong asymmetrical balls like the Mutant, Cell, and Mission, stop buying those kind of balls!  With your speed you don't need the strong stuff to get movement.  If your Fast works great with a long pin-pap distance, then stick with the weaker cover/core combos.
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toomanytenpins

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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2010, 06:05:05 AM »
someone is paying too much attention to me,cell post.I think its not so much the balls as it is how i am having them drilled,i.e,cell.I had the cell redrilled and it as it wasnt a beast it was much better with the pin up 4in pin to pap and the mb probably was about 60 degrees val tp mb. Guess i should have learned then huh,never again. 30x4x20 ,hows that sound
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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2010, 07:56:05 PM »
sorry to high jack but i am also having a bit of trouble with my mission

The problem right now for me is a lot of 10 pins no matter what i do.  I tried many hand positions and speeds but i don't get the amazing carry people are talking about.  I have no problem with the ball hooking as i have a lot of room for error to hit the pocket, but always come up short with a ten pin.  My rev rate is about 275-325 about 14-15 mph. Drilled pin above and to the right a little. I think its 4x4x2. Should i give it a couple more games to break in (have like 6 games) or change the surface. Thanks
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chatnboy

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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2010, 09:14:14 PM »
this is where your brick and mortar QUALITY pro shop guy comes into play!!!my pro shop guy would watch me throw my new ball....and then make adjustments as needed!!!if your driller is a compentent one...he should be able to watch you throw the ball and make suggestions.hope you find out whats up with that ball because everyone i see that has one is ripping the rack!!!
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toomanytenpins

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Re: mission,no offense intended to anyone
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2010, 06:04:16 AM »
stormed 1 changed the surface of my mission. I think he said he went 500 2000.Any way i am sure he will respond ,but it made a very drastic difference in the ball. Now the ball reads and finishes as i hoped it would. It responds well to more or less tilt and the 10 pins i was leaving before seem to be gone. When the lanes are fresher i have to get more crank on it,as the lanes break down just had to change my release. I am liking it more with the surface change,at least now i can get a read so i know what i can or cant do with it.thanks B.
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