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toomanytenpins

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my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« on: June 10, 2006, 05:13:23 PM »
this freakin thing blows i have taken the surface down to 2000 and it is still half the ball it was when i first threw it. I cant depend on it to do anything but not carry and it does that consistently. Now i am gonna spend another 70 redrilling it. I need some suggestions. I am a 3/4 roller tweener and am now throwing the ball between 15 and 16.5 mph. it is set up with the pin below the ring finger with the pin cg and mb in line towards 4:00 with a weight hole just inside the mb ,about an inch between them.
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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2006, 02:30:09 PM »
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My One quit on me, I threw it in the revivor for about 10 minutes, good as new.  My dad hasn't had any problems with his Big One.


Funny just got into it with another bowler this morning that he hearing people with the one ball saying they die and we were talking about how nobody says the big one dies out. I just got another new the one today pin high and mb next to the thumb, i hated the first one ball i had which was weaker pin over bridge and mb stronger it was an over under nightmare. This new one ball rolls prefect for me on a heavier medium shot, revs in the heads hit the dry and off it goes.
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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2006, 02:55:11 PM »
ugh, I can't read this thread anymore, I want to shoot myself
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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2006, 03:43:11 PM »
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The only layout any of the One series doesn;t work is the PIN under layout. For some reason NO one has a issue with the ball if the PIN position is above the finger, but most don;t like the PIN under layout as the performance is nothing special. Hope someone from Ebonite can explain why this core/cover combination doesn't work with the PIN under layout


WHy the hell did you keep capitalizing PIN??????????


It's an acronym for Point Is Nonsense.
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toomanytenpins

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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2006, 05:27:54 PM »
wow where do i begin. lets say that I have had success with something of late and lets say for the sake of argument that even though i have hated just about everything I have thrown I have come to realix=ze and appreciate the value of what i have that is worth something. Yesterday i was shooting on a freshly oiled xmas tree 42 feet new synthetic lanes. And just like any other time since the first time i have thrown this ball its performance has been less than stellar. May favorite ball right now is my phenom unleashed, polished short pin drilled stacked.My thing is that as much as i love my phenom, its not a heavy oil ball . How do i know ,cause when i throw it and the back end is weak or there is a lack of recovery. So that is when i would want to go to something heavier, the big one . But I get the same if not less reaction from the big one on the same pattern . I also tried my oracle and had the same effect.
  The reason i had the ball drilled as i did was the guy who drilled it had one ,he let me throw his and it was exactly what i wanted and needed. No burnup and a strong smooth continuous arc to the pocket, from anywhere. Alas i digress ,just like my addiction. Now mind you I have been practicing and my ball speed and rev rate are up a tad. I am throwing the ball much better and my speed is up around 16,where it was 13 a month ago. Now it seems the only way i can get this thing to face up is to throw it slow, but not even that works as it should. I couldnt carry up the boards in the drier part of the lane and it wouldnt face the pocket in the oilier part of the lane. 10 pin 8 pin 7 pin over and over . Move left washout,move right nose. I ended up playing up 10 with my assassin. Nothing to brag about ,but I was happier with that then what the big one was giving me. Whats really funny is that the start of a game on fresh oil the ball clears the heads recovers and carries soon as the game starts washout.
   I probably wouldnt complain as much if i had never seen the ball work. I have seen it work and shine. Glimpses of greatness. Ok I am sure you could blame me except that i can find a shot with other equipment on varying lane conditions.I dont know maybe its like i said earlier the ball is just way better than i am . Maybe I will quit trying to use it and making it look so bad. But honestly speaking I see many of them on the lanes these days,but i dont see many of them recording the big scores.
   If I polish it wont i just have another polished heavy oil ball that i cant use in heavy oil.I went there with the wmb,the oracle the addiction and the phenom unleashed. the unleashed is the only one it worked with. I really dont need another one.
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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2006, 07:00:52 PM »
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Yesterday i was shooting on a freshly oiled xmas tree 42 feet new synthetic lanes. And just like any other time since the first time i have thrown this ball its performance has been less than stellar. May favorite ball right now is my phenom unleashed, polished short pin drilled stacked.My thing is that as much as i love my phenom, its not a heavy oil ball . How do i know ,cause when i throw it and the back end is weak or there is a lack of recovery. So that is when i would want to go to something heavier, the big one.

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42' fresh xmas tree is probably just a typical house shot.  It certainly doesn't sound like something I'd want/need a big oiler on.  Most balls that can handle a lot of oil aren't balls you want to cover a ton of boards with.  Because they use up so much energy up front, there is usually not much left in the tank for the breakpoint if they are thrown wide, unless you have a ton of head oil, a lot of ball speed, or a lot of axis rotation.  When there is a lack of recovery or weak backends with an already strong ball, you probably want something weaker, not stronger.

A good read:

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=20852&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5
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toomanytenpins

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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2006, 09:34:48 PM »
my big thing about this ball is that oob it was awsome incredible even miraculous if you will ,but after 6 or so games its the worst thing in my bag. where i couldnt throw it past the break point and it would carry the world now if it isnt a dead nuts perfect shot i can count on a single pin and recovery is an urban myth.Its like the ,excuse the pun,"big one ",that got away.
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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2006, 12:17:58 PM »
it sounds like you had a carrydown type of drilling on that ball,
and if your not on carrydown,  the ball is probably rolling out,
have it re-drilled with the mb a lttle closer to your thumb,  maybe 1 to 1 1/2
inch's right of your thumb.
than redo the cover,  start with a 500 pad, 1000, 2000, etc, untill you get it to where you want it.

good luck
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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2006, 12:34:14 PM »
INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE WEIGHT HOLE TO 1 1/2" DRILL ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BALL.  PUT A LAMP FIXTURE ON ONE END OF THE HOLE AND A BASE ON THE OTHER .  MAKE SURE YOU LEAVE ROOM FOR THE CORD SO YOU CAN PLUG IT IN.

WHAT I MEAN TO SAY IS....SELL IT OR THROW IT AWAY AND GO TO A SHOP THAT KNOWS HOW TO READ AN AXIS.
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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2006, 12:37:02 PM »
Looking at your profile and your average you would probably be best served to find a coach and work on strengthening your fundamentals. I am assuming your bowling on a THS and with that average on those types of conditions you need help on your game not your equipment.

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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2006, 12:47:38 PM »
This thread has a funny title.
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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2006, 02:27:41 PM »
I think Billy Ray is wrong just because you do not average 220 does not mean you do know or do not know what a ball should do???  I have not used Billy so i cannot say good or bad about him but too slam somebody because you are a good bowler is just BS!!! I laugh at the clowns that come out here for high rollers that are supposed to be so good and donate there money tournament after tournament, i live in vegas. I am not saying Billy ray is not a great driller or Bowler but i am saying get off your high horse and actually help this guy out you pro shop guys on here can gain new clients instead of bag them.

ps-show some love here not hate or get lost!!! If you cannot the poster out then maybe you should not answer this post!!
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Greg T

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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2006, 03:57:13 PM »

 That ball did not change in 6 games. My The One died prematurely but that was in about 30 games. You're not going to get a ball to die in 6 games. My guess is that the house changed the shot you are in a slump. Bad mechanics will cause this too ya know.


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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2006, 05:25:22 PM »
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I am not saying Billy ray is not a great driller or Bowler but i am saying get off your high horse and actually help this guy out you pro shop guys on here can gain new clients instead of bag them.



It's hard to help someone out when they say "(xxx) ball sucks I don't care what anyone says"...... he should have known backlash was coming.  Plus when you look at all the replies he actually got an overdose of knowledge about layouts and when to use a certain ball on a certain condition.  It all depends on if he and others want to absorb it or not.
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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2006, 06:23:01 PM »
You know i frequent this site because basically bowling is my hobby my side car to life if you will .There are some people that have been trully positve in there efforts to help and some that just seem preterbed that a lowly 191 bowler would even bother to enter your site. But i guess you get good and bad with all things.I read every tread and the things that I have read good and bad i take into consideration and I thank you all,believe me if i didnt want feedback I wouldnt type.Maybe in my rant of the title I was abrasive and i was a littlte bemused when i wrote it ,but i did write it with the intent of getting positive and helpful feedback.I am sorry for upsetting anyone if i did that please forgive me. No ball is any better than the person throwing it, and when i started this tread i did say," my big one ",not," the big one ".
   In hopefully ending this thing on a good note I think I have realized my flaw. It appears to me and this is just my speculation that with this drilling you need to get a higher track on the ball in order for it to roll towards the pocket and for me it means to stay inside the ball with the fingers. This changed the characteristics of the ball immensely. So once again probably not the ball ,but the bowler and no I dont have nor am I going to get a coach. I have no intent of going pro,or even going to the hammtramic hoinke or any other tourney, its a game and i considered this site a brother hood if you will for bowlers novice and the like,but i guess i was wrong there too according to some. I dont want to get a coach to get so good that i might look down on a lower averaged bowler asking for help.
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Re: my big one sucks i dont care what anyone says
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2006, 01:26:12 AM »
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my mb is like 6 inches right of my thumb hole and my weight hole is right above it.kinda looks like thisin is (.) 1inch down and between fingers,cg. down and right 2 inches,weight hole 3 inches right of cg on same line, mb 1 inch straight down from weight hole and then the thumb hole.                        


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HI, am not sure, but if you read the drilling instruction at Ebo's site, it says not to put the mb in the 75-105 degree zone.. maybe this is the problem.  

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