Post by: toomanytenpins on June 10, 2006, 05:13:23 PM
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Post by: El Capitán on June 11, 2006, 01:37:12 AM
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The Striking King.
More Spares = 200 avg.
More Spares Plus Strikes = 220 avg.
Post by: toomanytenpins on June 11, 2006, 01:40:18 AM
in is (.) 1inch down and between fingers,cg. down and right 2 inches,weight hole 3 inches right of cg on same line, mb 1 inch straight down from weight hole and then the thumb hole. * *
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Post by: toomanytenpins on June 11, 2006, 01:41:28 AM
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Post by: El Capitán on June 11, 2006, 01:49:32 AM
Also, are you sure soaking it is a good idea? Cus i've heard othewise...
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The Striking King.
More Spares = 200 avg.
More Spares Plus Strikes = 220 avg.
Post by: Gallandro on June 11, 2006, 02:38:55 AM
If modifying it, yet again, is your best course of action then I would suggest taking the cover down as far as possible say about 400 grit and then moving upwards until you find a surface that works for you. I've never been a fan of redrilling balls. You obviously chose that drilling for a specific purpose and I am not convinced that redrilling it will work better than adjusting the cover will.
Just my thoughts...
Gallandro
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Post by: Nails on June 11, 2006, 06:45:01 AM
What newer balls have you thrown recently that you do like?
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Post by: Greg T on June 11, 2006, 08:14:35 AM
Seems to me that someone should follow the explicit drill instructions supplied with the ball.
Post by: DP3 on June 11, 2006, 09:39:52 AM
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Post by: Atochabsh on June 11, 2006, 11:14:02 AM
Pin under like that is a more hook/set. Makes the ball arc more with less backend, especially when you take the surface down. Which is fine if you have really strong backends. We just don't see that strong a back ends to warrent such a drill.
Erin
Post by: DP3 on June 11, 2006, 11:20:37 AM
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Post by: Hammer3003 on June 11, 2006, 01:16:36 PM
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this freakin thing blows i have taken the surface down to 2000 and it is still half the ball it was when i first threw it. I cant depend on it to do anything but not carry and it does that consistently. Now i am gonna spend another 70 redrilling it. I need some suggestions. I am a 3/4 roller tweener and am now throwing the ball between 15 and 16.5 mph. it is set up with the pin below the ring finger with the pin cg and mb in line towards 4:00 with a weight hole just inside the mb ,about an inch between them.
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Wow some people
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Post by: DanR on June 11, 2006, 02:13:57 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on June 11, 2006, 02:24:39 PM
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The only layout any of the One series doesn;t work is the PIN under layout. For some reason NO one has a issue with the ball if the PIN position is above the finger, but most don;t like the PIN under layout as the performance is nothing special. Hope someone from Ebonite can explain why this core/cover combination doesn't work with the PIN under layout
I totally disagree i have seen 30 plus people love the ball around here in vegas that love the pin under drills. Dave Wodka shot 1055 for 4 games when i watched him one night with a pin under big one with mb out towards the val. I have seen many regular joe blows shot good series most with pin under drills, i have mine pin high so i like to spy alittle when i see others using theres.
Post by: jhutch769 on June 11, 2006, 02:26:02 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on June 11, 2006, 02:30:09 PM
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My One quit on me, I threw it in the revivor for about 10 minutes, good as new. My dad hasn't had any problems with his Big One.
Funny just got into it with another bowler this morning that he hearing people with the one ball saying they die and we were talking about how nobody says the big one dies out. I just got another new the one today pin high and mb next to the thumb, i hated the first one ball i had which was weaker pin over bridge and mb stronger it was an over under nightmare. This new one ball rolls prefect for me on a heavier medium shot, revs in the heads hit the dry and off it goes.
Post by: DP3 on June 11, 2006, 02:55:11 PM
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Post by: DP3 on June 11, 2006, 03:43:11 PM
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The only layout any of the One series doesn;t work is the PIN under layout. For some reason NO one has a issue with the ball if the PIN position is above the finger, but most don;t like the PIN under layout as the performance is nothing special. Hope someone from Ebonite can explain why this core/cover combination doesn't work with the PIN under layout
WHy the hell did you keep capitalizing PIN??????????
It's an acronym for Point Is Nonsense.
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Post by: toomanytenpins on June 11, 2006, 05:27:54 PM
The reason i had the ball drilled as i did was the guy who drilled it had one ,he let me throw his and it was exactly what i wanted and needed. No burnup and a strong smooth continuous arc to the pocket, from anywhere. Alas i digress ,just like my addiction. Now mind you I have been practicing and my ball speed and rev rate are up a tad. I am throwing the ball much better and my speed is up around 16,where it was 13 a month ago. Now it seems the only way i can get this thing to face up is to throw it slow, but not even that works as it should. I couldnt carry up the boards in the drier part of the lane and it wouldnt face the pocket in the oilier part of the lane. 10 pin 8 pin 7 pin over and over . Move left washout,move right nose. I ended up playing up 10 with my assassin. Nothing to brag about ,but I was happier with that then what the big one was giving me. Whats really funny is that the start of a game on fresh oil the ball clears the heads recovers and carries soon as the game starts washout.
I probably wouldnt complain as much if i had never seen the ball work. I have seen it work and shine. Glimpses of greatness. Ok I am sure you could blame me except that i can find a shot with other equipment on varying lane conditions.I dont know maybe its like i said earlier the ball is just way better than i am . Maybe I will quit trying to use it and making it look so bad. But honestly speaking I see many of them on the lanes these days,but i dont see many of them recording the big scores.
If I polish it wont i just have another polished heavy oil ball that i cant use in heavy oil.I went there with the wmb,the oracle the addiction and the phenom unleashed. the unleashed is the only one it worked with. I really dont need another one.
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Post by: Nails on June 11, 2006, 07:00:52 PM
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Yesterday i was shooting on a freshly oiled xmas tree 42 feet new synthetic lanes. And just like any other time since the first time i have thrown this ball its performance has been less than stellar. May favorite ball right now is my phenom unleashed, polished short pin drilled stacked.My thing is that as much as i love my phenom, its not a heavy oil ball . How do i know ,cause when i throw it and the back end is weak or there is a lack of recovery. So that is when i would want to go to something heavier, the big one.
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42' fresh xmas tree is probably just a typical house shot. It certainly doesn't sound like something I'd want/need a big oiler on. Most balls that can handle a lot of oil aren't balls you want to cover a ton of boards with. Because they use up so much energy up front, there is usually not much left in the tank for the breakpoint if they are thrown wide, unless you have a ton of head oil, a lot of ball speed, or a lot of axis rotation. When there is a lack of recovery or weak backends with an already strong ball, you probably want something weaker, not stronger.
A good read:
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=20852&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5
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Post by: toomanytenpins on June 11, 2006, 09:34:48 PM
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Post by: jls on June 12, 2006, 12:17:58 PM
and if your not on carrydown, the ball is probably rolling out,
have it re-drilled with the mb a lttle closer to your thumb, maybe 1 to 1 1/2
inch's right of your thumb.
than redo the cover, start with a 500 pad, 1000, 2000, etc, untill you get it to where you want it.
good luck
Post by: SKIDSNAP on June 12, 2006, 12:34:14 PM
WHAT I MEAN TO SAY IS....SELL IT OR THROW IT AWAY AND GO TO A SHOP THAT KNOWS HOW TO READ AN AXIS.
Post by: Billy Ray on June 12, 2006, 12:37:02 PM
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on June 12, 2006, 12:47:38 PM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on June 12, 2006, 02:27:41 PM
ps-show some love here not hate or get lost!!! If you cannot the poster out then maybe you should not answer this post!!
Post by: Greg T on June 12, 2006, 03:57:13 PM
That ball did not change in 6 games. My The One died prematurely but that was in about 30 games. You're not going to get a ball to die in 6 games. My guess is that the house changed the shot you are in a slump. Bad mechanics will cause this too ya know.
Post by: DP3 on June 12, 2006, 05:25:22 PM
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I am not saying Billy ray is not a great driller or Bowler but i am saying get off your high horse and actually help this guy out you pro shop guys on here can gain new clients instead of bag them.
It's hard to help someone out when they say "(xxx) ball sucks I don't care what anyone says"...... he should have known backlash was coming. Plus when you look at all the replies he actually got an overdose of knowledge about layouts and when to use a certain ball on a certain condition. It all depends on if he and others want to absorb it or not.
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Post by: toomanytenpins on June 12, 2006, 06:23:01 PM
In hopefully ending this thing on a good note I think I have realized my flaw. It appears to me and this is just my speculation that with this drilling you need to get a higher track on the ball in order for it to roll towards the pocket and for me it means to stay inside the ball with the fingers. This changed the characteristics of the ball immensely. So once again probably not the ball ,but the bowler and no I dont have nor am I going to get a coach. I have no intent of going pro,or even going to the hammtramic hoinke or any other tourney, its a game and i considered this site a brother hood if you will for bowlers novice and the like,but i guess i was wrong there too according to some. I dont want to get a coach to get so good that i might look down on a lower averaged bowler asking for help.
Post by: ambi1 on June 14, 2006, 01:26:12 AM
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my mb is like 6 inches right of my thumb hole and my weight hole is right above it.kinda looks like this
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HI, am not sure, but if you read the drilling instruction at Ebo's site, it says not to put the mb in the 75-105 degree zone.. maybe this is the problem.
regards
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Post by: DanR on June 17, 2006, 04:07:07 AM
Especially with the senior bowlers and the novice bowlers using The One and Big One. They all raised their avgerages by 10+ pins using these balls. I hate Ebonite changed the game with thses balls
Post by: ImaRedbird on June 19, 2006, 12:26:02 PM
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Stop Crying, Shut Up and BOWL!!! Everybody throws gutterballs back to back at one point in their life
Getting Zero is an accomplishent that you should be proud of!!!