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Equipment Boards => Ebonite => Topic started by: toomanytenpins on June 10, 2006, 05:13:23 PM
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this freakin thing blows i have taken the surface down to 2000 and it is still half the ball it was when i first threw it. I cant depend on it to do anything but not carry and it does that consistently. Now i am gonna spend another 70 redrilling it. I need some suggestions. I am a 3/4 roller tweener and am now throwing the ball between 15 and 16.5 mph. it is set up with the pin below the ring finger with the pin cg and mb in line towards 4:00 with a weight hole just inside the mb ,about an inch between them.
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Is it not hooking enough at 2000?
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The Striking King.
More Spares = 200 avg.
More Spares Plus Strikes = 220 avg.
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my mb is like 6 inches right of my thumb hole and my weight hole is right above it.kinda looks like thisin is (.) 1inch down and between fingers,cg. down and right 2 inches,weight hole 3 inches right of cg on same line, mb 1 inch straight down from weight hole and then the thumb hole.
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it isnt hooking at all and i just soaked it before i shot with it.
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my style, the art of bowling without bowling
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That looks like it's supposed to roll early.... what type of condition are you bowling on? 2000 is too soft for oily-oilness.
Also, are you sure soaking it is a good idea? Cus i've heard othewise...
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The Striking King.
More Spares = 200 avg.
More Spares Plus Strikes = 220 avg.
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Without trying to sound like an unnecessary prick.. If it doesn't work for you then scrap it and try something else.
If modifying it, yet again, is your best course of action then I would suggest taking the cover down as far as possible say about 400 grit and then moving upwards until you find a surface that works for you. I've never been a fan of redrilling balls. You obviously chose that drilling for a specific purpose and I am not convinced that redrilling it will work better than adjusting the cover will.
Just my thoughts...
Gallandro
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It is said that the meek shall inherit the Earth but they had better wait until the Violent have tamed it.
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It seems like you complain about every ball you've bought recently. From what I can remember, many of them were high end oilers. Maybe you don't bowl on the volume of oil you think you do? Those type of balls will look terrible when thrown on the wrong conditions.
What newer balls have you thrown recently that you do like?
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Telling it like it is.
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Seems to me that someone should follow the explicit drill instructions supplied with the ball.
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His profile says he's a low track, low rev, low speed player. No ball is going to look good coming out of that type of game unless the ball is drilled very delicate to his specs. With the MB "6 inches" right of the thumb it could be almost 3 inches or more past his VAL which is going to cause a hook/set/die motion out of a ball with this much assymetry built in. I shake my head in sadness every time I see a so called "pro shop operator" set people up with such terrible layouts and ball choices that would never fit the user's game.
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-DP3
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Its not drilled as aggressively as it could be. I mean what were you thinking if you wanted a strong ball and putting the pin under your ring finger? Ebonite doesn't even recommend that drilling. They suggest pin above the ring finger or stacked leverage at 1:30 along side the ring finger.
Pin under like that is a more hook/set. Makes the ball arc more with less backend, especially when you take the surface down. Which is fine if you have really strong backends. We just don't see that strong a back ends to warrent such a drill.
Erin
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I don't care what the Ebonite drill sheet says, pin in relation to gripping holes mean nothing when PAP's are varying from 2 1/2" from the center of grip to as far as 6" from the center of grip. So this guy's pin under ring Big One which could have a pin placement of 2" to his PAP would react a whole world of difference to someone like me where pin under ring would come out to be 5" from my PAP. Lets not stray away from the basics here, that drill sheet is only a mere guideline assuming the person has a PAP measurement of "around" 5 inches right and a variance of 1/4 up or down. Other than that, the picture is comepletely useless for someone with specs like the original person.
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this freakin thing blows i have taken the surface down to 2000 and it is still half the ball it was when i first threw it. I cant depend on it to do anything but not carry and it does that consistently. Now i am gonna spend another 70 redrilling it. I need some suggestions. I am a 3/4 roller tweener and am now throwing the ball between 15 and 16.5 mph. it is set up with the pin below the ring finger with the pin cg and mb in line towards 4:00 with a weight hole just inside the mb ,about an inch between them.
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Wow some people
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Zack Pelton
Bowl To Win!!!
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The only layout any of the One series doesn;t work is the PIN under layout. For some reason NO one has a issue with the ball if the PIN position is above the finger, but most don;t like the PIN under layout as the performance is nothing special. Hope someone from Ebonite can explain why this core/cover combination doesn't work with the PIN under layout
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The only layout any of the One series doesn;t work is the PIN under layout. For some reason NO one has a issue with the ball if the PIN position is above the finger, but most don;t like the PIN under layout as the performance is nothing special. Hope someone from Ebonite can explain why this core/cover combination doesn't work with the PIN under layout
I totally disagree i have seen 30 plus people love the ball around here in vegas that love the pin under drills. Dave Wodka shot 1055 for 4 games when i watched him one night with a pin under big one with mb out towards the val. I have seen many regular joe blows shot good series most with pin under drills, i have mine pin high so i like to spy alittle when i see others using theres.
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My One quit on me, I threw it in the revivor for about 10 minutes, good as new. My dad hasn't had any problems with his Big One.
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My One quit on me, I threw it in the revivor for about 10 minutes, good as new. My dad hasn't had any problems with his Big One.
Funny just got into it with another bowler this morning that he hearing people with the one ball saying they die and we were talking about how nobody says the big one dies out. I just got another new the one today pin high and mb next to the thumb, i hated the first one ball i had which was weaker pin over bridge and mb stronger it was an over under nightmare. This new one ball rolls prefect for me on a heavier medium shot, revs in the heads hit the dry and off it goes.
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ugh, I can't read this thread anymore, I want to shoot myself
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-DP3
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The only layout any of the One series doesn;t work is the PIN under layout. For some reason NO one has a issue with the ball if the PIN position is above the finger, but most don;t like the PIN under layout as the performance is nothing special. Hope someone from Ebonite can explain why this core/cover combination doesn't work with the PIN under layout
WHy the hell did you keep capitalizing PIN??????????
It's an acronym for Point Is Nonsense.
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-DP3
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wow where do i begin. lets say that I have had success with something of late and lets say for the sake of argument that even though i have hated just about everything I have thrown I have come to realix=ze and appreciate the value of what i have that is worth something. Yesterday i was shooting on a freshly oiled xmas tree 42 feet new synthetic lanes. And just like any other time since the first time i have thrown this ball its performance has been less than stellar. May favorite ball right now is my phenom unleashed, polished short pin drilled stacked.My thing is that as much as i love my phenom, its not a heavy oil ball . How do i know ,cause when i throw it and the back end is weak or there is a lack of recovery. So that is when i would want to go to something heavier, the big one . But I get the same if not less reaction from the big one on the same pattern . I also tried my oracle and had the same effect.
The reason i had the ball drilled as i did was the guy who drilled it had one ,he let me throw his and it was exactly what i wanted and needed. No burnup and a strong smooth continuous arc to the pocket, from anywhere. Alas i digress ,just like my addiction. Now mind you I have been practicing and my ball speed and rev rate are up a tad. I am throwing the ball much better and my speed is up around 16,where it was 13 a month ago. Now it seems the only way i can get this thing to face up is to throw it slow, but not even that works as it should. I couldnt carry up the boards in the drier part of the lane and it wouldnt face the pocket in the oilier part of the lane. 10 pin 8 pin 7 pin over and over . Move left washout,move right nose. I ended up playing up 10 with my assassin. Nothing to brag about ,but I was happier with that then what the big one was giving me. Whats really funny is that the start of a game on fresh oil the ball clears the heads recovers and carries soon as the game starts washout.
I probably wouldnt complain as much if i had never seen the ball work. I have seen it work and shine. Glimpses of greatness. Ok I am sure you could blame me except that i can find a shot with other equipment on varying lane conditions.I dont know maybe its like i said earlier the ball is just way better than i am . Maybe I will quit trying to use it and making it look so bad. But honestly speaking I see many of them on the lanes these days,but i dont see many of them recording the big scores.
If I polish it wont i just have another polished heavy oil ball that i cant use in heavy oil.I went there with the wmb,the oracle the addiction and the phenom unleashed. the unleashed is the only one it worked with. I really dont need another one.
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Yesterday i was shooting on a freshly oiled xmas tree 42 feet new synthetic lanes. And just like any other time since the first time i have thrown this ball its performance has been less than stellar. May favorite ball right now is my phenom unleashed, polished short pin drilled stacked.My thing is that as much as i love my phenom, its not a heavy oil ball . How do i know ,cause when i throw it and the back end is weak or there is a lack of recovery. So that is when i would want to go to something heavier, the big one.
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42' fresh xmas tree is probably just a typical house shot. It certainly doesn't sound like something I'd want/need a big oiler on. Most balls that can handle a lot of oil aren't balls you want to cover a ton of boards with. Because they use up so much energy up front, there is usually not much left in the tank for the breakpoint if they are thrown wide, unless you have a ton of head oil, a lot of ball speed, or a lot of axis rotation. When there is a lack of recovery or weak backends with an already strong ball, you probably want something weaker, not stronger.
A good read:
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=20852&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5
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Telling it like it is.
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my big thing about this ball is that oob it was awsome incredible even miraculous if you will ,but after 6 or so games its the worst thing in my bag. where i couldnt throw it past the break point and it would carry the world now if it isnt a dead nuts perfect shot i can count on a single pin and recovery is an urban myth.Its like the ,excuse the pun,"big one ",that got away.
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it sounds like you had a carrydown type of drilling on that ball,
and if your not on carrydown, the ball is probably rolling out,
have it re-drilled with the mb a lttle closer to your thumb, maybe 1 to 1 1/2
inch's right of your thumb.
than redo the cover, start with a 500 pad, 1000, 2000, etc, untill you get it to where you want it.
good luck
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INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE WEIGHT HOLE TO 1 1/2" DRILL ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BALL. PUT A LAMP FIXTURE ON ONE END OF THE HOLE AND A BASE ON THE OTHER . MAKE SURE YOU LEAVE ROOM FOR THE CORD SO YOU CAN PLUG IT IN.
WHAT I MEAN TO SAY IS....SELL IT OR THROW IT AWAY AND GO TO A SHOP THAT KNOWS HOW TO READ AN AXIS.
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Looking at your profile and your average you would probably be best served to find a coach and work on strengthening your fundamentals. I am assuming your bowling on a THS and with that average on those types of conditions you need help on your game not your equipment.
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Billy Ray
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"Let Us Help You Become More Competitive"
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This thread has a funny title.
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I think Billy Ray is wrong just because you do not average 220 does not mean you do know or do not know what a ball should do??? I have not used Billy so i cannot say good or bad about him but too slam somebody because you are a good bowler is just BS!!! I laugh at the clowns that come out here for high rollers that are supposed to be so good and donate there money tournament after tournament, i live in vegas. I am not saying Billy ray is not a great driller or Bowler but i am saying get off your high horse and actually help this guy out you pro shop guys on here can gain new clients instead of bag them.
ps-show some love here not hate or get lost!!! If you cannot the poster out then maybe you should not answer this post!!
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That ball did not change in 6 games. My The One died prematurely but that was in about 30 games. You're not going to get a ball to die in 6 games. My guess is that the house changed the shot you are in a slump. Bad mechanics will cause this too ya know.
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I am not saying Billy ray is not a great driller or Bowler but i am saying get off your high horse and actually help this guy out you pro shop guys on here can gain new clients instead of bag them.
It's hard to help someone out when they say "(xxx) ball sucks I don't care what anyone says"...... he should have known backlash was coming. Plus when you look at all the replies he actually got an overdose of knowledge about layouts and when to use a certain ball on a certain condition. It all depends on if he and others want to absorb it or not.
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-DP3
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You know i frequent this site because basically bowling is my hobby my side car to life if you will .There are some people that have been trully positve in there efforts to help and some that just seem preterbed that a lowly 191 bowler would even bother to enter your site. But i guess you get good and bad with all things.I read every tread and the things that I have read good and bad i take into consideration and I thank you all,believe me if i didnt want feedback I wouldnt type.Maybe in my rant of the title I was abrasive and i was a littlte bemused when i wrote it ,but i did write it with the intent of getting positive and helpful feedback.I am sorry for upsetting anyone if i did that please forgive me. No ball is any better than the person throwing it, and when i started this tread i did say," my big one ",not," the big one ".
In hopefully ending this thing on a good note I think I have realized my flaw. It appears to me and this is just my speculation that with this drilling you need to get a higher track on the ball in order for it to roll towards the pocket and for me it means to stay inside the ball with the fingers. This changed the characteristics of the ball immensely. So once again probably not the ball ,but the bowler and no I dont have nor am I going to get a coach. I have no intent of going pro,or even going to the hammtramic hoinke or any other tourney, its a game and i considered this site a brother hood if you will for bowlers novice and the like,but i guess i was wrong there too according to some. I dont want to get a coach to get so good that i might look down on a lower averaged bowler asking for help.
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my mb is like 6 inches right of my thumb hole and my weight hole is right above it.kinda looks like thisin is (.) 1inch down and between fingers,cg. down and right 2 inches,weight hole 3 inches right of cg on same line, mb 1 inch straight down from weight hole and then the thumb hole.
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HI, am not sure, but if you read the drilling instruction at Ebo's site, it says not to put the mb in the 75-105 degree zone.. maybe this is the problem.
regards
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tenpin, have you ever thought you were not as good as you think? Don't blame the ball but yourself for not learning how to bowl.
Especially with the senior bowlers and the novice bowlers using The One and Big One. They all raised their avgerages by 10+ pins using these balls. I hate Ebonite changed the game with thses balls
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Maybe you just don't fit the ball. I had a V2 Power that didn't exaclty agree with me, and I finally gave it up, but I have the One and the Big One, and they are great. Chop it up as an experience and try something else. The Infinite One is out now so give that a try or anything else.
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Stop Crying, Shut Up and BOWL!!! Everybody throws gutterballs back to back at one point in their life Getting Zero is an accomplishent that you should be proud of!!!