Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 24, 2008, 02:52:25 PM
I am thinking it needs polish and the cover is burning up, I am able to use a Sauce with same pin to pap on same exact lane conditions.
Btw it has the recommended drilling just thought to add that, pin over ring and mb just right of the thumb.
What have you done different surface wise with this ball than other balls??? Going to call my driller and peck his mind out of his head over this ball, balls seems to look like it going to hook and just makes a funky move and does not hit well.
Btw the Sauce is one of the best balls i have threw in awhile, think of a better Diesel with more pop on the backend. Reminds me of my prized Diesel Particle Pearl from the old days, dang I loved that ball and shot big with it many times.
Ok help me figure out why Eddie would make this his Hi-Po ball, I know you are smart Eddie so help me see what is going on here. Too much surface or needsmore surface which is it???
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Post by: rockerbowler18 on November 24, 2008, 10:58:37 PM
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JAT Junior Amateur Tour
Robb's Pro Shops: Bakersfield, California
Rev Rate: 400-450
Speed: 17-18 mph
Current Average: 211
Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 24, 2008, 11:02:37 PM
I have had 2 diesels and 3 DPP only the Diesel Reactive did i not like, hopefully someone can help me figure out this Striking Motion soon. Christmas coming and wife still not working but getting interviews finally, so being broke azz sucks.
Post by: rockerbowler18 on November 24, 2008, 11:05:22 PM
Bowling is such a serious thing for me that working often got in the way of bowling, and bowling comes first (for now).
I had to choose 2: work, school, bowling.
Easy decision for me.
Just wondered if you wanted it...it's always nice to know your favorite ball is still out there...especially when it's particularly hard to find.
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JAT Junior Amateur Tour
Robb's Pro Shops: Bakersfield, California
Rev Rate: 400-450
Speed: 17-18 mph
Current Average: 211
Post by: bowl 2 win on November 25, 2008, 10:13:03 AM
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Post by: Dan Belcher on November 25, 2008, 12:08:10 PM
Post by: mmcfarland300 on November 25, 2008, 12:17:15 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 27, 2008, 06:15:06 PM
I heard there is another pro shop guy who has around 500 rpms says it does not hook for him either and he had to take it down and put a hole in it also.
So we will try again tomorrow and see if this is big dog or better like the Ebonite Hype machine has put out again.
So far i wish that had got a 2nd Sauce and might still at some point, I like the colors of the SM but it sure does not hook much so far.
Post by: bowl 2 win on November 27, 2008, 06:24:59 PM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 27, 2008, 07:43:37 PM
I am thinking bad batch or something here.
Post by: renoatpikeville on November 27, 2008, 08:04:04 PM
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After a long practice session with my 2 Striking Motions I have found that this ball dose not have the core strenght to make a big turn if you try to swing the ball but it is also too strong if you try to play up the lane. Polishing the ball helped a bit but was still alittle too strong for up the lane play and dident have anything left trying to swing the ball. I have come to the conclusion that this ball needs either flying backends, a shorter shot or a sport shot in order to work properly. This ball just dose not have the backend I was expecting, which can be a good thing but I have other balls for that.
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link for some pics of my arsenal:
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This reminds me of the Original Fury...I had the same problem as you are describing with your Striking Motion. Hooked too much if you played up the lanes and couldn't recover when I moved in and swung it.
However, I took the ball up to 1000-1500 and put brunswick factory polish...worked much much better.
Post by: pegleg42090 on November 27, 2008, 08:06:39 PM
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This reminds me of the Original Fury...I had the same problem as you are describing with your Striking Motion. Hooked too much if you played up the lanes and couldn't recover when I moved in and swung it.
However, I took the ball up to 1000-1500 and put brunswick factory polish...worked much much better.
Oh no.. if this ball is even mentioned with the original Fury at all then it looks like I've gotta avoid it.....
Post by: DP3 on November 27, 2008, 09:29:40 PM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 28, 2008, 09:43:22 AM
My driller was kind of shocked the ball did not move alot, then his co worker messaged him the same exact results and that guy was a Penn State Bowler that DP3 knows.
I heard the co worker surfaced down and put a weight hole in it, his rev rate is easily 500 plus. He does throw pretty hard and i think the cover seems very hard to me feeling it, not a soft cover like the gamebreaker or Infinite one.
The ball has no visible flare rings even on oily shots, I suspect a bad batch with a higher durometer cover made it out of the plant. Weird ball so far going to throw it in about 3 hours with the changes after i stop by the pro shop and have the weight hole punched.
Post by: Sjf on November 28, 2008, 10:06:10 PM
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This ball grabs extremely early and needs tour like oil volume in the heads and midlane to get up the lane without expending energy. I've seen this ball in the hands of 4 local guys that throw it really well, and it's certainly a big hooking piece front-to-back. I'm not sure what you guys are bowling on or what type of rotation/revrates you have but I've seen this ball look very strong on a heavier volume house shot, Shark on proanvilane and Scorpion on proanvil lane.
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...The Twelve In a Row Pro Shop. AMF Bowie Lanes -- Bowie, MD
DP3 did you see that this ball is being sold by Buddiesproshop.com for $124.99 online. My distributor told me about this tonite. I see Ebonite's floor pricing policy is working real well. Boy I am sure glad I bought the first 4 at $105. But I will not be reordering any from my distributor at the regular price of $132. Thanks again Ebonite.
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Post by: batbowler on November 28, 2008, 10:16:24 PM
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Post by: DP3 on November 28, 2008, 10:48:25 PM
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This ball grabs extremely early and needs tour like oil volume in the heads and midlane to get up the lane without expending energy. I've seen this ball in the hands of 4 local guys that throw it really well, and it's certainly a big hooking piece front-to-back. I'm not sure what you guys are bowling on or what type of rotation/revrates you have but I've seen this ball look very strong on a heavier volume house shot, Shark on proanvilane and Scorpion on proanvil lane.
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-DJ Marshall
...The Twelve In a Row Pro Shop. AMF Bowie Lanes -- Bowie, MD
DP3 did you see that this ball is being sold by Buddiesproshop.com for $124.99 online. My distributor told me about this tonite. I see Ebonite's floor pricing policy is working real well. Boy I am sure glad I bought the first 4 at $105. But I will not be reordering any from my distributor at the regular price of $132. Thanks again Ebonite.
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Yes I did see the pricing, and I did have to pay a double digit number in the low teens higher than buddies price to order the two that I have in stock. I think it's a great ball that alot of bowlers could benefit from, but I'm at the point now where I just don't care. Knowing you're getting BOHICA'ed is just an acceptance now so I just try to sell whatever product I have to keep the lights on and my bills paid. Won't be long for us small guys though to stay around and unfortunately the bowling business is so cut-throat not enough guys will man up and come together to make something happen. They'll just keep staying quiet and struggling until another good shop goes down and they get more customers in the door. All I know is I'm not gonna sit around and starve anymore waiting for that to happen.
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...The Twelve In a Row Pro Shop. AMF Bowie Lanes -- Bowie, MD
Post by: mrbowlingnut on November 28, 2008, 11:43:28 PM
I shelled down but no dang oil to get anything down the lane, was swinging 4 th arrow plus with anything i had. Added the weight hole will throw it again Sunday Morning, I did hear the higher rev player now has his fixed and likes the ball finally.
He shelled down and went low hole also, so I am hoping it will have increased back end reaction now. I also shelled down an NVD with same exact drilling just for kicks, hated that ball also from too much hook maybe it will burn up front some and smooth it out.
Post by: ramimac on December 01, 2008, 02:58:52 PM
Same driller that had the same massive amount of striking like it did with it one demo day can not get the one in his bag drilled identical to the one he threw at the demo to move...
he believes that is may be a dud as well..
I am leaning towards a momenum swing or a sauce.. will try them both out at the ebonite demo on the 13th.. to go with my red/black Bash and Playmaker.
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In the Bag
Playmaker 14lb
Bam Blue/Black 14lb
For sale all 15lb
Blast Zone 2000 Sand Heavy Polish
Red XXXL 2000 polish
White Dot
Carbide+ 2nd Drill
Blue Slate gargoyle 2nd Drill
Blue Slate gargoyle 1st Drill
Fury NIB
Viper R.I.P (Cracked all the way arround ball)
Available for trade or sale
Edited on 12/1/2008 4:02 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on December 01, 2008, 04:33:17 PM
I am willing to keep trying surfaces and have came on here seeking other outside help, we will go through the changes and see where it goes.
Btw i have one offer to buy it so far if cannot get the surface correct, i would prefer for Ebonite to just give me another ball if the west coast rep will allow this.
My pro shop has worked closely with me on this not slamming them at all
Jeff has come through time after time helping me so will keep on plugging away or get rid of it somehow some way. Still think it is a bad batch like your driller has stated to you, I know ball motions and like every other recent ebonite balls in fact have 2 of many of them.
On edit ball is now shiny over 1k will report tomorrow if dog still or now the hi-po ball Ebonite says it is. Trust me I am one of you with medium revs and slightly higher ball speed to revs, I am neither good nor bad as bowler but do consider myself a ball reaction expert.
Warmup tonight here we come if promising it gets used otherwise NOT!!! Bowling against Palumbo the West Coast Visionary Rep for league bragging rights of best team in the league
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During the Demo of the SM I to noticed that it did not move very much my driller then took the ball i was using a put a hole in it around the thumb area and it came alive...
Same driller that had the same massive amount of striking like it did with it one demo day can not get the one in his bag drilled identical to the one he threw at the demo to move...
he believes that is may be a dud as well..
I am leaning towards a momenum swing or a sauce.. will try them both out at the ebonite demo on the 13th.. to go with my red/black Bash and Playmaker.
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In the Bag
Playmaker 14lb
Bam Blue/Black 14lb
For sale all 15lb
Blast Zone 2000 Sand Heavy Polish
Red XXXL 2000 polish
White Dot
Carbide+ 2nd Drill
Blue Slate gargoyle 2nd Drill
Blue Slate gargoyle 1st Drill
Fury NIB
Viper R.I.P (Cracked all the way arround ball)
Available for trade or sale
Edited on 12/1/2008 4:02 PM
Edited on 12/1/2008 6:00 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on December 02, 2008, 04:29:21 PM
Used it game 3 for a 210, it was pretty straight still but got there and hit not bad not great. It might be better with 2k no polish I suspect but is a useable the way it is so i will keep it and stop whining.
At an easy house like South Point it probably will actually hook alot but what doesn't is the real question. So between South Point and some late block games you have there Hi-performance ball.
I love ball reviews it gives me somewhere to post your true thoughts good or bad, sometimes the truth just hurts so it goes i guess.
Just being honest with other BR members get a playmaker or Sauce over this ball and just save some money. Ebonite will get over it and so will I lol
I am sure the powers that be at Ebonite are monitoring this thread or so i think, lurk away instead of actually helping someone out.
Post by: dpetty on December 03, 2008, 06:55:41 PM
The next version may be a bit more versatile.
Ebonite Staffer
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Post by: Ragnar on December 04, 2008, 08:16:50 AM
Center of Gravity: The center of gravity placement may or may not fall inside the CG area. If it doesn’t then the balance hole location may need to be adjusted. Mass Bias Placement: Mass Bias Placement at 60 degree angle to the left of the thumb hole. If needed place balance hole approximately 4 inches to the left and up 1 inch, drill back to statically legal.
I needed the weight hole as described.
This ball hooks as much as my Cell, in fact I was playing exactly the same line I do with the Cell. If this ball is like all new balls, I expect it to tame down a bit after 50 games, as my Cell did, so it will end up with a bit less hook than the Cell. It starts up fairly early, has great continuation, and hits like a bomb. My main complaint: in 3 games (662) I left 6 9 pins (but I am on Twister pins). I'm suspicious that Mrbowlingnut has a bad layout for his style.
Post by: mrbowlingnut on December 04, 2008, 09:52:31 AM
I have an NVD with same layout i have trouble from too much out so far, I really did not buy this ball for biggest hooking ball. I was thinking it would be as good or better than my Angular One or The One, nice through the fronts and big continuous backend reaction.
So far not even close to that reaction, so yes you are 100 percent right the layout on this certain ball sucks!!! Should I redrill it????
Doubt it I hate plug and probably can use on the China tonight at South Point. So all of sudden it will hook on a shot anything including Scouts hook alot on.
Of course you have more hook than me Ragnar you were posting before about the Silver Bullet hooking for you for me the ball is for 10 pins and super dry lanes.
I have no tilt about 330 revs and medium higher ball speed, so balls with MB too strong tend to want to go left fast and have nothing left without using the flip drillings for late revs and hook.
I have to clear the fronts or I am dead in the water, I did not like the Cell OOB it had to be polished for me to get any length out of it I mean any!!
Post by: scotts33 on December 08, 2008, 09:24:58 AM
http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?BallID=933&ManufacterID=5&ReviewID=30362
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Post by: SKIDSNAP on December 08, 2008, 09:38:06 AM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on December 08, 2008, 09:38:39 AM
It is usable now polished to a marble on top of 1k abralon, it polishes way up fast so it takes changes fast. It might be better with a lower or higher grit underneath the polish which is Ebonite Factory finish.
I would have preferred Snake Oil but wanted to give the Factory finish the first try since it is there polish. So maybe for tonight I will knock it down and repolish it with Snake oil, cannot hurt much at this point.
last two games with it are 210,190 it has some potential but i have been struggling with poor mechanics the last two sets. So it is hard to blame the ball and not me for this week, I do like most Ebonite products and probably will get a Pin Slasher sometime around the 1 st of the next year.
The cover is so strong if you have no hand at all it could be great, guys with more tilt are going to like it more oob IMO.
Still love the Sauce and Playmaker both are easy to use with no mods, just go out and toss away shooting big games.
Post by: scotts33 on December 08, 2008, 09:43:31 AM
Dwight is a knowledgeable reviewer so I'd put some importance to his statement and as you found pretty much the same issue.
I thought, I'd post so that others could see it's not all them.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on December 09, 2008, 05:11:26 PM
Got it nice and matte making sure all the Factory finish was off the ball for good, then used Valentino's Snake Oil on high speed and burned in the polish back to wet marble look again like the Factory finish looked.
Went out to league last night The Sauce was too much ball, some lane man messed up a brand new Kegel machine and it has been laying out more of medium christmas tree pattern. So I threw a Shock and Awe thinking the Activator+ cover would not burn up wrong to early and going left at 40 feet.
Took out the Striking Motion and boom perfect length and a nice continuous backend reaction that is rolled up nicely. Finally more reaction and pretty good hitting power, so be ready to work on it if you want more out of it.