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Nicanor

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The One just sucks
« on: December 06, 2005, 12:43:15 AM »
The last time I said this about a ball it was the EMB.  Out of the box this ball skids way too much (drilled as recommend on the ball decal) and when it hits the dry it over reacts way too much. If there is any carry down forget it.  

This is not even a medium ball out of the box let alone a heavy oil ball.  (I know its not a heavy oil ball),  If this ball doesn't find a dry patch somewhere, it will skate forever.

So I took some polish off on my home spinner and it was a little better.  I took it to a pro shop for them to take some more polish off and it was a touch better.  The ball still skids through oil like sharp ice skates on ice, but it does read the lane a little earlier and does work somewhat better in carry down playing a little straighter, but it is still strong off the break point and more consistent, not near as skid flippy, but then you have to be very consistent with your release.  If you come around the ball a little too much, the ball reaction is very erractic.

So the ball is driller unfriendly, the box surface on the ball is useless unless you want to see an erractic skid flip and the ball is extremely dependent on consistent (correct) ball release.  

But then the ball is no good on short oil either.  In either box condition or with polish removed, this ball over reacts when it hits the short oil pattern.  The ball hasn't rolled out/burned up on me, it keeps on hooking, but off the lane.

This is my opinion and I compare it to the EMB. I throw all Ebonite now, so its not a slam on Ebonite. I see that others love this ball.  Thats great.

I throw the XXXcel, Big Time Sanded, Big Time Pearl, Cross Fire and struggling with The One.




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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2005, 10:24:41 AM »
After more practice last night, Ive found that I leave an obscene amount of 8 and 9 pins with this ball. I also leave a few flat tens, but thats bowler error due to me pulling it in the oil.
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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2005, 05:33:55 PM »
Why doesn't anyone following directions?  I saw that the ball comes with a sticker on it advising how to drill the balls.  On their web site and drilling instructions they advise DO NOT DRILL, and refers to the label drilling layout.
Understand something about high mass bias before ruining a good ball.  Yes the finish is too polished but add a little surface overe the polish and the ball is really good.

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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2005, 06:15:57 PM »
This is one the most versital balls I've used of all the manufacterers!  I used this ball in box condition and it just killed the lanes.  I used it on varying conditions from a fairly heavy top hat off the 5 board, to more gradual taper around 7 to 10 and then on a fried condition on Saturday night at 4th arrow (20 board) out to about 15 or so.  That was in box condition.  

Lately the house I bowl in got a bit thicker oil and in the box condition was a bit skiddy for me.  So I took it down from the box 4000 to 2000.  It worked better, but I then had the shop take it down to 1000 and its back to being an unbelievable ball.  

I don't know what you expect from a ball, but there's no magic pills.  I also don't know what this EMB is.  Are you talking about Morich's WMB?  Because I have that ball also and its another great ball, though entirely different then The One.  Few people have used more Ebonite equipment then I have.  From the plastics (Eyeball, Zebra 100, Snuffy) to nearly all the Apexs, the TPC line, Reactive 8 Ball (unmatched in performance), the Tidalwave line, a couple V2s and the much underrated Tomestone.  I know Ebonite equipment and The One is a fantastic ball.  Ebonite has a tiger by the tail with this ball.  

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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2005, 06:28:16 PM »
This is a bit off on a side ways direction but I felt I had to respond.  The Tombstone was a ball WAAAAAYYYY ahead of its time.  It was virtually a particle ball, very large load.  You can feel this in the cover.  On drier wood lanes with burnt heads, this ball is going to be useless.  Shooting off the gutter, its going to burn up.  Unfortunately when it came out, that's what was the most common lane surface around.  This ball was just manufactered and presented before its time.  It was, IMO, Ebonite's most condition specific ball for its time.  So remember...."its not a bad ball, just misunderstood."  
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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2005, 06:28:52 PM »


EMB's were a Track ball, there were 3 in the series, 2 of them were almost uncontrollable if not drilled right, and at that time not a lot of drillers had a lot of knowledge about asymetrical weight blocks.

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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2005, 06:48:46 PM »
Solid9,

You are right about the EMB.  Thank you for clearing that up for those confused.

For those that did not read all the post on this subject,  I did drill The One very, very close to the sticker.  The only difference I drilled it at 43 degrees rather then 45 and I did take the surface down to 1000.  and that did make it better.  But still skids in oil.  Throwing at the 7 pin is a new challenge with The One.  It skids all the wasy through the oil like throwing a plastic ball.  But I am making the adjustment.

The Tomestone was a ball before its time and I still have the ball.  But in its time (when first released) the ball sucked. I should pull it out again and try it on some of today's heavier oil.




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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2005, 10:44:45 AM »
The One is the most speed sensitive ball I have ever encountered. I might have to tweak the surface because OOB this ball has no room for error if I miss too far right with too much speed and is way too much off the dry when I attempt to square up. Now when I miss right I leave a 2 pin or a 2-8 combo and sometimes a weak ten, or all three together (2-8-10). Ive had the most success throwing this ball slower around the 15 mph range (183,254,257). When I throw at my normal speed it just doesnt hook.
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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #38 on: December 09, 2005, 12:02:56 PM »
The only reason you say the Tombstone sucked is because you could not control it and were probably using it on the wrong condition.  

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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2005, 12:21:12 PM »
I don't disagree about the Tomestone.  When I was throwing the Tomestone, I didn't know anything about ball rolling out or burning up and dying at the pocket.  I think thee is much better heavier oil bowling ball equipment now adays to go back and use the Tomestone, but since I still have it, I might try it pot bowling one Sunday.  The usually have a lot of oil in the middle.

To further prove The One sucks in OOB condition, I drilled up the Big Time Pearl.  I think both The One and the Big Time Pearl has the same OOB surface prep.  The Big Time Pearl was considerably more consistent and crushed the pocket.  Once I got lined up the the Big Time Pearl, I was crushing the pocket almost everytime.  A 4 here a 10 there, but that was speed and release problems.  But the release and sped problems wasn't pronouced nearly as much as making the same release mistakes as throwing The One.


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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2005, 10:00:56 AM »
Let me tell you something about The ONE from Ebonite.  A few weeks ago at the Super Hoinke the backends were snot tight and no ball was to be found hooking on the back.  Jeff Lizzi drilled me up The One and I proceeded to make the top 8 while my bro won the sweeper on Wed night with The One. This ball cuts the oil in the back and hits a ton.  


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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2005, 05:14:19 PM »
YOU SAY THE BALL SKIDS TO MUCH YET WAS DRILLED ACCORDING TO EBONITE'S DRILL SHEET,   STRANGE  VERY STRANGE,  I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT COULD BE.  SOMEONE TOLD ME THAT MAYBE YOUR BALL MIGHT BE DEFECTIVE.  THO I DOUBLT IT,  IT PROBABLY JUST NEEDS TO HAVE THE COVER ADJUSTED. TRY GOING TO A PRO SHOP THAT STOCKS AND SELLS MO RICH OR TRACK OR BRUNSWICK OR STORM BALLS,  THEY USUALLY CAN DO A GOOD JOB ADJUSTING COVERSTOCKS.
GOOD LUCK  AND DON'T GIVE UP ON THAT BALL, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS A SUPER BALL
WHEN USED ON THE RIGHT CONDITION.

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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2005, 05:23:28 PM »
BRANDON R
I SEE YOU FELT THAT THE BALL WAS TOO SHARP FOR YOUR STYLE,
I AM ASSUMMING YOU HAD THE BALL DRILLED ACCORDING TO EBONITES SHEET,
WHICH IS STRONG, STRONGER AND STRONGEST,  YET FOR SOME BOWLERS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT,  THIS IS TOO STRONG,  A SMOOTHER DRILLING ON SUCH A STRONG MB BALL MAY HAVE WORKED FOR YOU.  HOWEVER THERE IS NO SUCH DRILLING OFFER ON THIS BALL,  BIG WARNING NOT TO DRILL MB IN TRACK.  SO MOST SHOPS WILL NOT DO THAT, AND I CAN'T BLAME THEM,  BECAUSE EBONITE HAS PUT IN INTO THE HEADS OF BOWLERS THAT THIS WILL NOT WORK, AND ONLY THERE PATTERNS WILL,  BUT AS YOU HAVE NOW FOUND OUT AFTER $200.00  IT DOES NOT WORK FOR EVERYONE.  I NOTICED THAT ON THE NEW SEEK AND DESTROY BALL BY MO RICH  THERE IS NO SUCH WARNING,  THEY ALSO DON'T SHOW A DRILLING LIKE THAT,  BUT THEY DON'T PUT THE BIG X ON IT EITHER, THEY LEAVE IT UP TO THE PRO SHOPS,  BELIEVE IT OR NOT  THERE ARE SOME PRO SHOPS THAT ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2005, 05:30:15 PM »
^Huh?
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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2005, 05:45:02 PM »
JUST THE FACTS  PIG DON'T FLY
IF YOU SAY IT WILL DO SOMETHING, THAN IT SHOULD DO IT.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM SEVERAL REVIEWS IT SOMETIMES NEEDS ADJUSTING
AS PER BRANDON WHO WAS GOING TO SELL THE BALL ON 12-9,  NOW LOVES IT ON 12-16
POSSIBLY HAD SOME WORK DONE TO ADJUST COVER, BECAUSE EARLIER IT WAS TOO ANGULAR FOR HIM, NOW HE LOVES IT,  AND THIS IS TRUE WITH MOST HIGH TECH BALLS
THE BOX FINISH IS A STARTING POINT, AND YOU NEED TO GIVE THE BALL TIME AMD SOMETIMES IT TAKES SEVERAL COVER CHANGES TO GET IT TO PERFORM FOR YOU.
THAT'S WHAT I LIVE BY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: The One just sucks
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2005, 05:52:28 PM »
I don't mean to be rude, but can you please turn off the Caps Lock key?....
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