Post by: Nicanor on December 06, 2005, 12:43:15 AM
This is not even a medium ball out of the box let alone a heavy oil ball. (I know its not a heavy oil ball), If this ball doesn't find a dry patch somewhere, it will skate forever.
So I took some polish off on my home spinner and it was a little better. I took it to a pro shop for them to take some more polish off and it was a touch better. The ball still skids through oil like sharp ice skates on ice, but it does read the lane a little earlier and does work somewhat better in carry down playing a little straighter, but it is still strong off the break point and more consistent, not near as skid flippy, but then you have to be very consistent with your release. If you come around the ball a little too much, the ball reaction is very erractic.
So the ball is driller unfriendly, the box surface on the ball is useless unless you want to see an erractic skid flip and the ball is extremely dependent on consistent (correct) ball release.
But then the ball is no good on short oil either. In either box condition or with polish removed, this ball over reacts when it hits the short oil pattern. The ball hasn't rolled out/burned up on me, it keeps on hooking, but off the lane.
This is my opinion and I compare it to the EMB. I throw all Ebonite now, so its not a slam on Ebonite. I see that others love this ball. Thats great.
I throw the XXXcel, Big Time Sanded, Big Time Pearl, Cross Fire and struggling with The One.
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Post by: Nicanor on December 06, 2005, 09:19:33 AM
I hope I get some other responses. Maybe there is someone out there that can give me some insight on this ball that I haven't tried already.
I try to include in my post that this is my opinion. Though I like to read others opinion, its not to make anyone mad or to say anything bad about Ebonite products.
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Post by: 1fife on December 06, 2005, 09:22:02 AM
BUT
it is not a heavy oil ball-id call it a medium
i have mine drilled
pin in ring finger and mb 1.5 inch right of thumb
i hit it with a white scotch pad(just to take a slight shine off)
id call myself a cranker
on frsh heavier oil-i cant get it to move enough(2-10 syndrome)
have only used it 3 games
last game in a set-256
2nd and third game last night (246-268)
BUT i would never be able to use it first game those nights
Post by: thfonz98 on December 06, 2005, 09:22:14 AM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on December 06, 2005, 10:25:35 AM
I had the ball drilled like the label you are talking about and traded it off right away with my driller after 4 surface changes, i felt you pain and unless they are ebay cheap do not want another one. Ball hooks hard one shot next shot goes 55 feet, at 1000 the ball burned up even moving inside to 4-5th arrows. I honestly like Hammer stuff alot better i kick azz with my hawg and hammer raw doom, but ebonite lately for me just does not match up well. The big time and overtime are great balls but the high end stuff just is not worth the extra money IMO. My big time outhooks my xcel particle by 2-3 boards on medium/heavy shots all day long, funny part is i had to shine up big time so it would not hook too much upfront. Me and the scalien core just do not get along well, good luck redrill or dump it my friend.
The other BArry
Post by: LuckyLefty on December 06, 2005, 10:51:41 AM
rEgards,
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Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on December 06, 2005, 12:33:58 PM
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Post by: JamesCube on December 06, 2005, 12:41:16 PM
Guys who have been bowling for 30 years are getting their first 300's ever with it (one guy even has two now, he's only had the ball for 5 weeks.)
I like putting the surface at 1000 for people because 800 seems to make it lose energy at the deck but that's only from one or two cases so I'll have to keep my eye on it.
A balance hole may help but I'd only use plugging or putting a balance hole in it as an option after surface options have been exhausted.
Good luck,
Joe
Post by: kmanestor22 on December 06, 2005, 03:07:24 PM
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Post by: Nicanor on December 06, 2005, 04:49:05 PM
The One seems to be one of those balls you love or you have it. Its not the core because I think that the XXXcel is one on the best heavy/heavy-medium balls on the market.
Sir Bowl-A-Lot,
I started building show motorcycles and during one of my parts runs, a lady decided she wanted to be in my lane and where I was. She never saw me. I lost skin on my palm, arm, elbow, stomach, hip and knee. It took a long time for my ruptured bursa sac to heal in my elbow.
I got further involved with motorcycle building and taking them to shows that bowling took a back seat. I'm trying to bowl a little and work on the bikes, but I'm finding out that if I do both, I'm not good at either. So i don't want to spend a lot of time working with a ball.
Just got back Thanksgiving weekend where I bowled in several Tournaments and match plays. I ran across Red Baron and Revolutions PS. I averaged about 218 for the weekend and I started great
then slid a little. Needed to be about 240 to win.Thanks to all who posted. I know I wasn't in the majority when it came to The One, but when I have time, I'll continue to work with it.
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Post by: Tony Banks on December 06, 2005, 05:59:56 PM
Post by: jkiser01 on December 06, 2005, 06:05:49 PM
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Post by: jkiser01 on December 06, 2005, 06:41:19 PM
Nicanor, sorry its not working out for you but I wouldn't give up on it just yet..
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Post by: Nicanor on December 06, 2005, 06:47:29 PM
The ball is drilled with The One's # 2 drilling. Pin just below the ring finger and the MB, almost not exact, 45 degrees which put the MB about 2 inches right of the thumb. And actually, I can the ball sucks, and it does. For my release and my style of bolwing the ball just out right sucks. My ball driller knows my pap and we have bowled league together for years and he hsa been a pro shop owner/operator for decades and he laid the ball out as recommended by Ebonite. The layout recommended on a sticker on the ball itself told us to drill it this way noting that a different pap will change the layout somewhat.
Now maybe if I were to drill the ball differently according to another layout that Ebonite recommends, I might get a different reaction and one that might better suit my game. there is not drill recommendation that I seen that has the pin next to the ring finger. The one drilling it does show with the pin next to the ring finger is a 1:30 drilling MB to the left of the thumb (right handed bowler)and that is the drilling it recommends not to drill.
The ball just sucks.
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Post by: jkiser01 on December 06, 2005, 07:15:21 PM
If you don't like the ball, sell it. Not every ball matches up with everyone but to say the ball sucks because it didn't match up with you makes no sense to me, but your entitled to your opinion..
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Post by: jonbowler298 on December 06, 2005, 07:18:51 PM
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Kegel training center is the way to go....
Post by: Nicanor on December 06, 2005, 07:24:28 PM
I think this ball sanded workes well in an easy house shot, but put it on a tough condition, (short oil) reverse block, flat oil pattern) the ball is useless. If you don't have a nice easy house shot where you can send the ball through some oil, out to a dry area outside of the 10 board and bank the ball to the pocket, the ball reaction is very erractic.
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Post by: Mr Mustard on December 06, 2005, 09:15:46 PM
Post by: Nicanor on December 07, 2005, 07:52:46 AM
Triman, in this post I have written why I think this ball sucks. It was a rational explanation why I think this ball sucks.
I tried The One again in league last night. It was one of those conditions that you can bounce off the outside. I followed the oil line all night because there were all right handers most playing the same line. I moved left and followed the oil line all night. If I tugged the ball left though just a touch, the ball skated and looked like it would never turn over. Early, if I got the ball outside too early, the fresh condition let the ball play bumper against the oil line and I had a good shot. But as the night wore on, if I got the ball out to the dry too soon, it over reacted. A good bowler making a consistent shot would keep the line and follow the oil without difficulty, but me with my 189 average has difficulty with precise accuracy.
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Edited on 12/7/2005 8:45 AM
Post by: northface28 on December 07, 2005, 10:31:29 AM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on December 07, 2005, 10:51:15 AM
If you can trade someone for an overtime or big time and you will be happy to get rid of a ball that wont work for you. I watched 2 of them last night game 1 the guy had a great look shot 218, he whiffed 3 10 pins. Games 2 and 3 he tried to move in ball would hang some shots and other times come in high, he went about 160 something twice. I just watched and thought will maybe i am not the only person not able to use this ball with success, i was using my new ambush thinking wow i have control of this pair and the bowler with the one ball is flipping lost in space somewhere. I dont think medium skilled players all have the ability to chase the oil inside and this guy had decent hand and tilt. I stayed inside of him about 5 boards and was blowing the rack apart with flush shots, sometimes opening the lanes up just ight not be your game.
Post by: Nicanor on December 07, 2005, 05:48:49 PM
the shot was easier last night then it has been in the past. The point I was trying to make was, even at 1000 grit, The One will skid in oil looking for a dry spot before it reacts. stay in the oil a little too long you never make it to the pocket, get in the dry a little too soon, the ball hooks and doesn't quit.
I stay away from the easy houses in San Diego and try to bowl leagues where the house has a hard time keeping the same shot (or close to it) every week. They oil then allow open play, which is good but I wish they would give them both lanes. That way you not playing both lanes totally different most of the time. Never look for an easy house. That way when I bowl against bowlers like Leftside (or is it Wrongside now) I can kick his butt because he has an over inflated average due to an easy house shot
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Post by: Tony Banks on December 07, 2005, 06:24:32 PM
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Post by: gtghm on December 08, 2005, 02:24:56 AM
Surface is wetsand 4000 grit abrlon pad (just to break off the factory polish)
Averaging 224 with 37 games on it, if I just factor in just games bowled on a THS I'm at 230 for 24gms...
By far the best ball that I have ever owned. The layout on this ball makes the ball like a hockey stick, I find that I am 10 boards left to start the night than anything I own...
One of the most striking things that I have noticed about this ball other than the strikes..., is how clean this ball is in the fronts and how it reads the patterns. In using it in my last 4 league nights I have either been able to stand and throw in the same spot all 3 games or make a move some where towards the end of game 3... I don't remember any reactive ball that I have owned where I can walk off the lanes saying "wow... I never had to make a move all night..." My last 4 night series 977(4gms) 670(3mgs) 680(3gms) 978(4gms) 236avg
My before the One average was around 205, can't speak for the thread originator but for me, this ball is unbelievable for me...
Only one thing... I've got about 40 games on mine and I am still getting the same reaction from out of the box but I have had 2 people tell me that their "Ones" are already dead. They estimated they have about 100 or so games on them... I'm hoping that this is just a spuratic problem and won't happen to mine... if it does I'll post back....
"g"
Post by: Nicanor on December 08, 2005, 07:18:34 AM
1) A hockey stick reaction is not conducive to high scores to average bowlers. Its too unpredictable. For 230 bowlers with skills, I'm sure they can handle the over under a hockey stick reaction at the break point.
2) I remember reading that there were bowlers that loved the Tombstone.
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Post by: Strider on December 08, 2005, 08:20:53 AM
j/kI haven't thrown the One, but I've seen it being thrown by all kinds of players and talent levels and on a variety of lane conditions. While the break point is on the hard arc/slightly snappy side, I wouldn't call it uncontrollable. The One looks like a winner to me, and I haven't thrown an Ebonite ball I've liked in years. Either play with the surface some more, redrill it, or get rid of it. Sounds like you just flat don't match up with it. It happens. As much as everyone loves the Lane#1 Cherry Pearl, it was a dud for me.
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Post by: Nicanor on December 08, 2005, 09:17:25 AM
I don't believe you mentioned average maintenance to me
And how dare you say anything bad about Lane 1, the best ball manufactuer in bowling ball business
Hope things are well.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on December 08, 2005, 09:54:46 AM
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And how dare you say anything bad about Lane 1, the best ball manufactuer in bowling ball business
Nic, and you are throwing the one????????.....lol
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Post by: Saw Mill on December 08, 2005, 10:04:49 AM
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Post by: lilphyzx on December 08, 2005, 10:17:34 AM
Post by: northface28 on December 08, 2005, 10:24:41 AM
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Post by: DanR on December 08, 2005, 05:33:55 PM
Understand something about high mass bias before ruining a good ball. Yes the finish is too polished but add a little surface overe the polish and the ball is really good.
Post by: Atochabsh on December 08, 2005, 06:15:57 PM
Lately the house I bowl in got a bit thicker oil and in the box condition was a bit skiddy for me. So I took it down from the box 4000 to 2000. It worked better, but I then had the shop take it down to 1000 and its back to being an unbelievable ball.
I don't know what you expect from a ball, but there's no magic pills. I also don't know what this EMB is. Are you talking about Morich's WMB? Because I have that ball also and its another great ball, though entirely different then The One. Few people have used more Ebonite equipment then I have. From the plastics (Eyeball, Zebra 100, Snuffy) to nearly all the Apexs, the TPC line, Reactive 8 Ball (unmatched in performance), the Tidalwave line, a couple V2s and the much underrated Tomestone. I know Ebonite equipment and The One is a fantastic ball. Ebonite has a tiger by the tail with this ball.
Erin
Post by: Atochabsh on December 08, 2005, 06:28:16 PM
Erin
Post by: solid9 on December 08, 2005, 06:28:52 PM
EMB's were a Track ball, there were 3 in the series, 2 of them were almost uncontrollable if not drilled right, and at that time not a lot of drillers had a lot of knowledge about asymetrical weight blocks.
Post by: Nicanor on December 08, 2005, 06:48:46 PM
You are right about the EMB. Thank you for clearing that up for those confused.
For those that did not read all the post on this subject, I did drill The One very, very close to the sticker. The only difference I drilled it at 43 degrees rather then 45 and I did take the surface down to 1000. and that did make it better. But still skids in oil. Throwing at the 7 pin is a new challenge with The One. It skids all the wasy through the oil like throwing a plastic ball. But I am making the adjustment.
The Tomestone was a ball before its time and I still have the ball. But in its time (when first released) the ball sucked. I should pull it out again and try it on some of today's heavier oil.
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Post by: northface28 on December 09, 2005, 10:44:45 AM
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Post by: Atochabsh on December 09, 2005, 12:02:56 PM
Erin
Post by: Nicanor on December 09, 2005, 12:21:12 PM
To further prove The One sucks in OOB condition, I drilled up the Big Time Pearl. I think both The One and the Big Time Pearl has the same OOB surface prep. The Big Time Pearl was considerably more consistent and crushed the pocket. Once I got lined up the the Big Time Pearl, I was crushing the pocket almost everytime. A 4 here a 10 there, but that was speed and release problems. But the release and sped problems wasn't pronouced nearly as much as making the same release mistakes as throwing The One.
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Post by: RotoBrook on December 11, 2005, 10:00:56 AM
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Post by: jls on December 16, 2005, 05:14:19 PM
GOOD LUCK AND DON'T GIVE UP ON THAT BALL, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS A SUPER BALL
WHEN USED ON THE RIGHT CONDITION.
Post by: jls on December 16, 2005, 05:23:28 PM
I SEE YOU FELT THAT THE BALL WAS TOO SHARP FOR YOUR STYLE,
I AM ASSUMMING YOU HAD THE BALL DRILLED ACCORDING TO EBONITES SHEET,
WHICH IS STRONG, STRONGER AND STRONGEST, YET FOR SOME BOWLERS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS IS TOO STRONG, A SMOOTHER DRILLING ON SUCH A STRONG MB BALL MAY HAVE WORKED FOR YOU. HOWEVER THERE IS NO SUCH DRILLING OFFER ON THIS BALL, BIG WARNING NOT TO DRILL MB IN TRACK. SO MOST SHOPS WILL NOT DO THAT, AND I CAN'T BLAME THEM, BECAUSE EBONITE HAS PUT IN INTO THE HEADS OF BOWLERS THAT THIS WILL NOT WORK, AND ONLY THERE PATTERNS WILL, BUT AS YOU HAVE NOW FOUND OUT AFTER $200.00 IT DOES NOT WORK FOR EVERYONE. I NOTICED THAT ON THE NEW SEEK AND DESTROY BALL BY MO RICH THERE IS NO SUCH WARNING, THEY ALSO DON'T SHOW A DRILLING LIKE THAT, BUT THEY DON'T PUT THE BIG X ON IT EITHER, THEY LEAVE IT UP TO THE PRO SHOPS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT THERE ARE SOME PRO SHOPS THAT ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
Post by: northface28 on December 16, 2005, 05:30:15 PM
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Post by: jls on December 16, 2005, 05:45:02 PM
IF YOU SAY IT WILL DO SOMETHING, THAN IT SHOULD DO IT.
BUT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM SEVERAL REVIEWS IT SOMETIMES NEEDS ADJUSTING
AS PER BRANDON WHO WAS GOING TO SELL THE BALL ON 12-9, NOW LOVES IT ON 12-16
POSSIBLY HAD SOME WORK DONE TO ADJUST COVER, BECAUSE EARLIER IT WAS TOO ANGULAR FOR HIM, NOW HE LOVES IT, AND THIS IS TRUE WITH MOST HIGH TECH BALLS
THE BOX FINISH IS A STARTING POINT, AND YOU NEED TO GIVE THE BALL TIME AMD SOMETIMES IT TAKES SEVERAL COVER CHANGES TO GET IT TO PERFORM FOR YOU.
THAT'S WHAT I LIVE BY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: a_ak57 on December 16, 2005, 05:52:28 PM
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Post by: Nicanor on December 16, 2005, 08:01:28 PM
I think The One works on certain conditions, but the conditions in our house change so quickly and so drastically that I can't move fast enough with ball and if I try to jump ahead, I skid too far and can't get it to recover.
I'm glad that bowlers are having a lot of luck with the ball, I'm just not .
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Post by: ImaRedbird on December 17, 2005, 05:46:40 AM
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Im jus a bird tryna fly
Post by: Billy Ray on December 17, 2005, 06:19:51 AM
I would suggest plugging it and redrilling it or selling it and getting another one and laying it out differently.
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