Post by: Hand of God on March 07, 2007, 08:39:27 PM
I am looking for an honest unbias reply from those of you that actually put 200 or so games on a ball from the ONE line... Especially looking for info on the Angular one.
Please be specific with your replies.
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Balls for this winter season:
Terminator - Stacked - Heavy to medium oil
Big Bang - Stacked - Medium oil
Kong - 4.5 x 4.5 - Medium to light oil
White Dot - Spare ball
Post by: Slopsurprise on March 08, 2007, 05:34:34 AM
I throw some L/L equpiment and if you are used to the durability of their stuff, you wont be happy.
Edited on 3/8/2007 6:32 AM
Post by: 102101 on March 08, 2007, 06:09:47 AM
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Post by: Robadat on March 08, 2007, 06:41:21 AM
I was considering doing a resurface job on it, but I am still happy with its overall reaction, so I'm holding off on doing that until the end of the season.
I have a good friend who has been using a Big One exclusively since it first came out. His ball still hooks quite a bit for him, but not as much as my One does. He has higher ball speed, but I have a higher rev rate. He doesn't work as hard as I do with cleaning and maintenance on his ball, he cleans his on an irregular basis.
The balls should last for you provided that you take the time to maintain them properly.
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Post by: Greg T on March 08, 2007, 07:20:28 AM
My orginal One died very quickly and my AO from this year is now a spare ball. Hopefully, the NV coerstocks will be more durable.
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Post by: Hand of God on March 08, 2007, 01:53:37 PM
Seems with the ONE line there is a trade off, you get great performance at first, but the ball death comes quickly.
AS many of us are not PBA bowlers, geting new balls every week, this proves to be a very sad situation for Ebonite loyals, and potential new Ebonite customers.
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Balls for this winter season:
Terminator - Stacked - Heavy to medium oil
Big Bang - Stacked - Medium oil
Kong - 4.5 x 4.5 - Medium to light oil
White Dot - Spare ball
Post by: chitown on March 08, 2007, 02:44:04 PM
Kepp this in mind. Even though these balls have a fast oil absorbing rate, it doesn't mean that they will die after few games. How much oil do you think is on a lane? It's not as much as people may think.
All bowling balls absorb oil. All bowling balls will loose there reaction at some time. A loss in reaction does not mean the ball won't react. It just means that it looses a little bit of it's overall hooking potential.
When a bowling balls gets a lot of games on it, just give it a hot water bath. This will extract a lot of the oil that was absorbed. Most of the balls reaction comes back after a hot water bath.
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Post by: Greg T on March 08, 2007, 02:56:31 PM
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Ebonite balls have no problems with loss of reaction. I've had quite a few Ebonite or Hammer balls over the past couple years and as long as you keep them clean and maintained properly (like any brand of bowing ball) they are just fine. Most people are just too lazy. It's not the ball it's the bowler...
The cookie cutter answer that comes in every one of these threads. Bull!! Ebo covers die. My Ebo covers die and you wont find anyone that takes better care of equipment. If you're throwing 500 RPM you wont really notice it as much. But for the average revver these balls will render themselves useless in a short period of time. I'm not saying ALL of them do, because obviously, I cant throw every ball. But i've had many, MANY Ebo covers die in the last few years.
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Post by: BigRoss on March 08, 2007, 03:05:31 PM
If you clean and maintain your ball properly,
you won't have any problems.
My Angular absorbs a ton of oil and will lose some hook, but a hot water bath
will bring it back to it's normal reaction.
Post by: Greg T on March 08, 2007, 03:18:30 PM
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Woooly pretty much covered it.
If you clean and maintain your ball properly,
you won't have any problems.
My Angular absorbs a ton of oil and will lose some hook, but a hot water bath
will bring it back to it's normal reaction.
BS. Another cookie cutter response. If you word this to say that YOUR Ebo covers dont die, then i'll believe you. But to have YOU tell ME that mine didn't die?? Not a chance, pal. Mine have been cleaned every set, wiped between shots, deep cleaned every 4 sets, and had the surface touched up when necessary. Soaking, baking, beating, burying in a sandpile, dropping from the space shuttle, wiped accross a baby's butt wont help these balls. Ebo even took the Orginal One back and replaced it. So, in my basement i have a Primal Instinct, Savage Flip, and an AO that are boat anchors. I got rid of the rest.
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Post by: BigRoss on March 08, 2007, 03:37:21 PM
Post by: Phillip Marlowe on March 08, 2007, 03:59:53 PM
Here is the tradeoff from what I have seen. For 80-100 games (that's essentially a season in a league and, if you have two or three balls, a full season if you switch off even in multiple leagues) the AO is very good. Sometime at the end of that period, it goes tube.
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Post by: jls on March 08, 2007, 04:00:04 PM
now i know that greg is into cleaning his coverstocks. so when something like this happens, can;t explain it.
recently i had three bowlers who all felt their hammers died. two have spinner's and do big time cleaning. the third never ever cleaned his ball.
usually just wiped it down with a dirty towel.
so i can see greg's point. hard to explain, but it does happen.
hate to say this but, one of them brought the ball into me to be restored.
we gave it the whole nine yards. drew the oil out, resurfaced it, but he still felt the ball had lost it.
we did the same thing on the customer who never cleaned his ball, and it worked out well for him.
go figure.
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Post by: BT808 on March 08, 2007, 06:25:30 PM
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Post by: kingpin268 on March 08, 2007, 06:42:43 PM
Now I've put lots of games on my V2's and they're still going strong til one cracked. My old V2 sanded probably had over 1000 games on it and it was still one of my favorites. My XXcel has had over 100 games on it as well and I think it's stronger than day one. The BigTime has yet to lose any reaction after 20 games or so. I haven't thrown it much lol but still.
I'd be willing to bet as long as you take care of your equipment and deep clean regularly, all will be well. If you want to dish out 200+ for a ball and neglect it, than that is your problem because it will lose reaction.
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Post by: BrooklynSlop on March 08, 2007, 06:49:50 PM
It is a symptom of the aggressive soaker covers that they are using. Take it or leave it, but be prepared to spend replacement money.
Now, not ALL Ebonite balls "die". This is a bit of a misconception, although they do have the reputation and there is obviously a REASON that this rep has started to preceed them.
Just my observations. No sugar coating and no bashing. Simply my experiences.
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Post by: Xfest on March 08, 2007, 07:38:36 PM
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Ebonite balls have no problems with loss of reaction. I've had quite a few Ebonite or Hammer balls over the past couple years and as long as you keep them clean and maintained properly (like any brand of bowing ball) they are just fine. Most people are just too lazy. It's not the ball it's the bowler...
The cookie cutter answer that comes in every one of these threads. Bull!! Ebo covers die. My Ebo covers die and you wont find anyone that takes better care of equipment. If you're throwing 500 RPM you wont really notice it as much. But for the average revver these balls will render themselves useless in a short period of time. I'm not saying ALL of them do, because obviously, I cant throw every ball. But i've had many, MANY Ebo covers die in the last few years.
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I own 3 Ebonite balls. Do not state an opinion of yours as a fact, without any statistics or proof.
Ebonite Angular One - 25 Games - still doing awesome
Ebonite Total NV - Near 40 Games - Best condition yet
Ebonite Smash Time Pearl - 15 Games - and still beautiful
400 + RPM's although.
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Ebonite Total NV 
Ebonite Angular One
Hammer Black Widow 
Ebonite Smash Time Pearl"Ey, Yo Crank! What ball was that?"
Post by: Greg T on March 08, 2007, 09:10:57 PM
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I own 3 Ebonite balls. Do not state an opinion of yours as a fact, without any statistics or proof.
Ebonite Angular One - 25 Games - still doing awesome
Ebonite Total NV - Near 40 Games - Best condition yet
Ebonite Smash Time Pearl - 15 Games - and still beautiful
400 + RPM's although.
I did not state an opinion as fact. I stated a fact. Many Many of my Ebos died. That is a fact. I dont give a rat's bag what yours did. Mine died. I would gladly send them to you to test for yourself but I gave them all away. I have my AO left and Ebo replaced a couple of them which I sold. Fact. And your balls? 25 games....40 games.....just wait a bit.
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Post by: Gazoo on March 09, 2007, 07:21:24 AM
Post by: Djarum on March 09, 2007, 07:29:30 AM
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My experience is like Greg's. The Ebonite covers I have used and seen used generally have a short shelf life. People who throw slower or higher revs don't notice the loss of reaction as much, but they do lose reaction when I watch them. Almost all covers have the problem. Ebonite is not alone: TEC and TEC2 were horrible, as were the WOWII and later coverstocks from Track. Superflex and PK18 were much better, but they too lose reaction overtime. Ebonite ADMITS its equipment tends to lose reaction, they admitted it in their materials for "Hook Again."
Here is the tradeoff from what I have seen. For 80-100 games (that's essentially a season in a league and, if you have two or three balls, a full season if you switch off even in multiple leagues) the AO is very good. Sometime at the end of that period, it goes tube.
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"Now lets see you do something really tough. Like getting up."
I'm not sure about ebo balls, but I have a Track freak with Wow or Wow II with probably 1000 games on it, and it still reacts like the first day I threw it. I also have a fired up with almost as many games, and it hasn't lost any reaction. I will say that niether of those balls have the oil absorbtion rate that the one series has.
Dj
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Post by: Leonidas on March 09, 2007, 07:48:28 AM
My brother did buy one at the same time and use it at Medium to Dry. First it hooks, as soon as he learned to get a little hand on it burns up in the middle of the lanes. After a Month it dies. He resurfaced it an have it know on 2000 he use it on once in a week playing deep on Medium to Oily conditions and it works by far better then in OOB with no loss in over 100 games...BUT... he loves hes Bowling Balls, he give them names (kind of crazy) and clean every one after each set religiously.
Post by: nd300 on March 09, 2007, 09:52:29 AM
I have yet to see a loss of reaction.My specs are in my profile.Draw your own conclusions as to why Greg's and others have died,where others to include mine,haven't died...........
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Post by: Phillip Marlowe on March 09, 2007, 11:11:02 AM
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My experience is like Greg's. The Ebonite covers I have used and seen used generally have a short shelf life. People who throw slower or higher revs don't notice the loss of reaction as much, but they do lose reaction when I watch them. Almost all covers have the problem. Ebonite is not alone: TEC and TEC2 were horrible, as were the WOWII and later coverstocks from Track. Superflex and PK18 were much better, but they too lose reaction overtime. Ebonite ADMITS its equipment tends to lose reaction, they admitted it in their materials for "Hook Again."
Here is the tradeoff from what I have seen. For 80-100 games (that's essentially a season in a league and, if you have two or three balls, a full season if you switch off even in multiple leagues) the AO is very good. Sometime at the end of that period, it goes tube.
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"Now lets see you do something really tough. Like getting up."
I'm not sure about ebo balls, but I have a Track freak with Wow or Wow II with probably 1000 games on it, and it still reacts like the first day I threw it. I also have a fired up with almost as many games, and it hasn't lost any reaction. I will say that niether of those balls have the oil absorbtion rate that the one series has.
Dj
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DJ, I believe you believe that. But I think if I showed you tapes of how the ball originally reacted and how it reacts now, you would see the difference. Balls are different, one from another because of inconsistency in coverstock mixes, curing, manufacturing etc. But all balls lose reaction, and it is harder to see with dull balls than shiny balls, because dull balls (because of their "rougher") surface will tend to be smoother and earlier to begin with and as long as the surface stays dull, then simply move to reacting like a dull urethane ball. The Freak, for example, lost the "snappy" reaction it had for me and for almost everyone I know if it was kept on the shinier side. Kept dull, it hooked less and became more like a dull urethane ball over time. I see this all the time. I have a teammate who throws a dull, ebonite gyro urethane. His ball "hooks", sometimes a lot. But it does not have the type of reaction a new reactive or particle ball has. Put a "dead" Freak in his hands and he'll probably notice an increase in hook but a very similar reaction.
The fact is, the more arcy a ball is, the less you will notice ball death because the change in reaction is gradual. I have a fired up and it lasted about 800 games (with a couple of resurfacings) until it because essentially a shiny urethane.
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Post by: Slopsurprise on March 09, 2007, 11:24:08 AM
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Ebonite balls have no problems with loss of reaction. I've had quite a few Ebonite or Hammer balls over the past couple years and as long as you keep them clean and maintained properly (like any brand of bowing ball) they are just fine. Most people are just too lazy. It's not the ball it's the bowler...
The cookie cutter answer that comes in every one of these threads. Bull!! Ebo covers die. My Ebo covers die and you wont find anyone that takes better care of equipment. If you're throwing 500 RPM you wont really notice it as much. But for the average revver these balls will render themselves useless in a short period of time. I'm not saying ALL of them do, because obviously, I cant throw every ball. But i've had many, MANY Ebo covers die in the last few years.
--------------------A liberal is like a 10 year old playing Robin Hood.
I agree with the excpetion of the Rev rate unless the rev rate is very slow or speed dominant. IMO, if you are bowling on your usual THS/fine china that is when you will notice the difference. Way too much friction on one of those shots. Anything hooks on them. I have personally seen MANY die also.
I have no reason to make up tales about Ebonite ball death. I personally like them and their reactions but, I cant handle them going away so quickly.
Edited on 3/9/2007 12:26 PM
Post by: sumo8me on March 09, 2007, 11:36:16 AM
Post by: Greg T on March 09, 2007, 12:36:58 PM
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I agree with the excpetion of the Rev rate unless the rev rate is very slow or speed dominant. IMO, if you are bowling on your usual THS/fine china that is when you will notice the difference. Way too much friction on one of those shots. Anything hooks on them. I have personally seen MANY die also.
I have no reason to make up tales about Ebonite ball death. I personally like them and their reactions but, I cant handle them going away so quickly.
And I have no reason to fabricate anything about Ebo because i love their equipment. They are the only balls that match my game. I will continue to use them.
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I was just wondering if any of you guys that said that they had lost ball reaction if you tried the ebonite hook again chamber thing. From what i read its pretty good. i was just wondering if it really worked.
Read the entire thread. I own the Hook Again system.
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Post by: chitown on March 09, 2007, 04:39:56 PM
In fact, i've never had a ball die before. What happens when your bowling balls die? Does it hook like a white dot? I'm curious because i've never seen this before. Like I said, i've had balls loose there overall reaction once they break in. I have never seen a ball die persay and not hook anymore.
I guess I must have some good luck when it comes to this. For the guys that experience ball death should consider buying mid-priced equipment and just tossing the ball in the garabage after each season.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
Post by: Greg T on March 09, 2007, 06:52:37 PM
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I'm shocked at all the responses about ball death. I have had several bowling balls that had tons of games on them. Not one of those bowling balls died. Yes some have lost that NIB reaction but still hook nice and hit hard.
In fact, i've never had a ball die before. What happens when your bowling balls die? Does it hook like a white dot? I'm curious because i've never seen this before. Like I said, i've had balls loose there overall reaction once they break in. I have never seen a ball die persay and not hook anymore.
I guess I must have some good luck when it comes to this. For the guys that experience ball death should consider buying mid-priced equipment and just tossing the ball in the garabage after each season.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
As I said, I have an AO that is a spare ball now. Nearly poker straight. I have had The One die, a Primal Instinct, a Savage Flip, and a few others. They just go straight.
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Post by: Djarum on March 09, 2007, 07:54:53 PM
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My experience is like Greg's. The Ebonite covers I have used and seen used generally have a short shelf life. People who throw slower or higher revs don't notice the loss of reaction as much, but they do lose reaction when I watch them. Almost all covers have the problem. Ebonite is not alone: TEC and TEC2 were horrible, as were the WOWII and later coverstocks from Track. Superflex and PK18 were much better, but they too lose reaction overtime. Ebonite ADMITS its equipment tends to lose reaction, they admitted it in their materials for "Hook Again."
Here is the tradeoff from what I have seen. For 80-100 games (that's essentially a season in a league and, if you have two or three balls, a full season if you switch off even in multiple leagues) the AO is very good. Sometime at the end of that period, it goes tube.
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"Now lets see you do something really tough. Like getting up."
I'm not sure about ebo balls, but I have a Track freak with Wow or Wow II with probably 1000 games on it, and it still reacts like the first day I threw it. I also have a fired up with almost as many games, and it hasn't lost any reaction. I will say that niether of those balls have the oil absorbtion rate that the one series has.
Dj
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DJ, I believe you believe that. But I think if I showed you tapes of how the ball originally reacted and how it reacts now, you would see the difference. Balls are different, one from another because of inconsistency in coverstock mixes, curing, manufacturing etc. But all balls lose reaction, and it is harder to see with dull balls than shiny balls, because dull balls (because of their "rougher") surface will tend to be smoother and earlier to begin with and as long as the surface stays dull, then simply move to reacting like a dull urethane ball. The Freak, for example, lost the "snappy" reaction it had for me and for almost everyone I know if it was kept on the shinier side. Kept dull, it hooked less and became more like a dull urethane ball over time. I see this all the time. I have a teammate who throws a dull, ebonite gyro urethane. His ball "hooks", sometimes a lot. But it does not have the type of reaction a new reactive or particle ball has. Put a "dead" Freak in his hands and he'll probably notice an increase in hook but a very similar reaction.
The fact is, the more arcy a ball is, the less you will notice ball death because the change in reaction is gradual. I have a fired up and it lasted about 800 games (with a couple of resurfacings) until it because essentially a shiny urethane.
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"Now lets see you do something really tough. Like getting up."
Well, in all fairness, I do keep it dull. But it still snaps when there is oil on the lanes. When there isn't, the ball rolls at about 30 feet, and hooks and dies. I also play outside lines where there usually isn't the same volume of oil that thre is inside, so I don't have these massive oil rings that some folks have. They are putting the same shot down now as they did 2 or 3 years ago, and I still get the same reaction.
I found that the fired up didn't really start shining for me until I put 50 games on it. Even after I got it resurfaced, I had to wait another 50 or so games to get it back to where it was. I have a TKO that probably has 1500 games on it, and hooks as much as my fired up does. I just don't throw it because its 16lb. But then again, that was power plus reactive, and it was like superflex..not a whole lot of oil absorbtion.
I'm not entirely disagreeing with you, but I suppose that I have seen with the one series is that they just become duds after a few hundred games. My fired up might hook one or two boards less than when I first owned it, but I've seen the ones go from hook monsters to plastic in half a season.
Dj
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Post by: Slopsurprise on March 09, 2007, 08:31:12 PM
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I'm shocked at all the responses about ball death. I have had several bowling balls that had tons of games on them. Not one of those bowling balls died. Yes some have lost that NIB reaction but still hook nice and hit hard.
In fact, i've never had a ball die before. What happens when your bowling balls die? Does it hook like a white dot? I'm curious because i've never seen this before. Like I said, i've had balls loose there overall reaction once they break in. I have never seen a ball die persay and not hook anymore.
I guess I must have some good luck when it comes to this. For the guys that experience ball death should consider buying mid-priced equipment and just tossing the ball in the garabage after each season.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
You have got to be kidding. As far as what a dead ball does, I threw a buddys dead One (he didnt think it was dead BTW) and it had no defined backend. It would not hook on oil or dry. Actually, I threw my white dot on the same line and I covered alot more boards with the white dot. He got the ball at the beggining of the season and it is DOA now. Another friends angular one, same story.
Post by: rowdy on March 09, 2007, 08:49:42 PM
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Post by: chitown on March 09, 2007, 10:51:18 PM
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You have got to be kidding. As far as what a dead ball does, I threw a buddys dead One (he didnt think it was dead BTW) and it had no defined backend. It would not hook on oil or dry. Actually, I threw my white dot on the same line and I covered alot more boards with the white dot. He got the ball at the beggining of the season and it is DOA now. Another friends angular one, same story.
I'm not kidding bud. I'm being completely serious about this subject. I have seen some bowling balls loose there hitting power and hook but not to the point where it acted like a spare ball. I'm sorry but I have never seen this.
You say your buddies ONE hooked less than your WHITE DOT on the same line. Well then you guys must have been bowling on some serious dry lanes. Are you sure it wasn't burning up? Now I have seen balls burn up and not hook much. I have seen bowling balls burn up and not hit good. I have never seen a performance ball loose all it's hook and ended up hooking less than plastic. Now way have I ever seen that.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
Post by: Greg T on March 09, 2007, 10:54:02 PM
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You have got to be kidding. As far as what a dead ball does, I threw a buddys dead One (he didnt think it was dead BTW) and it had no defined backend. It would not hook on oil or dry. Actually, I threw my white dot on the same line and I covered alot more boards with the white dot. He got the ball at the beggining of the season and it is DOA now. Another friends angular one, same story.
I'm not kidding bud. I'm being completely serious about this subject. I have seen some bowling balls loose there hitting power and hook but not to the point where it acted like a spare ball. I'm sorry but I have never seen this.
You say your buddies ONE hooked less than your WHITE DOT on the same line. Well then you guys must have been bowling on some serious dry lanes. Are you sure it wasn't burning up? Now I have seen balls burn up and not hook much. I have seen bowling balls burn up and not hit good. I have never seen a performance ball loose all it's hook and ended up hooking less than plastic. Now way have I ever seen that.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
Come to Escanaba next Wednesdy and i'll show you.
Post by: ambi1 on March 09, 2007, 11:09:36 PM
quote:quote:
Woooly pretty much covered it.
If you clean and maintain your ball properly,
you won't have any problems.
My Angular absorbs a ton of oil and will lose some hook, but a hot water bath
will bring it back to it's normal reaction.
BS. Another cookie cutter response. If you word this to say that YOUR Ebo covers dont die, then i'll believe you. But to have YOU tell ME that mine didn't die?? Not a chance, pal. Mine have been cleaned every set, wiped between shots, deep cleaned every 4 sets, and had the surface touched up when necessary. Soaking, baking, beating, burying in a sandpile, dropping from the space shuttle, wiped accross a baby's butt wont help these balls. Ebo even took the Orginal One back and replaced it. So, in my basement i have a Primal Instinct, Savage Flip, and an AO that are boat anchors. I got rid of the rest.
--------------------A liberal is like a 10 year old playing Robin Hood.
What's the spec on the flip??
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DARK BEER IT IS THEN!
Post by: ambi1 on March 09, 2007, 11:27:36 PM
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I'm shocked at all the responses about ball death. I have had several bowling balls that had tons of games on them. Not one of those bowling balls died. Yes some have lost that NIB reaction but still hook nice and hit hard.
In fact, i've never had a ball die before. What happens when your bowling balls die? Does it hook like a white dot? I'm curious because i've never seen this before. Like I said, i've had balls loose there overall reaction once they break in. I have never seen a ball die persay and not hook anymore.
I guess I must have some good luck when it comes to this. For the guys that experience ball death should consider buying mid-priced equipment and just tossing the ball in the garabage after each season.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
I was also wondering... I have some very old balls that still performs.
bought a Tiger, Pantera, Apex Intensity in 1999. Was really into bowling then. I had two leagues and would practice about 2 to 3 day (8 games each) Practice tapered off in 2005. That's about 1000 per year. Not counting the big open tournaments. Yes the reaction is not that same as new -this is to be expected. But about two months ago still shot a 257 game with the tiger, still can't use the apex cause oil is getting scarce. The Pantera I would say has lost the most.. but it was my most used ball on heavy oil.
about 3 years ago, bought 2nd hand from a national player a flip and an obsession. That obsession has cracked ( a nice straight line LOL!!), but prior to that was a dependable ball for heavy lanes (highest was a 279), the flip is still going strong.
Have a savage pearl that is about 4 years old and still has a continous hook. About 2000 plus games at least on that ball.
and so on.. I do wipe after every shot, a carry over from urethane days. do extra cleaning with Hook it and renew it every few months. Haven't had to do a water bath, or Ebo's hook-again since the oil patterns became lighter. (about 18 months now.)
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Post by: Slopsurprise on March 10, 2007, 06:15:09 AM
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You have got to be kidding. As far as what a dead ball does, I threw a buddys dead One (he didnt think it was dead BTW) and it had no defined backend. It would not hook on oil or dry. Actually, I threw my white dot on the same line and I covered alot more boards with the white dot. He got the ball at the beggining of the season and it is DOA now. Another friends angular one, same story.
I'm not kidding bud. I'm being completely serious about this subject. I have seen some bowling balls loose there hitting power and hook but not to the point where it acted like a spare ball. I'm sorry but I have never seen this.
You say your buddies ONE hooked less than your WHITE DOT on the same line. Well then you guys must have been bowling on some serious dry lanes. Are you sure it wasn't burning up? Now I have seen balls burn up and not hook much. I have seen bowling balls burn up and not hit good. I have never seen a performance ball loose all it's hook and ended up hooking less than plastic. Now way have I ever seen that.
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HAMMER NO MERCY is Un-freaking real! Using this ball is like cheating!
I know how to read ball reaction buddy. I am 100% positive it was not burning up! Ball was actually that dead!