Post by: agroves on February 03, 2006, 06:08:45 PM
Our spans were fairly close, so I asked to toss his The One. It was drilled pin under ring, which makes it about 4 1/2" from my pap, with the mb 1 1/2" right of my thumb. OOB finish.
I don't see what the fuss is all about. On carrydown, it didn't do anything. Skid city, this was after a league got off the lanes. I used his Vapor Zone, drilled pin next to ring, about 4" from my pap, psa near the val. The Vapor made The One look flat tame.
He used it(the one) when the VZ started to overhook.
On fresh backends, it still didn't hook as much as I thought it would.
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Post by: charlest on February 04, 2006, 05:41:15 AM
What other ball that you know of when finished at 4000 grit Plus a coat of polish on it would handle carrydown?
Why would you think such a ball would handle carrydown?
From what I have seen the true promise of The One is its versatility. It SEEMS that no matter how you drill it (although 99% appear to be drilled strong) the cover change makes it work to almost any amount of oil, when your release and the cover match the oil pattern, of course.
Now I haven't decided about the One, because I am concerned about the longevity issue, but if you have the right cover, this ball seems to perform wonders. The hit is almost always surprisingly powerful. If only EVERYTHING about it weren't so new and unpredictable ...
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Post by: agroves on February 04, 2006, 05:52:53 AM
You'll have to change your preferences of course, but you'll see there are some that say it "ignores" it.
While I agree, it should squirt with that finish, I still wasn't impressed with fresh backends. The VZ and my Rampage looked much better, for me anyway.
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Post by: charlest on February 04, 2006, 06:05:38 AM
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You'll have to change your preferences of course, but you'll see there are some that say it "ignores" it.
C'mon. You know better. Some of what some, actually most of what some people say here has to be taken with a pound of salt. The OOB surface is for medium to medium light oil in most people's hands. It seems to take to surface changes as well as any other ball I've seen. This comments are always: so far.
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While I agree, it should squirt with that finish, I still wasn't impressed with fresh backends. The VZ and my Rampage looked much better, for me anyway.
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That's always possible. I've just pointed out what I've seen. I have NOT seen it being more powerful than all other balls, just powerful enough to be considered, POTENTIALLY, a great ball.
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Post by: agroves on February 04, 2006, 06:12:39 AM
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Post by: scotts33 on February 04, 2006, 06:26:27 AM
I get one look with the OOB finish vs. a large change with 1000 abralon. 2000 abralon is how I have it now. Seems for me on the lane conditions I see is about right.
I think you might be selling the ball short.
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Post by: charlest on February 04, 2006, 09:45:09 AM
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With my One I finally found a condition it didn't work on. I practiced after a senior league yesterday when there was a lot of carrydown. My One is in OOB condition. I threw the fifst ball down and it went straight. I couldn't believe it. I kept moving right until I could hit the pocket and it wouldn't carry very well because it wasn't finishing strong enough. I was throwing up first arrow and couldn't carry a ten pin. I shoot 165 and then 195. I switched to my Arsenal Reactive throw the same line and shoot 279, and then 300. The ball wasn't hooking much more but carried everything. I haven't tried sanding the One yet, I was afraid if I did I would lose the good backend reaction is has when there is some backend.
Thus, exactly the point we've been making in all the above posts.
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Post by: BrunsMike on February 04, 2006, 11:34:03 PM
Since i have been using it. the hook tamed down about 10 boards total as i expected. I wouldnt call this ball a skid/flip ball more as strong arching. As for carry down, I can get about half way through 3rd game before I start to notice the ball hesitating to hook. So it does delay carry down effects by about 5-7 frames, it does not completely ignore carry down. No ball ever will. I love the ball! Ebonite gained a new fan here.--------------------
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Post by: toomanytenpins on February 05, 2006, 05:00:43 PM
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Post by: Atochabsh on February 05, 2006, 10:43:14 PM
Man! you threw a ball not drilled for you. Probably not layed out for your style and you may or maynot have played the right part of the lane for the ball. Plus you have no idea what cover condition the ball was in. We dont' even know if you played the Vapor Zone and The One in the same part of the lane do we?
And you want to dish one ball over another? Come on!
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Post by: agroves on February 05, 2006, 11:52:25 PM
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With the two drills you described, I'm not surpised. But you also dont' tell us what part of the lane you were playing. I can get The One to skid for days if I just play the wrong part of the lane. Plus you dont' tell us if The One you used was in box condition, if it was...how many games were on it.
Man! you threw a ball not drilled for you. Probably not layed out for your style and you may or maynot have played the right part of the lane for the ball. Plus you have no idea what cover condition the ball was in. We dont' even know if you played the Vapor Zone and The One in the same part of the lane do we?
And you want to dish one ball over another? Come on!
Erin
Simmer down, you are taking this wayyy to personal. Same "part" of the lane, inside 20-13. No it wasn't drilled for my stats, but I gave the pin to pap measurements as if it WERE my stats. Please reread the post, it states OOB finish on The One, same with the VZ.
Please explain how I can dish a ball? With a Fork perhaps?
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Post by: agroves on February 10, 2006, 07:42:05 PM
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very hard to believe your story.
Wow, could you please elaborate what is so hard to believe?
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Post by: Rileybowler on February 10, 2006, 07:54:41 PM
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Post by: agroves on February 10, 2006, 08:08:30 PM
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Post by: agroves on February 10, 2006, 11:03:28 PM
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I jUST THINK YOUR STORY IS FULL OF HOLES YOU MUST BE THE ONLY GUY WHO CAN'T HOOK THIS BALL, I OWN THIS AND A V2 AND THE ONE OUT HOOKS THE V2 BY FIVE BOARDS. THIS ONE IS HOT CAUSE IT WORKS AND FOR SOME REASON YOUR TRYING TO LIE AND HACK ON IT. JUST CALLING YOUR BLUFF, NOW PUT THE BUMPERS BACK UP AND RESUME BOWLING.
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I never said I couldn't hook it, nor did I say it was a bad ball. I am just not understanding the hype. I've been looking at it for myself, but just don't have a place for it.
Secondly, if it outhooks your V2 by 5 boards what does that mean. Maybe your story is full of holes, I doubt THE One is more aggressive than the v2 even with surface. The One might have more backend, but outhook it on oil....I doubt it.
Finally, I never lied about anything. Read any review I've written, those are facts based on MY game, my THS, in MY center. If you are too narrow minded to figure out that what works for you may not work for another, then I don't know what to say... I gave it a fair chance, nothing more and nothing less. I don't hate Ebonites equipment, but I don't use it either. My high series is with an Ebonite ball, nothing personal just opinions...
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Post by: agroves on February 11, 2006, 07:29:11 AM
I guess my rampage outhooks my UI....huh?
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Post by: nd300 on February 11, 2006, 07:34:14 AM
Yes I'm still at RR Lanes. The Author is still in the pro shop and doing his usual excellent job. The lack of high scoring isn't his fault,but operator error on my part
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Post by: tonybowls on February 11, 2006, 07:10:05 PM
Post by: agroves on February 11, 2006, 11:07:06 PM
Please see the second sentence again.
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Post by: Greg T on February 11, 2006, 11:28:11 PM
He's a douchebag. I have two V2 Powers that outhook my One by a ton. They're not as quick, but they still out hook it. But, what they dont do is out hit. The One powers that pocket like nothing I've seen. Sounds like a crack of thunder going through the pin deck.
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Manfred von Richthoffen for moderator!!! Post by: Redline on February 12, 2006, 01:17:16 AM
Since we are talking The One OOB...everyone here seems to agree that despite Ebonite's marketing, this ball is NOT a heavy oil monster.
For me on a fresh THS this ball does nothing but skid. However, the backend reaction of this ball does still compensate. But I don't find it surprising that a ball like the Vapor Zone outhooks this ball. The VZ is one heck of a ball.
Keep in mind that those results were on a fresh shot.
When the shot broke down or I have trouble finding lines, this is where The One really shines. Keep in mind, this is still in box finish. With 10 people bowling on a pair playing a similar line, the lane changes real quick, real fast. This is a variable, alongside the fact the house only oils once a day. Most of equipment is WAY to strong for this shot. The One however isn't. This ball is definitely the "go to" ball in terms of getting a good read on the condtion, finding a line, and finding a consistent ball reaction and breakpoint. Of all the Storm, Brunswick, Columbia, Roto-Star, etc (I'm a ball freak), this ball is by far my favorite ball for when I need to go fishing for a line (which happens all the time).
If you look at other posts, there have been TONS of love / hate relationships with this ball. Some love OOB like myself, some make some minor surface changes or re-drills, and unfortunately some have had horrible experiences with this ball. It's no surprise, just like any pairing in life, you need to have a good match in order to work.
So while agroves results may not be consistent chilli911, I don't think it's fair to practically flame agroves' results. Ebonite "may" have made a mistake in terms of the ball's overall hook potential, but they sure don't guarantee that everyone will have the same results with the ball.
Post by: Pin_Daddy on February 12, 2006, 07:47:57 AM
He hasn't done anything to me personally, but just from browsing this thread he doesn't seem to be doing anything to add to the community.
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Post by: Greg T on February 12, 2006, 08:35:11 AM
Well, looks like all he can do is click the quote button. Cant write anything on his own. Not surpising, though, based upon the few posts he's made in a thread that disappeared, he hasn't the intelligence to make an insightful or educated post.
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Manfred von Richthoffen for moderator!!! Post by: Greg T on February 12, 2006, 12:22:54 PM
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SO WHAT INTELLIGENT THING HAVE YOU POSTED ORKBOY? JUST STATED I THINK ARGROVES STORY IS BUNK, THATS ALL. ALL YOU BOWLING GEEKS GO TILT. MAN I WOULD LOVE TO BOWL YOU GUYS FOR MONEY, A FEW COMMENTS AND I WOULD HAVE YOU OFF YOUR GAME SO BAD. A COUPLE FIST PUMPS AFTER A STRIKE AND YOU BE DOING THE MIKE SCROGGINS HAD SCRATCH.
I'll give you the same answer here as I did in the thread you deleted because of embarrassment. "This coming from a guy who bowls twice a month and most likely doesnt even own The One or a V2."
I have two V2s that will outhook my One even at 1000 grit wet sand. And if you don't like that then show us proof to the contrary, ChilliBoy. Or, should I say....Fatguy!!!!
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Manfred von Richthoffen for moderator!!! Post by: Greg T on February 12, 2006, 03:37:40 PM
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i AM SURE YOUR GOOD AT KNOWING WHAT KIND OF BALLS A GUY HAS ORK
It's easy for a guy like you, who has none.
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Post by: Greg T on February 12, 2006, 06:32:41 PM
I am going to refrain from any major comment about The One until I converse with Ebo tech support. I will say this. When I got it 7 or 8 weeks ago it was the best ball I have ever thrown, BAR NONE. That is all i'm going to say right now. A major post about The One may or may not be coming in the near future. We'll see.
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