well since i got my big time and i love it, i figured i would bring out a ball i haven't used i about 4 years and see what happened. I don't know why I ever put this ball away. I looks like crap, its all scratched up from crappy ball returns, hell my cat even pissed on it at one time. I used on league fri after I cleaned it of course and I was amazed at how well this ball performed on a med house shot. Shot 212, 199, 223. My first 600 in a while, been in kind of mental slump lately. I am going to pick up another one off ebay. just goes to show you don't need the newest and greatest to shoot.