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Equipment Boards => Ebonite => Topic started by: dale jenkins on September 26, 2008, 01:36:58 AM
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Remember when bowling was about skill? Yesterday the low scorer on our team threw an Ebonite NVD and kicked our butts. He’s never hooked a ball like that in his life. Ebonite balls have too much technology in them.
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Just so we know ahead of time are you going to bash all the manufactures or should they just all go out of business....
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It is like saying that starting blocks for the 100 meters should be ban and go back to the days of Jesse Owens. Days in which you had to dig with your toes a hole in the ground so you can have a good start. Take away the new swimsuits and do not shave the hairs of your body. Take away the new tennis rackets and go back to tennis rackets made out of wood. Take away the new bats and balls from baseball. Take away the new clubs and balls from golf. Avoid the new knowledge and better physical fitness of today's athletes. You can go on and on in every sport. Progress is inevitable. Unless people wants to continue living in caves.
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It's not progress, if technology replaces skill.
Dale
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Doesn't everyone have the right to purchase that same ball. There are going to be days where the low guy is going to beat the upper guys but its not going to happen often
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every company out there are designing balls that can hook with little help thats just the way the game has progressed either join in or shut up and get out of the game there is no use complaining yeah bowlers who lack as much talent as others can compete but if ya wont a true test then sack up and take a sport shot
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Progress is technology and new skills in using the new technology.
So Tiger Woods does not have skills because he is using the new technology that has been brought into Golf. Michael Phelps and Dara Torres don't have skills because they are using new technology in their swimming. The word easy is relative to the era or place that you have lived and will be living.
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It's not progress, if technology replaces skill.
Dale
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Another person for my ignore list..
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So let me see if I have this straight, Dale. You're probably in your late 50's, early 60's, you used to dominate locally back when everyone used urethane and plastic, the improvements in technology have done nothing to improve your game because your game is very simple and you don't have much hand, plus you're too stubborn to change your ways, and you're jealous of all the people that can hook the lane and average 225 while you still plug away at a 195-200 pace regardless of the equipment in your hand.
How'd I do?
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If you haven't noticed, this kind of thing happens with all sports. Technology is helping lower skill levels achieve better scores, but the best are still the best, no matter they are using. You have to rise to the next level, so stop complaining and practice to make yourself better.
In golf, clubs and balls are allowing people to hit it longer and give more forgiveness in off center hits. But the pros are still the best cause they can outscore the rest of us no matter what they are hitting.
In baseball you have guys using lighter bats so they can swing harder with less effort and the balls are of higher quality and made much more consistantly. But again, the pro's would be good hitters no matter what they are swinging with and at.
Yes, technology has helped, but you still have to have the skills to good at the sport, no matter what you are using.
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It's not progress, if technology replaces skill.
Dale
This ball started rolling sometime in the mid 1800s. It was called the Industrial Revolution. Around 1993 or so, it started applying to bowling with the intro of resin coverstocks. What makes you think you can stop now that it affects you?
"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
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No the thing that ruined the game of bowling is us!!! When lane people started making the lanes tougher with oil then we started asking for more powerful bowling balls. When the balls got to good for the oil then the oil changed. Its a cycle people its never goin to stop!! bowling will never be the same, yea ball companies make better stuff than ever but they have no prolbems selling them. As for the fact that the low man on your team dale had the high score.. IT happens!!! get over it!! This is still a skill sport if it was easy everyone would be on the pro tour averaging 290, but there not!!!
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Stikecing you are right on when you said it's on us. If we want to make our sport better we have to change it. It's like NASCAR. When the cars got too good, they put on restrictor plates. The technology and performance of the equipment is too good. We need restrictor plates for the balls.
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Restrictor plates were put in place on the certain tracks partly for safety speed vs size of track. There are already some restrictions similair to what you are asking in place example min and max RG. What do you want everybody to use plastic or rubber. If you want to stay in the 60's and 70's of technology there is still candlepin bowling available in some places. What you are asking is absurd. So Auto Manufacturers should go back to producing cars that only get 8-10 miles a gallon. The only thing constant in the world today is change.
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Bad NASCAR analogy there. The restrictor plates weren't because they were "too good", it was due to safety reasons. They were doing over 200MPH back in the 60s.
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The bowling ball technology is fine. Bowl something other than your THS and see if you still average 210-220.
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...Yesterday the low scorer on our team threw an Ebonite NVD and kicked our butts...
Then buy one for yourself and join the revolution...
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There no reason to complain and spend all this time on this subject. The world of bowling will lose people no matter what!! If we keep making bowling balls better and better we will lose the people that used urenthane and plastic. If we stop the ball companies from making better balls we will lose alot of young people that want and expect to average 220. We just need to make sure we keep the next generation of bowling in tune with what the sport is all about. I us to be the same way, worried about all the new balls coming out thinking the more I bought the better my average would get when two guys at my home bowling alley, Keith Butler and Bobby Hoeger JR. took me under thier wing and showed me that bowling is about your steps, the knee, bend, keeping your head steady, sliding, and not about hooking the whole lane and what new ball was coming out. If we could all be like these two gentlemen the sport would be great for the next hundred years. Teach people the basic and then give them the equitment. I remember one night Bobby and I bowl 3 games at Raceway Lanes in Indianapolis and he beat me ever game, but he did it with his 5 year old columbia white dot and I used some new brunswick. That night showed me that its not about equitment its about the fundementals!!!!!
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Raceway Lanes FOREVER!!! ROYAL PIN YOUR WHATS WRONG IN INDY!!!!
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it's all about skill dale!!!even the lowest scoring bowlers have to throw the ball half way decent to be able to score!!!and even tho the new balls allow even the least experienced bowlers better chances of bowling 300's....you still have to throw good balls to hit the pocket to score 300's and even more 800's!!!so dale what i would say to you is encourage this bowler to refine his game and maximize his fundemantals so that he can be a solid bowler not only in that house but anywhere he may go and bowl!!!
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Well said chatnboy.
Mark
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Well, I have an entire bag of high technology balls, and still can't do good every night..
Have my good days and bad ones..
put your friend with his NVD on a tough shot.
Then see how well he does.
But of course anyone with a basic timing and release matched with a good hooking potential ball should have no problem getting strikes...on a house shot...
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Current average: 200
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quit your whining and shut up!
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Remember when bowling was about skill? Yesterday the low scorer on our team threw an Ebonite NVD and kicked our butts. He’s never hooked a ball like that in his life. Ebonite balls have too much technology in them.
Here's a theory. Maybe it would have been different if you didn't suck? Maybe.....just maybe.
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Remember when bowling was about skill? Yesterday the low scorer on our team threw an Ebonite NVD and kicked our butts. He’s never hooked a ball like that in his life. Ebonite balls have too much technology in them.
The technology is available to everone else, so no one is at a disadvatage. My recommendation if u do not want to deal with everyone having so much room on the lane, sign up for a pba experience league. At min a sport shot league. I think this would be more to your liking.
This was not to make fun of u or to bash u. Im serious
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Zack Pelton
Olathe, Kansas
Ebonite Bowl 2 Win
Ebonite Amateur Staff
www.ebonite.com
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well i somewhat agree I do like the new balls but ebonite needs a good old urethane and particle. they was great and always will be. I don't know how lane conditions are in your area but in mine they keep going down hill i have a tornado with a 3 to 4 in pin drilled pin over bridge and cg staked and the only line i can holed is gutter to gutter and it still goes Brooklyn i know i have to much hand but when i go to tournaments i love having it so i can get out and have my own shot. so i don't like reducing my revs.
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Hammer90
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Yes it is always good to stay in comfort zone. But sometimes you will have to change if u would like to become a better bowler.
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Zack Pelton
Olathe, Kansas
Ebonite Bowl 2 Win
Ebonite Amateur Staff
www.ebonite.com
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It's not progress, if technology replaces skill.
Dale
Its not the balls, its the oil.
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By reading these comments and taking pieces of some to reach a question...
My question is... If the headcount of bowlers is so low, then who are the ball companies selling balls to?
My conclusion is that bowling is more popular in other countries than it is here in the U.S. If that's the case what are they doing differently than us?
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they are marketing the sport/game. they have made it highly competitve and something that the people who participate aim for. Centers in the US are more concerned about birthday parties and 4-5 buck game prices, they dont care about leagues (dont get me wrong there are still alleys that do it right, but they are becoming harder to find) Bowling in the US is dying because alley owners dont feel the need for leagues (they will soon find that is not the case)
I am fortunate, we dont see a ton of 300's so when one is shot, it is still special, and the bowler still has to execute 12 shots
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