BallReviews
Equipment Boards => Elite => Topic started by: lefty50 on August 30, 2012, 04:50:05 PM
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I just came across a decent sale price on the black alien and the fugitive, both of which have specs that work best for my low rate, slow speed left-hand style. I'm tempted to try one or both, but there seems to be extremely little activity in this forum, and not much information on anyone rolling Elite. If anyone has information on the black alien or the fugitive, I would love to hear about it since I'm thinking of picking one up very soon.
Thanks in advance
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The REV Fugitive high performance bowling ball features two unique new designs in both cover and core. The Ultra Grab Reactive cover combined with the C64 core creates an extremely aggressive combination. REV tamed it down with an Abralon sanded 1000 finish to fit most conditions. The Ultra Grab cover is versatile in that it can be altered easily both with polishing and sanding products.
REV is known for its sleek high performing products and the Fugitive fits that mold. Once again REV has produced a winner!
Coverstock: Ultra Grab Reactive
Weight Block: C64
Color: Black/Red (Actual ball color may vary.)
Ball Finish: Abralon Sanded 1000
RG: (16# 2.50) (15# 2.49) (14# 2.49)
Diff: (16# 0.050) (15# 0.052) (14# 0.048)
Best Lane Condition: Medium - Heavy Oil
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The Black Alien has landed and it's darker and meaner than ever! With a great backend and superior versatility, it will sure make your human friends jealous. Its no frills jet black finish tells the world you mean business. Why settle for Ordinary when you can be Extraordinary.
The Elite Black Alien is designed to compliment the massive hooking Elite Red Alien. We transferred the incredible hooking ability of the Red Alien down the lane for the Black Alien by tweaking the coverstock and increasing the strength of the core. This gives the bowler a ball that has a very similar overall hook as the Red Alien but a more angular path to the pocket.
If you are looking for a ball with extraordinary overall hook and big backend reaction, the Elite Black Alien fits the bill.
Core: Capsule Core
Coverstock: E73 Reactive
Color: Black
Ball Finish: 1000 Abralon
RG: (16# 2.483) (15# 2.504) (14# 2.518)
Diff: (16# 0.055) (15# 0.055) (14# 0.055)
Hook Potential: High
Lane Conditions: Heavy Oil
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I know in the back of my mind that you are only trying to help, but I really don't need the marketing blurb, I already have that. Thanks for trying, but is there any one on the board actually using either of these orbs that can give me some objective feedback?
Thanks
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Dont really have any objective feedback, but have to ask, why elite? I've seen very few and those who used to throw them have kind of moved on.
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Good question. I've always had trouble with Asym, never matched up. Looking at what works best for me it's always been a fdairly low Rg sym with high diff, and the Black Alien looks perfect from that perspective. At the current sale price, it's an attractive opportunity to give them a try.
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I doubt the ball is a bad ball. But from my experience, an Elite ball on sale is the normal price of a comparable ball from another mainstream company. Better yet, comparable balls on sale at mainstream companies are cheaper. Plus you have probably seen someone throw those balls.
I have nothing against Elite, but DO NOT use Elite reviews on Bowler's Paradise as an honest description of the balls performance. I am 99.999% sure most (or all in some cases) Elite reviews are fake on Bowler's Paradise.
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decent company. and works great with your speed
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Probably good equipment, i'd say though that you could get something identical or very very similar in reaction with close to the same spec's that would be significantly cheaper.
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Guys, I really appreciate the feedback, but let me add a few things:
- The Black Alien is on sale for $119 and the Fugitive is on sale for $109. I understand the concern about Elite's normal high pricing, and I would not be risking anything on new brands at that range, but I believe these are extremely competitive prices.
-I really would like to get the feedback from those who have actually tried it, not what they think it would do. Although the feedback is appreciated, it has no value.
-Please help me if you believe that there is another ball at the $109 or $119 price point with an RG below 2.50 and a differential above .55 in a symmetric core. I would love to know of such a ball. As I hope I mentioned earlier, not everybody makes balls at that spec and with my high rotation and speed, asymmetrics do not match up well nor do high RG symmetrics.
Thanks for the continued feedback, and if you have any other alternatives I would love to hear them!
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I have not seen a Black Alien first hand, but a couple of people I know have Red Aliens, same core but a stronger cover. The Red Alien is the biggest hooking ball I have seen first hand. Both guys love theirs, so if you can get the black for that price, you should grab it.
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If you're getting a good deal on it,what can it hurt to try one? If you get it, please be sure to post your thoughts about the ball.
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If the ball is at a good price, why not?
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Brunswick Maxxed Out is 2.48 RG and .055 Diff! It's a new release and the price is $119 with free shipping at all online sellers!!!
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I appreciate all the comments and conversation. @Bat, I also appreciate the reference to the C System Maxxed. I used to roll Brunswick exclusively, but admittedly stopped when manufacturing moved to Mexico. Perhaps it's time to revisit that decision. I have one problem with the Maxxed as an option, but I will post that in the Brunswick section so as to not pollute this thread.
After hearing all the comments, I may still go for the elite and am very curious about it, but additional research and references have pointed out that there are other balls to try in 14 pound and low-Rg symmetrical, namely the ebonite pursuit S, the maxxed out, and the jet altitude, which looks very intriguing as well. Of course the ebonite and jet are at a way different price point, so I'm trying not to upsell myself.... :)
Good conversation, good thoughts, thanks to all.
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Lefty, this is off topic, but that Pursuit-S is a really really good piece !
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Good to know, thanks for the input! I really liked the move it made in the videos. Even though I'm low rev lefty and don't pay attention to a lot of videos due to their right handed coast-to-coast similarity, I watched Curlie's reaction in one video and it was pretty good for a low rev release.
On a side note, I wish more companies would show the low rev reality... Of course, if they do, I'm always available... :)
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I have the elite sabatoge and love it. I am a lefty who plays with lower revs and ball speed. But with that being said, i have my ball drilled for a skid snap and love it. I can play on oily to dry lanes.
I am thinking of getting the red alien as a bigger hook ball.
Just my 2 cents, but any ball can be good for you as long as you get it drilled to do what you want and dont try to make it do something else!!
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Lefty, sounds like our games are very similar. Would like to know what layout you put on that Sabotage???
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I will get that info to you this weekend.
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Great, thanks!
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of course everyone has different opinions. But i personally have thrown elite and i find that the equipment was rather weak compared to other companies. I was limited as to where and when i could use the ball. I also found the equipment to be tremendously over priced. I wouldnt recommend them to anyone. but not a single person in the world is the same, so i will let you be the judge of that
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of course everyone has different opinions. But i personally have thrown elite and i find that the equipment was rather weak compared to other companies. I was limited as to where and when i could use the ball. I also found the equipment to be tremendously over priced. I wouldnt recommend them to anyone. but not a single person in the world is the same, so i will let you be the judge of that
I totally agree with ya. have been a Brunswick guy since i started bowling seriously. Not that the other companies equipment was bad, but it matched up better for my game.
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I would recommend a more popular company. storm, roto grip, track, ebonite, columbia, hammer, brunswick, or DV8. nothing against other companies, but these are the dominant bowling companies. Their equipment is very well liked and loved by many people. if you want strong and snappy, storm and roto grip. if you want complete power, DV8 hell raiser lineup. If you want smooth roll, ebonite and columbia. if you want a smooth skid/flip motion, track or hammer.
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The originals were I believe made at Global and I have a shark, very strong cover and core, needs lots of head oil and soft hand was plenty.
I have an Orion, bought from Paradise on sale, also strong back end and will work on lighter oil, has the red Alien core.
Red Alien is very strong like the shark and even with soft hands, probably too strong for most league conditions, at least it is for me and I have low revs.
Of the three, the Orion is the most versatile in my game, speed 14-16depending on conditions, revs approx 250.
The core of the Orion looks the same as the alien but cover much different.
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Elite bowling balls are great.
Just so you know, I do not work for Elite or Bowlersparadise, nor have I thrown everything they have produced, but from what I have thrown, I am very impressed. Started using Elite equipment about 6 months ago due to a fraternity brother of mine being a distributor for them, and then sharing information on the equipment with me. He is a very good bowler and uses both Elite and Hammer equipment.
I also use Storm and Rotogrip balls, but I currently am using the Elite Orion (Heavy to Heavy-Med Oil), Elite Insanity (Heavy to Heavy-med oil), and Yellow Jacket Attack (Med - Light Oil). I am very pleased with all three balls as they totally compliment my game on various oil patterns, playing multiple lines/angles. I don't currently own a Rev Fugitive (although I have experienced it), but will be getting one shortly. Currently, you can buy one for about $90 bucks.
The pricing stigma that was previously placed on Elite is no longer the case. They came down to earth some time ago, and the pricing on all of their equipment is the same, if not better, than all the other ball companies out there. I would tell you to buy the ball, drill it up, and see for yourself. As I mentioned above, the next two balls that I will be getting are the Rev Fugitive, and probably the Bowlersparadise Draco (which is a bit more aggressive version of the Elite Orion).
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Is anybody taking the Bowler's Paradise Draco seriously?
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I don't take too many companies serious when the information put out online is incorrect. The first part of the description for the Draco is based on the Orion.
And any company that puts out FAKE reviews is even lower in my mind, irregardless how well the ball performs.
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I don't judge a ball based upon reviews on any site. I try to gather as much technical data about the ball as possible, then I try my best to see someone use it.
To me personally, brand name of a bowling ball means nothing. I need to see performance based upon use. I have learned a long time ago that marketing will never sway me with regards to spending my money on a product that works for me. To be perfectly honest, the average bowler that is loyal to one brand most likely has only thrown a few balls, and have not tried other ball makers.
With regards to the comments about the Draco, since I already throw the Orion and know of its good performance, I would not be hesitant on trying the Draco as I know the core is the same. Also this would give me the opportunity to have the ball drilled a little differently.
However I will agree that I would not put much stock in those customer reviews on bowlersparadise.com. They do sound very fake to me, as everyone of them is positive.
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I agree with taking online reviews with a grain of salt. But when the company responsible for the manufacture of the bowling ball puts out obvious fake reviews to tout themselves, I just can't endorse that.
Once again, I don't doubt that their equipment may be decent equipment, but they will not get my endorsement or recommendation.