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For Sale/For Trade/Want to Buy => General FS/FT/WTB => Topic started by: im4x4nut on February 17, 2006, 08:24:22 AM
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This is a raffle for a NIB #15 Brunswick Smokin Inferno. This ball has a 2-3" pin placement and a 3.2 top weight.
There are TEN spots available for this raffle, each entry receives a block of 100 numbers. The raffle is based off the night drawing of the Daily Number from the PA state lottery. http://www.palottery.state.pa.us/
Cost is "" $15.00 "" per entry. A one in ten chance of winning.
Payment is by Paypal only to: im4x4nut@adelphia.net
Please include a primary and secondary choice with payment.
Please include your ballreviews user name with payment.
Priority of numbered blocks goes in the order of which payment was received through Paypal.
Drawing will be held the night after all ten spots are filled.
This drawing is for residents of the continental US only.
Cost of shipping is included in your entry fee.
Ten Blocks:
000-099.....Pdiddy
100-199.....D Pat
200-299.....comy24
300-399.....Ironhorse
400-499.....Ironhorse
500-599.....JOE FALCO
600-699.....Slopsurprise
700-799.....kidjete
800-899.....DRUFER
900-999.....icetink
Thank you and Good luck.
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As with all things, this is my opinion. And we all know, opinions are like butt-holes, we all have one.
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Not the newest ball around but I'll give it a shot .. get you started .. 500 range for me!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
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I'll take a shot, 200 range for me.
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Having fun no matter how I bowl
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ttt
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As with all things, this is my opinion. And we all know, opinions are like butt-holes, we all have one.
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ill take the 800 range, paypal is on its way
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bump for an update
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As with all things, this is my opinion. And we all know, opinions are like butt-holes, we all have one.
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ttt
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As with all things, this is my opinion. And we all know, opinions are like butt-holes, we all have one.
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bump
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bump
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Payment on the way,
My primary is the 600 block and my secondary is the 300 block!
Edited on 2/24/2006 8:42 PM
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ttt
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Having fun no matter how I bowl
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bump
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ttt
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ttt
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updated
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bump for the night
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ttt
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700-799 thanks
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teh bump!
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ttt
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bump
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TEH BUMPED!
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bump
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three more spots left
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ttt
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Having fun no matter how I bowl
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bump
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ttt
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Having fun no matter how I bowl
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BBBUUUMMMPPP
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bump
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zzzzzz -_-
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just updated, two more spots left
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>_>
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bump for the night
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ttt, money sent for 900-999!
One more spot left
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Dino
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money sent for 000-099.
pdiddy
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yay its full!
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im4x4nut indicated he was busy .. wonder when this will take place .. until he advises I don't think we can check the numbers .. don't want any of us to be surprised if their range comes out and it's not in effect. Hope he gets to this SOON .. He is the final word!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
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naturally it is his call...i would assume it goes off the night after he confirms all the payments....
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The Raffle is """Full""" Thank you to all who participated.
The winner will be determined by Fridays Pennsylvania's nightly Daily number drawing. The web site is supplied in this thread. I will ship on Monday. I apologize to all for not keeping up with this as much as i'd like to. I am currently working 10 hour days until the first week of April...no days off.
Good luck to all and thanks again for your patience.
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As with all things, this is my opinion. And we all know, opinions are like butt-holes, we all have one.
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This is a raffle for a NIB #15 Brunswick Smokin Inferno. This ball has a 2-3" pin placement and a 3.2 top weight.
There are TEN spots available for this raffle, each entry receives a block of 100 numbers. The raffle is based off the night drawing of the Daily Number from the PA state lottery. http://www.palottery.state.pa.us/
Cost is "" $15.00 "" per entry. A one in ten chance of winning.
Payment is by Paypal only to: im4x4nut@adelphia.net
Please include a primary and secondary choice with payment.
Please include your ballreviews user name with payment.
Priority of numbered blocks goes in the order of which payment was received through Paypal.
Drawing will be held the night after all ten spots are filled.
This drawing is for residents of the continental US only.
Cost of shipping is included in your entry fee.
Ten Blocks:
000-099.....Pdiddy
100-199.....D Pat
200-299.....comy24
300-399.....Ironhorse
400-499.....Ironhorse
500-599.....JOE FALCO
600-699.....Slopsurprise
700-799.....kidjete
800-899.....DRUFER
900-999.....icetink
Thank you and Good luck.
You said the drawing will be held the night AFTER all the spots are filled. All the spots were filled LAST night which was the 8th so therefore I win the drawing because the night after, tonight the 9th, was 781. Send me a message and I'll give you my shipping info. Thanks!
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You said the drawing will be held the night AFTER all the spots are filled. All the spots were filled LAST night which was the 8th so therefore I win the drawing because the night after, tonight the 9th, was 781. Send me a message and I'll give you my shipping info. Thanks!
Wow you sound like a brat!
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He is the one holding the raffle and he has to confirm the spots are filled and paid for. He confirmed it tonight, therefor the drawing is tomorrow night.
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Easy for you to say because you lost... Rules are rules I don't see where I am sounding like a "brat". I don't see anything about confirmed or anything else... you're trying to use that as a loophole so you have another shot to win.
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Easy for you to say because you lost... Rules are rules I don't see where I am sounding like a "brat". I don't see anything about confirmed or anything else... you're trying to use that as a loophole so you have another shot to win.
I did not enter genius lol
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I never looked... I just assumed you were in it because if you weren't it probably wasn't your place to comment on the rules. My bad friend.
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I have been in many raffles here and they all work the same way. No one else is b!tchin
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I have been in many raffles here and they all work the same way. No one else is b!tchin
lol ... I can definitely see where he's coming from, and if I were in his shoes, I'd probably be complaining to. However, im4x4nut is in charge of the raffle, so I think he reserves the right to make the call ...
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Dino
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Yeah they all work the same way... you posted the rules at the beggining and they are followed. Of course no one else is complaining, there's only one winner. That's kind of a no brainer isn't it?
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There have been times when I was in a raffle and if we had went with the same night I would win. But im4x4nut confirmed the spots were filled tonight and stated the drawing would be tomorrow night and that should be that.
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If he says we are going off of tomorrow nites drawing then thats his call, no one elses. Get over it. You still have the same chance as everyone else in the raffel does. I just bought the last spot to help get the drawing going. So wait till tomorrow nite like everyone else.
pdiddy
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lol ... I can definitely see where he's coming from, and if I were in his shoes, I'd probably be complaining to. However, im4x4nut is in charge of the raffle, so I think he reserves the right to make the call ...
I totally agree 100% that it's his decision. I don't agree that it is right and definately not very honorable. I'm not going to bash im4x4nut though because he hasn't replied to this yet and will more than likely do the right thing and honor the rules he set at the beggining. When you are dealing with other people's hard earned money that definately makes this a priority of his to update it every night. Because he didn't there's now a discrepency and one that should be solved by simply following the rules. I would have a hard time believing anyone in the auction would object to it, especially because either way there is only going to be one pissed off person. Either me or the person who would have won tomorrow, the rest won't give a crap if that makes sense. So why not just honor the original rules posted?
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There have been times when I was in a raffle and if we had went with the same night I would win. But im4x4nut confirmed the spots were filled tonight and stated the drawing would be tomorrow night and that should be that.
I'm still having a difficult time seeing where all this confirming stuff is in the rules. All I see is that once the spots are filled, which they were on the 8th, the raffle will be the next night. I don't see how that is so hard to understand. Regardless I have to work tomorrow so I'm going to bed. I'll deal with this tomorrow when I get home which will be after 10pm est.
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I would have a hard time believing anyone in the auction would object to it, especially because either way there is only going to be one pissed off person
I beleive most of the others in the raffle would agree to tomorrow night as stated tonight. Regardless of who wins it. That was 4x4's terms and you should respect that.
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He confirmed all 10 spots were filled today, not yesterday. So according to the RULES the winning # will be taken off of tomorrow nites raffel.
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How did im4x4nut know that he had recieved all of the money, how did he know that someone said that money had been sent when it really hadn't. Thats where the confirmed comes in. You don't want to raffel off a ball if not all participants have paid.
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He confirmed all 10 spots were filled today, not yesterday. So according to the RULES the winning # will be taken off of tomorrow nites raffel.
Again where in the rules does it say ANYTHING about confirming! The spots where filled, period. I shouldn't have to be punished because someone takes my money then neglects his own drawing. That just seems shady to me.
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I'm still having a difficult time seeing where all this confirming stuff is in the rules. All I see is that once the spots are filled, which they were on the 8th, the raffle will be the next night. I don't see how that is so hard to understand. Regardless I have to work tomorrow so I'm going to bed. I'll deal with this tomorrow when I get home which will be after 10pm
Just b/c someone posts and says I'll take 000-099, that does not mean he has paid. It needs to be confirmed and wait for him to edit their names into the spots. Then the next night would be the drawing. He did not edit the names into the spots marking them filled until tonight.
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kidjete when did all of the spots fill up? up until an hour or so ago there were still 2 spots open on the post, he updated it tonite showing that all 10 spots had been filled and once again according to the RULES the drawing will held tomorrow nite.
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Again where in the rules does it say ANYTHING about confirming! The spots where filled, period. I shouldn't have to be punished because someone takes my money then neglects his own drawing. That just seems shady to me.
This is clearly your first time getting into one of these raffles. Every one I have seen has to be edited with all the spots filled and confirmed before the drawing takes place.
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You don't want to raffel off a ball if not all participants have paid.
Again it isn't my fault someone took my money wrote up a set of rules then neglected the raffle which caused a discrepency. Plus the payment was sent and the spot was filled on the 8th. PDiddy didn't try to scam him. Why does it matter that the number are already drawn? All the dates are in the posts and going by the dates as the rules states the winner would be the drawing from the 9th. What does it matter if it took him 5 days to confirm? The winner would still be from the drawing on the 9th. Is it that hard to understand?
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Regardless the drawing for the ball will go off of tomorrow nites # like 4x4 stated earlier tonite. If you have a problem with that I will send you $15 and take your spot to shut you up.
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Man....I can just picture you at home now jumping up and down throwing a temper tantrum screaming...I WANT MY BALL..AND I WANT IT NOW!!
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Since I am a "rookie" at raffles show me another raffle that this happened in and the outcome that everyone was happy with and I'll go with that. It's easy for you to just sit here and tell me the drawing is tomorrow and that's too bad because you weren't the one that won.
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lol he's 24 years old to
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Dino
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And legend, atleast I have a reason to be posting here. You just decided to give your 2 cents where they weren't needed nor asked for.
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I have that right!
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"Right" and "reason" aren't the same word there pal.
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I like ... pie.
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Dino
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Anyway I'll save the complaining for when im4x4nut figures out what to do with this raffle. It's kinda pointless to argue with people that weren't screwed over and have no bearing on the outcome of this. Good night chaps.
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I like ... pie.
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Dino
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Me too! I just went and bought a lemon pie and it cost 7.81....oh wait, no that was kidjets number. lol the pie costs 3.50
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I like ... pie.
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Dino
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Me too! I just went and bought a lemon pie and it cost 7.81....oh wait, no that was kidjets number. lol the pie costs 3.50
And I'm the one acting like a little kid? Sorry I'm not exactly in the joking mood right now. Talk to you guys tomorrow.
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I'm just having a little fun with it now. I can't beleive you're making such a fuss over it. 4x4 came here tonight edited the post and showed it being full and stated the drawing would be tomorrow night. THE END.
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According to what he said tonite we will find out who wins tomorrow nite. Better to anger one person than it is to anger 9. His raffle his rules.
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im4x4nut indicated he was busy .. wonder when this will take place .. until he advises I don't think we can check the numbers .. don't want any of us to be surprised if their range comes out and it's not in effect. Hope he gets to this SOON .. He is the final word!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
I figured there would be one UN-HAPPY individual that's why I made this posting .. It's important to know that a RAFFLE is NOT FULL until the person running it confirms it IS FULL. I suggested in my posting that the NUMBERS NOT BE CHECKED until we hear that the RAFFLE IS ON! I feel sorry for you KID but you JUMPED THE GUN! Hope you are as lucky tonight .. GOOD LUCK to ALL!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
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This is a reply to all who are in question on the date of the drawing. I have been updating and editing this raffle nighly.
I stated that I would use the next nights lottery number to deterine the winner.
Since the payment for the last two spots was verified on Thursday, I used the Friday Night drawing.
I apologize to anyone who may be confused, I tried to make it very clear and straight forward for all involved.
Anyone who has done business with me will tell you that I do things straight up and correct.
That being said: Fridays Nights number was.................944
Congratulations to the winner: icetink
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As with all things, this is my opinion. And we all know, opinions are like butt-holes, we all have one.
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Congratulations ICETINK .. good luck with the ball!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
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Wow, awesome! Thanks to all who played and especially im4x4nut for making this possible!
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Dino
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congrats
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I'll take my 15 bucks back now. Thanks.
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I'll take my 15 bucks back now. Thanks.
Oh...what a little b!tch.
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Call me what you want... I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are. Atleast I'm not the one throwing out insult. Does that make you feel like more of a man?
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I'll take my 15 bucks back now. Thanks
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I definately play no favorites here, but this is a difficult thing to decide.
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Drawing will be held the night after all ten spots are filled
This does not say verified anywhere in it at all, and with the folks saying I will take this slot and I will take that slot I can see where kidjete would believe that it was over on the 8th.
Just my opinion, and I apologize if anyone is offended by my statements.
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I have a Rampage and Nemesis waiting to be drilled, and I'm going to save up for an Impulse Zone and maybe a Scorchin'. I've seen 4 Scorchin's so far ... 3/4 are wow. Just ... wow. The other Scorchin' was pretty weak on the backend (reminded me of my Animal), but that's probably because of the low pin and longer pin to PAP distance.
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Dino
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This is a copy of a pm from kidjete:
"The dates are all in the post. The entry was filled on the 8th. I'll take my money back or my attorny will be contacting you and I'll end up getting a new ball out of this too. Call it childish if you want but that's how I feel."
This is another reason why i'm getting sick of this site. I ran a straight forward drawing, no tricks. I could have an attorney write up a raffle document and someone would still whine and cry foul.
The sick thing is that i'd return his money, but that wuld make me look guilty, which i'm not.
How about some feedback on this people...
Give me your thoughts on this.
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As with all things, this is my opinion. And we all know, opinions are like butt-holes, we all have one.
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If you decide to return the money, don't worry. Nobody here will think less of you, it will probably be the opposite. In a literal sense he was correct because you stated "the night after they are filled" rather than "the night after I verify all payments". But we all know that if the opposite had happened, that is, if icetink's number had been chosen on thursday and kidjete's on friday, he wouldn't be whining and threatening to sue. But double standards are fun....
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No disrespect to the party that has a gripe but, my number wasnt the one picked. Oh well, I didnt win. In this raffle there is one winner and 9 losers. If it was ment to happen, I would have won the ball no matter what night it was drawn!!! Congrats to the winner!
BTW 4X4, I wouldnt return the $$.
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My personal feelings are: I would NOT give him sh!t back. After he threatened to sue me over some BS. I would laugh at this little spoiled jerk. However, if you feel you need to return his $15 bucks to avoid his threats, then that would be understandable. If I were you though, I would post a thread in the feedback forum with that pm in the thread and warn others not to deal with him. He does not deserve to deal here after acting the way he did over it. He really got under my skin with this whole thing as you can tell.
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I'm another that thinks the KID is ridiculous! No one can 2nd guess as to what numbers were going to be USED .. it was up to the person running the raffle to make that determination! If we didn't hear from him on the day he made the announcement it might have gone off the next day .. we could not guess .. it had to come from Im4x4nut! The THREAT is SILLY .. I would NOT return the $15!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
J O E - F A L C O
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I replied to " kidjete " stating that I checked the raffle every night. I updated every night. If any new contestants entered during the day I then updated them. The last spot was filled after the Wensdays night drawing @ 7pm EST. Pdiddy's payment was sent at 19:41:35 PST, which is 10:41 EST. "kidjete" doesn't realize that I don't give anyone a spot until I receive payment and verification through Paypal. That is just common business sense. He also sent me a bill through Paypal demanding a refund. That is very interesting. I might start a thread asking for the most creative response to put on my reply to this indivual. Come on people, give me input!
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As with all things, this is my opinion. And we all know, opinions are like butt-holes, we all have one.
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NO REFUNDS!
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If someone elses number was drawn on Thursday and mine on Friday I would tell you to give them the ball because that's how I personally interpreted the rules. It's your fault for taking people's cash and not clearly stating the rules. When you are handling a raffle I personally feel that it should be checked and updated in the morning and in the evening solely because it's your responsibility to keep tabs on it. I don't feel that only checking it once a day is acceptable with so many parties involved. If you only have intentions of checking it once a day then you should have said the raffle will go off the drawing specified by you after all the spots have been filled and verified. You should have never said the night after all spots are filled because you left yourself open to something like this happening. Like I said before why would you not have just used the drawing after all spots were filled like your rules stated? What difference does it make if the numbers were already drawn? The spot was filled on the 8th and then you verified the payment on the 9th. The spot wasn't filled AND verified on the 9th. Basically all I'm trying to get you and everyone else to understand is that in the rules you said once the spots are filled the raffle will go on the next nights drawings. You can't just ASSUME that people will automatically think to themselves, "Hmmm well the spots are filled on the 8th so that means we all have to wait to make sure everything is in order and the person holding the auction gives us the date of the lottery to go by." If that was the case you should have just stated that in the rules. Does that makes sense to you? Of course I am pissed because I interpreted the rules differently than some of the others but that's only because they were poorly explained. To go and say a post should be made in the trade section telling people to avoid me is absolutely ridiculous. What exactly did I do to constitute being someone that shouldn't be dealt with? All I did was express my opinion on how I felt I was screwed over. I didn't rip anyone off or even anything close to that. All of you can say it's only 15 bucks and I am acting like a child and should get over it. Well if that's the case and 15 bucks is just chump change to all you please feel free to send some case my way since we are all millionaire here, right?
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"kidjete" doesn't realize that I don't give anyone a spot until I receive payment and verification through Paypal.
You are 100% right! I didn't realize that because I have never done a raffle with you and you never stated that in the rules!
Edited on 3/11/2006 11:12 PM
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BEATING A DEAD HORSE!
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Hit them light and watch them fight
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How exactly is this beating a dead horse? For one im4x4nut made alot more public than he should have because in all honesty this is no ones business but his and mine. If he needs supports from all of you to not give me a refund he is obviously second guessing himself to begin with. It's not like I would have come back here after getting a refund and rubbed it in his face and drag him through the mud. I haven't called anyone names, like some of you, I haven't stuck my nose where it doesn't belong, like some of you, and I surely haven't acted like a little kid, like the majority of you. Jump on the bandwagon and tour the country for all I'm concerned, I don't need a bunch of cronies elephant walking behind me.
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Well if that's the case and 15 bucks is just chump change to all you please feel free to send some case my way since we are all millionaire here, right?
That just doesn't make sense because that would be a donation which would essentially make you $135 richer for sitting around and complaining. I also doubt anyone on this site is a 'millionaire'.
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"kidjete" doesn't realize that I don't give anyone a spot until I receive payment and verification through Paypal.
You are 100% right! I didn't realize that because I have never done a raffle with you and you never stated that in the rules!
Wouldn't that just be common sense? Even on Ebay, say you buy something and pay with a cheque or money order for example. They're not going to ship you the item without having the method of payment verified first.
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Edited on 3/12/2006 0:33 AM
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This is just ridiculous.
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That just doesn't make sense because that would be a donation which would essentially make you $135 richer for sitting around and complaining. I also doubt anyone on this site is a 'millionaire'.
Huh? I was just pointing out that $15 isn't insignificant to me like some are saying it should be. You went off on a completely different tangent.
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Wouldn't that just be common sense? Even on Ebay, say you buy something and pay with a cheque or money order for example. They're not going to ship you the item without having the method of payment verified first.
Yes you're right it is common sense to not ship something out until it's paid for. What's your point? No one asked him to ship the ball out without it being paid for first.
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Think about it.
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Wouldn't that just be common sense? Even on Ebay, say you buy something and pay with a cheque or money order for example. They're not going to ship you the item without having the method of payment verified first.
Kid .. I think you are missing the point here ..the writer is trying to say .. the end of a transaction is decided by the SELLER .. in your case the person running the raffle! Only he knows when evrything is ready to move to the next level.
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Huh? I was just pointing out that $15 isn't insignificant to me like some are saying it should be. You went off on a completely different tangent.
Sorry man, don't try that one. Why? Because you spent that oh-so important 15 bucks on a gamble. If it was really THAT significant to you because you don't have money to throw away...well, you did JUST that so you'd obviously have a little mental problem. So don't try the "I don't have much money, it's important to me" routine. We all know that you're raising a fit because it's the concept that you're pissed off and want some kind of revenge, be it legal action or 15 bucks or just generally raising hell about it.
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Kid .. I think you are missing the point here ..the writer is trying to say .. the end of a transaction is decided by the SELLER .. in your case the person running the raffle! Only he knows when evrything is ready to move to the next level.
I'm not missing the point. I understand what you are saying. You aren't understanding me. If the seller had put in the rules that he has final discretion on when the raffle will be held I wouldn't have a problem at all. All I'm saying is that the rules he set were far too vague and when dealing with other people's money the rules should have been clear cut and set in stone. I am having a hard time understanding why you can't grasp what I am saying.
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Sorry man, don't try that one. Why? Because you spent that oh-so important 15 bucks on a gamble. If it was really THAT significant to you because you don't have money to throw away...well, you did JUST that so you'd obviously have a little mental problem. So don't try the "I don't have much money, it's important to me" routine. We all know that you're raising a fit because it's the concept that you're pissed off and want some kind of revenge, be it legal action or 15 bucks or just generally raising hell about it.
Weird I never said I don't have much money, it's the principal of the matter, sir. And not I'm not looking for revenge, just my 15 bucks back because of what I have been saying all along. Revenge would be what some of you other jerks are doing and going on other posts to constantly try to drag my name through the mud because you obviously have nothing better to do. I'm not showing disrespect to anyone and I haven't been name calling like alot of you so where any of you get off jumping on this thread and running your mouth about me is totally beyond me.
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Kid .. explain to me EXACTLY what are you looking to accomplish? I am guilty of continuing this ..the best thing to do is ignore the comments and let it DIE. My goal was to attempt to get you to understand that you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG .. you are making a point that the NUMBERS should have been for the day that someone claimed to BUY the last group of numbers .. why did you ASSUME they were PAID for? None of us could say definitely that they WERE paid for! When NUT got back on and signaled full payment . the raffle was on. If you want to continue to BEAT A DEAD HORSE .. you lost me. Good luck on your other entry .. I'm almost hoping you WIN!
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Agree to disagree I suppose. You don't get my point and I am honestly tired of hearing the same thing over and over from you and others. I totally understand what you are saying I'm just saying that the rules were very poorly written. For that alone I don't understand how you can tell me I am ABSOLUTELY WRONG. I'm not even arguing the fact that the ball should be given to me, honestly he can drilling 100 holes in it for all I'm concerned. I am just asking him for my entry back for the reasons I have stated in past responses. It's impossible to argue with someone once they have chosen a side so I am done. If I have anything else to say it'll be to NUT in a PM. I'm off to get a couple suits for work, take care.
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I'm off to get a couple suits for work, take care
don't forget the "lawsuits" too. lol
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this is pathetic you cant get in a drawing and when you dont win think of an excuse to get your money back
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