Post by: FastTracker33 on August 22, 2006, 04:56:30 PM
Specs: 15# with a 3.5-4 inch pin and 2-3.5oz of TW (im pretty sure)
Span: 4 1/2 MIDDLE FINGER, and 4 11/16ths RING FINGER, THUMB size is 57
Mean Machine Layout:http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c288/TheOne9110/HPIM0689.jpg
And i have the exact spec sheet it was drilled off, but i'll need your email addy to send it to you, sorry.
Please throw in some offers from zip code 18510 in Scranton PA, i need money soon. This ball has only been used for about 5 games all together.
Thanks
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Edited on 8/23/2006 0:52 AM
Post by: strikestriketapped on August 23, 2006, 01:10:21 AM
Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:12:16 AM
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Post by: strikestriketapped on August 23, 2006, 01:13:57 AM
Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:15:21 AM
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Post by: strikestriketapped on August 23, 2006, 01:16:38 AM
Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:19:09 AM
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Post by: strikestriketapped on August 23, 2006, 01:20:03 AM
Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:22:55 AM
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And what does the ball do that you do not like? And what are you planning to buy with this money? And what are you selling it for?
1 thing.. why so many questions, lol..
Anyways to answer all of them in that order..
- It has more hook than i wanted out of it
- i dont know, probably another ball, IF I GET ENOUGH MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Reason 1
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Post by: strikestriketapped on August 23, 2006, 01:24:40 AM
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 23, 2006, 01:28:52 AM
I had a XXXcel and had it drilled pretty similar...and didn't notice much of a difference in reaction from other strong balls I had that were drilled stronger.
Why not try and polish it up? If I have a ball that's too strong, I'll stick it one of those Brunswick Ball Polishers for 2 minutes (the newer ones) and that always make a HUGE difference...clears the heads easier.
I wasn't a huge fan of the Ultimate Inferno dull because it was too much ball for me....but then I polished it like that...and it became the best ball I had ever thrown.
If you really like this ball....you should play with the cover....see what happens. I wouldn't sand it anymore...just polish it up.
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Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:28:53 AM
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Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on August 23, 2006, 01:29:18 AM
Mike
Im not trying to be an a*s, but these topics are starting to peeve me.
Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:30:25 AM
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I don't know a lot about Track equipment, but isn't that ball supposed to hook a lot?
I had a XXXcel and had it drilled pretty similar...and didn't notice much of a difference in reaction from other strong balls I had that were drilled stronger.
Why not try and polish it up? If I have a ball that's too strong, I'll stick it one of those Brunswick Ball Polishers for 2 minutes (the newer ones) and that always make a HUGE difference...clears the heads easier.
I wasn't a huge fan of the Ultimate Inferno dull because it was too much ball for me....but then I polished it like that...and it became the best ball I had ever thrown.
If you really like this ball....you should play with the cover....see what happens. I wouldn't sand it anymore...just polish it up.
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Stephen
Take me back to the mid 90's, when Columbia 300 was the RAGE, Ebonite was slangin' dem WOLF tickets, Brunswick had ATTITUDE, and El Nino was in the eye of the STORM.
Joe said not to polish it, or the hook would be outrageous!, and yes i know it's supposed to hook a lot, BUT i didn't want this much hook out of it, i wanted it to be more smooth than SHARP
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Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:32:44 AM
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It annoys the hell out of me when people cry and bit*h about a ball hooking to much. Dont buy something high end!!! As you said, "Joe told me to take it to a higher grit". Guess what!? Hes right! If its hooking to freaking much for you then take it to a higher grit. Or maybe take it to a smaller grit then polish it. Dont cry over a ball till you have weighted every option or you know for sure.
Mike
Im not trying to be an a*s, but these topics are starting to peeve me.
Well you try controlling this ball, it's SHARPER than i wanted it to be, and plus i don't think i ever wrote "Joe wanted me to take it to a higher grit"
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Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:33:50 AM
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H33,
The ball is doing what is supposed to be doing. It's meant to hook in oil.
Let me re-ask you. What did you WANT the ball to do in what conditions?
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On Medium to Medium-Heavy i wanted the ball to set up EARLY yes i said EARLY, and be CONTROLLABLE not out of control
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Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on August 23, 2006, 01:35:05 AM
Mike
Edited on 8/23/2006 1:30 AM
Post by: strikestriketapped on August 23, 2006, 01:35:38 AM
Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:36:25 AM
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Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:37:02 AM
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Don't blame the kid for being mad that Joe drilled it with a layout that Brian did not want. Personally, I think he should have been informed that he was going to put another layout on it before doing it.
Exactamundo
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Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on August 23, 2006, 01:37:44 AM
Mike
Btw.. Why not past 1500? Because it will CALM it down. Try it and see what happens.
Edited on 8/23/2006 1:32 AM
Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:39:10 AM
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Post by: strikestriketapped on August 23, 2006, 01:40:10 AM
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 23, 2006, 01:40:16 AM
Joe said not to polish it? hmmm..well maybe you're not supposed to lol. I dunno, but any ball that I've polished in the machines that I mentioned worked very very well for me. So that's the first thing I'll do if I can't control something, or it rolls out on me.
I even did that with my XXXcel and it started working pretty well for me at that point. Became a LOT more smooth and predictable. Maybe it's just the way I bowl...I don't know.
Look at it this way. If you're already playing around with the coverstock, why not try a polishing machine? If you don't like that either..it would take you about 2 minutes to take the polish off with a scotch brite.
You may find it's the most amazing thing you've ever seen....or thrown and you might send me a PM later and say:
"SGC300, you were right, it is BETTER!"
or
"SGC300, you freaking idiot, this ball is worse now than it was before."
LMAO
Either way you have nothing to lose
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Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on August 23, 2006, 01:41:50 AM
Mike
Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:43:19 AM
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You didnt. I bet you were told to not take it past 1500 grit because you will lose reaction. Thats what you want right? If you want it to hook less, you need to change the grit on a ball. I use to have a Chaos at 600 grit and I could play 25-5 on a fresh shot with close to a flood in the middle. I didnt like that I had to cover that many boards so soon, so I took it to 2000 grit and I played 15-5. Coverstock changes are KEY to what can make a bowling ball good or bad again IMHO.
Mike
Actually i was told not to take it past 1500 because it will hook more
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Post by: strikestriketapped on August 23, 2006, 01:45:04 AM
Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on August 23, 2006, 01:45:11 AM
DONT SALE THE BALL!!!
Keep it and try takeing it to 4000, 2000, 1500, 1000 and then if you dont like any of those then go with 4000 polished, 2000 polished, 1500 polished, and lastly 1000 polished. After ALL these changes and you still DONT LIKE the ball, sale it!
Mike
Edited on 8/23/2006 1:40 AM
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 23, 2006, 01:45:24 AM
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Stephen
Take me back to the mid 90's, when Columbia 300 was the RAGE, Ebonite was slangin' dem WOLF tickets, Brunswick had ATTITUDE, and El Nino was in the eye of the STORM.
Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:47:01 AM
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Who in their right mind said that!?!? Lol... It was obviously a mistake of words. Again your young and heres a tip ok:
Edited on 8/23/2006 1:40 AM
CG Proshop-Carl
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Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:48:21 AM
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Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on August 23, 2006, 01:49:25 AM
Mike
Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 01:51:29 AM
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Post by: bowlingmaniac017 on August 23, 2006, 01:55:46 AM
Mike
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 23, 2006, 01:57:46 AM
Not only that, but it's refreshing to know I'm not the only person who is on ballreviews at this hour lol.
Hammer, don't get upset or frustrated. You spent all the money you had on something that YOU really wanted. So you should try a bunch of different things to make it work for you. Who cares what other people said NOT to do. Maybe it wouldn't work for them, but might be exactly what you're looking for.
Not at all implying these guys don't know what they're talking about, because they obviously do and are GREAT people to go to for advice...but at the end of the day...you have to do what works for you...if it takes 500 changes of the cover..so be it....just don't give up
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Take me back to the mid 90's, when Columbia 300 was the RAGE, Ebonite was slangin' dem WOLF tickets, Brunswick had ATTITUDE, and El Nino was in the eye of the STORM.
Post by: Rev_O on August 23, 2006, 02:04:13 AM
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Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 02:04:51 AM
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Post by: Rev_O on August 23, 2006, 02:06:05 AM
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Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 02:06:32 AM
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Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 02:07:46 AM
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I live an hour from Scranton, PA, and work at a center on the way there. Maybe I can help you with your ball choice and surface before you sell it.
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Post by: Rev_O on August 23, 2006, 02:09:09 AM
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Ok here's the BIGGEST question of my night! Could the Track Inertia be a Heavy Oil ball?
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Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 02:09:49 AM
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Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 02:17:55 AM
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how is shorty's drilled? it all depends on the person, I can make mine hook a ton, or go pretty straight. it all depends on the coverstock prep and the release.
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This is how "shorty's" is drilled..
4 7/8 x 4 3/8mb pin 1 5/8 above mid line
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Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2006, 02:22:46 AM
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The reason Rick's doesn't appear to hook alot is because of the lanes he threw them on. They were fairly long and heavy with a decent amount of buff... so the lanes play tight where he makes his videos.
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Post by: legend4life95 on August 23, 2006, 07:02:54 AM
From what I am gathering, the ball is getting good length and the backend is to strong. You wanted the ball to be earlier and smoother of the break. The reason you were told not to take it to a higher grit than OOB is because that will give it more length and be even sharper at the breakpoint. You were also told not to add polish because polishing at the same grit will just be even sharper at the breakpoint as well.
I would suggest taking the ball to 800 grit(grey scotchbrite pad) and leaving it dull. This will make the ball read much earlier and smooth out the breakpoint to be more controlable. Thats what you're wanting right? The only way this is going to work though is if you are throwing it on enough oil to where it does not burn up too early and the pattern is not too short. It really sounds as if you picked the wrong ball from the beginning for what you wanted, but try the 800 grit dull and throw it on some oil and you might be surprised.
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Post by: CG_Matters on August 23, 2006, 08:03:05 AM
Post by: Bar5003 on August 23, 2006, 08:36:07 AM
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Post by: CG_Matters on August 23, 2006, 08:38:53 AM
Post by: tenpinspro on August 23, 2006, 08:45:43 AM
Slow down buddy...take a breath.
#1, do not sell this ball yet.
#2, Carl stated to you to not smoothen out the cover beyond 1500 because it will make the ball skid further and then snap harder on the backend and that sounds like it isn't what you want.
#3 DPat is correct, the shot I used mine on that night was pretty tight and had a good carrydown along with the fact I wasn't really hitting it very strongly.
#4 To try to fix your problem and help control the backend, go to your local shop and drill a weight hole (use a larger bit as to not hit the core). This will remove your positive static weight. If you have 1/2 or more in pos side, have that driled back down to zero. You would also want to check the finger weights and have that removed as well (by drilling the fingers deeper) and by doing that, it would also shorten the core and get the ball to react sooner and not have such a sharp backend.
Try these 2 things and see how your reaction is. Please remember that we can alter statics and the cover/core to get the ball to react the way we want. Give it a shot Brian and get back to me or Carl, thanks.
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