Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on June 25, 2003, 05:45:47 AM
I posted a awhile back looking for a Track EMB. He messaged me telling me he had one for trade. I told him what I had and we agreed on a trade, an Ebonite Apex Aggression (which was used, thumb was plugged once, and he was notified of it) and $20. I shipped the ball on June 13th, with $20 cash in the thumb hole. It arrived at his address on June 17th at 3:07pm. He never messaged me letting me know he got it. I sent a few messages asking if he got it, and when he was going to send the EMB. He notified me that he was "on vacation" and he would have his maid send it. OK, fine. I told him just to make sure that I am notified of the tracking number, as I notified him of the one I shipped. Still nothing. I realize the ball only arrived there 8 days ago, but he has posted a few things in the wanted/for sale room. If he can do that why not return my messages?
This is just a warning to other users. I understand people have things happen and it can take awhile. So once I recieve the tracking number and the ball arrives I will repost about a positive transaction with him.
Post by: michelle on June 25, 2003, 09:36:30 PM
A common thread seems to have developed in recent threads about shipping...don't trust anything with the post office, regardless of the class of service. For basically the same money that one spends on priority mail, there is no reason not to send it UPS or FedEx Ground.
Post by: louie on June 25, 2003, 09:45:30 PM
I said fine. Next day mail isn't necessary. Just message me when you send payment.
I saw him post his desire for other equipment and this worried me a bit. Friday came and went with no message so I messaged him. He replied several days and several messages later that he didn't have the money right now but still wanted the ball could I hold it for him. I said fine. Held the ball for a couple of weeks and nothing. I always see him posting. There isn't a profile but this guy strikes me as some young kid who is always changing his mind about what he wants to buy or trade. I wish EXCALIBUR luck but as for me I will stay away.
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Why does everyone laugh when I bowl?
louie
Post by: charlee323 on June 25, 2003, 09:45:42 PM
Post by: Bjaardker on June 25, 2003, 09:55:01 PM
quote:
A common thread seems to have developed in recent threads about shipping...don't trust anything with the post office, regardless of the class of service. For basically the same money that one spends on priority mail, there is no reason not to send it UPS or FedEx Ground.
As I've said before. I won't deal with anyone who's not willing to send via UPS or FedEx. IMHO unles you're living in a cave, there's no reason not to use them.
Post by: Saw Mill on June 25, 2003, 10:04:19 PM
, I am in TOTAL agreement with Michelle and Bjaar! I have always used UPS because you know how good brown is, and they have always been no more than 5 business days. Just wanted to add MHO, and thought Michelle and Bjaar would get at least a chuckle.Dave
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If You Are Not the Lead SAW, All You Get is SAWdust!!
Post by: michelle on June 25, 2003, 10:07:06 PM
Post by: Bjaardker on June 25, 2003, 10:22:16 PM
quote:
And, FWIW, I was told some years back that Priority Mail has no guaranteed timelines with which the Post Office has to comply...in other words, it is no different than a regular piece of mail. Even if it was an incorrect position statement, it came from a Post Office employee and that comment alone has convinced me to always use someone else if I had an item that had to be somewhere within a few days.
I believe that there is only 1 service that the USPS offers with guaranteed times. It's their super expensive priority overnight.
Other than that, your friend was right. 3 day mail with UPS usually means 3 days... USPS on the other hand... roll the dice.
Post by: TyLytle on June 25, 2003, 10:47:20 PM
Ty
Post by: BLADE6533 on June 25, 2003, 10:52:06 PM
something wrong w/ my address. I have purchased many balls on this website and never a problem w/ my address. I think he does not have the money to shipped the until and waited for his allowance. He's just a little kid.
I didn't want to give him a negative post but he promised to shipped all his future transactions by UPS ground.
I was giving him a benefit of a doubt until I saw this post.
Just be careful dealing w/ him.
Edited on 6/25/2003 10:56 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on June 25, 2003, 11:36:34 PM
Also many old mailboxes etc. sites have UPS shipping at same cost as UPS as they are now called the UPS store!
I have tried to make it a practice to avoid dealing with people under 18.
They cannot enter into contracts in the majority of states and for good reason.
Our forefathers were very wise when they made this rule. Nearly every screwy transaction I have done has been with a minor or an early 20s individual.
It is almost always easy to guess age of posters by the way they express themselves on these sites and their attitudes.
XxxxPip... you gave yourself away by your response to Louie(certified class act and considered as such by almost ALL on this site).
Your reply tactless, and inaccurate as the reviews on this site state the Monster Scream/r is sensational!
14 years 9 months to 16 and 1/2!
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: drillwizard on June 25, 2003, 11:48:01 PM
2. Repeated many times over, never ship any bowling balls with the Post Office.
Use UPS no matter what, you wont regret it.
3. Listen to LL he is very well respected on this site.
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on June 26, 2003, 01:31:55 AM
xxxpip requested I ship with a tracking number via UPS, so that once he had the tracking number he could send the EMB via UPS. Not to mention that NOT answering the messages I sent is rude in itself.
I am not trying to bash him, just simply get the deal we had finished and over with. I have dealt with many people on this site and this is the first problem I had. Even if this ball was shipped USPS it is Michigan to Ohio, which does not take long. I have shipped most of the things I have traded or sold via USPS and never had a problem.
Inconvenience? I went to the closest UPS and they were not going to be open for 3 hours, then I had to drive 25 minutes to the next closest to get the ball out on the day I had promised.
xxxpip, just send the ball and when it arrives I will change my opinion on this transaction.
Post by: HamPster on June 26, 2003, 03:46:16 AM
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I know Kung Fu!
I am the one, the one that will bring balance. All the pins shall be destroyed!
Post by: SrKegler on June 26, 2003, 04:01:23 AM
One trait I did notice between all bad transactions was the posters only participated in the trade/sell section.
The people who use the site for knowledge, and interacting between other bowlers have too much to lose by ripping someone off.
Take this joker for instance. Has anyone noticed a post in any of the other forums.
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~~~SrK - Have balls, will travel
Post by: solid9 on June 26, 2003, 06:15:07 AM
Edited on 6/26/2003 7:55 AM
Edited on 6/26/2003 7:56 AM
Post by: Jackson on June 26, 2003, 06:26:40 AM
I've sent him 3 emails, I still haven't heard anything
from him.
Jackson
P.S. I'm glad he didn't respond now
Post by: A_P_K on June 26, 2003, 08:59:54 AM
---> BUT <--- The condition of the ball was NOT as ADVERTISED, he told me it had like 6-12 games on it, and it great condition. When I opened the box I found a ball beat up with chips and cuts in it. There was even a track line formed in the ball. I'd have to say from experience with ball wear since I own many, this ball has to have any near 60+ games on it to say at least.
Overall I learned a valuable lesson from him. I will not buy another used ball from someone you can't SEE, unless they are a reputable pro shop operator. Plus, with the ball prices being so cheap on internet sites, I might be better off buying NIB balls anyway.
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Being a good bowler isn't about using one ball on any condition, but using any ball on any condition.
Post by: serice on June 26, 2003, 09:24:46 AM
I think we all have balls that we decide not to buy/sell after starting a conversation about it. But once a price and shipping timeline have been set, the deal is final and people should stick to it.
And if louie's screamR has been a 14# I would have taken it!
Edited on 6/26/2003 9:31 AM
Post by: livespive on June 26, 2003, 09:39:06 AM
You have to do your research.
Hopefully xxxpipologyxxx will take all of this and learn. He is just a kid
But does have to remember know, that he is playing with the big dogs now and rules are a little different than trading baseball cards
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member
Post by: charlest on June 26, 2003, 09:45:30 AM
USPS Priority Mail is not guaranteed for a delivery time, but for the most part they are definitely in that 3-4 day window.
The major differences between it and UPS are that with UPS insurance up to $100 is included in the price as is a confirmation number, which is entered into their database immediately. For USPS it is an extra cost option - irritating and incovenient.
USPS's equivalent to UPS's tracking number is only available for Priority Mail via an extra cost option called Delivery Confirmation. It is only 35 cents BUT the tracking number is only entered into their database and available online AFTER the delivery is completed.
Overall, if UPS is 30 minutes away or less, it is much preferred to Priority Mail. Mail Boxes Etc has UPS services but they charge extra. Office Depot and STaples have UPS services; not sure about any extra charges.
Post by: michelle on June 26, 2003, 10:09:21 AM
Post by: serice on June 26, 2003, 10:10:43 AM
Post by: seadrive on June 26, 2003, 10:23:57 AM
He shipped it via USPS.
He must have sent it Priority, because he was able to provide me with a tracking number. Went to usps.com and entered the number. Ball was picked up in ID on 6/19, arrived in Denver on 6/22, and that's all I know. 7 days since date of shipment, and still no ball.
USPS Priority Mail in the 1# envelope is great, but something like a bowling ball should go UPS or FedEx Ground.
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: livespive on June 26, 2003, 10:37:21 AM
But it is just like a handshake, you have commited to the deal.
The person is only holding the ball because they know you are going to buy it.
UPS and FED EX are the only way to send items, I would never send USPS, and with USPS workers going postal and all, your ball just might have a few bullet holes in it
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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
Visionary Test Staff Member
Post by: the-7-year-itch on June 26, 2003, 10:55:01 AM
Post by: kleetus300 on June 26, 2003, 11:44:56 AM
. But I was gonna sell it anyways (still waiting for him to pay me though). Hopefully I can somehow help here. But just wanted to let everyone know he isnt completely unknown.--------------------
I wish I could turn the ball like Dave tha fluffer
Post by: Bjaardker on June 26, 2003, 11:58:06 AM
Not good.
Post by: seadrive on June 26, 2003, 12:16:00 PM
quote:
My only complaint about him is that he took my Trauma and sold/traded it on here
You're joking, right? He took your ball without your permission, sold or traded it, and didn't pay you for it???
How can you possibly excuse that?
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Post by: Doug Sterner on June 26, 2003, 12:41:06 PM
yes individuals can set up UPS accounts but pick up service is NOT available everywhere. I have a business acct set up with them and they will not pick up in my area.
I even caught the UPS guy delivering something the one day and asked if he could tkae 2 balls to the depot and he said no...we are not equipped to take pick ups.
So yes, anyone can set up an account but pick up is NOT always an option.
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on June 26, 2003, 01:00:55 PM
My overall point is that I was stupid. I agreed to ship my ball first "trusting" that this person was going to ship as soon as he recieved the tracking number. And now learning he "shipped" via USPS has made me even more angry. He requested I ship UPS and he was supposed to do the same.
Age does not matter to me, what does matter is the character of the person. At this point xxxpip's character is in great question. Atleast it is as far as I am concerned.
Post by: kleetus300 on June 26, 2003, 01:02:50 PM
quote:quote:
My only complaint about him is that he took my Trauma and sold/traded it on here
You're joking, right? He took your ball without your permission, sold or traded it, and didn't pay you for it???
How can you possibly excuse that?
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seadrive
Cogito ergo bowl
Well he was supposed to buy it from me and he paid a little downpayment and I let him keep the ball with him so he could use it in league and whatnot, and about a month passed with no more money and I began to ask and he said its at his dads and stuff like that and when I checked on here I saw it for sale, lol. So he told me sold it and he's supposed to pay with next weeks paycheck. I got my fingers crossed
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I wish I could turn the ball like Dave tha fluffer
Post by: michelle on June 26, 2003, 01:43:22 PM
quote:
Michelle,
yes individuals can set up UPS accounts but pick up service is NOT available everywhere. I have a business acct set up with them and they will not pick up in my area.
I even caught the UPS guy delivering something the one day and asked if he could tkae 2 balls to the depot and he said no...we are not equipped to take pick ups.
So yes, anyone can set up an account but pick up is NOT always an option.
Doug, the UPS website says nothing about limited areas...it seems to infer that all services are available for pick-up.
With UPS Pickup, you can conveniently schedule a pickup at any location we serve - yours or your customer's. A UPS driver will come right to your door to accept your package.
If you say its not available, I'm not going to try and dispute that...but it is something that I feel people ought to try before resorting to the post office simply because it is closer.
Edited on 6/26/2003 1:57 PM
Post by: KingCranker on June 26, 2003, 01:49:44 PM
There is a way to find out who he is and where he lives...
If he doesnt contact you with tracking number,let me know...I can help...
Fraud is very serious in any situation,I hope your EMB arrives.
Paco
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Ten Pins Stand And Await Me,Maybe,Just Maybe They Will All Fall Down This Time.
Post by: the-7-year-itch on June 26, 2003, 10:33:34 PM
xxxpipologyxxx
Received: 6/26/2003 10:14:43 PM
Subject: X-IT
Message: no i didnt and if no buddy buys it when u put it up and i have the money for it then i will buy it sorry for the inconvenience
If this guy contacts you run the other way. He has wasted 2 weeks of my time and now i'm gonna have to repost and sell it to a real buyer.
Edited on 6/26/2003 10:46 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on June 26, 2003, 10:49:53 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on June 26, 2003, 10:55:44 PM
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Post by: the-7-year-itch on June 26, 2003, 11:09:52 PM
Post by: D McLaughlin on June 27, 2003, 11:02:57 AM
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On the PBA Show, you saw, I saw, they all saw, NO BUZZSAW. Go figure!
Post by: michelle on June 27, 2003, 11:35:41 AM
quote:
So, ground service for USPS should be the same as Fedex or UPS going cross country.
Just a FYI.
It SHOULD be but it isn't. The Postal Service has a relatively proven track record of if something can be screwed up, they will do it...witness the general tenor of comments on this board. Yeah, they deliver...the question is when.
Post by: Doug Sterner on June 28, 2003, 12:11:18 AM
They say "delivered at such and such a time". He never got them adn was home when the balls were allegedly delivered.
Luckily we insured them and my buddy has a replacement pair coming so the customer is not out the balls or the money.
MIchelle...I know UPS says they will pick up anywhere but it's a bit of a fib on there part. Now granted I live out in the sticks but still.....
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Post by: MadMax on June 29, 2003, 08:24:54 AM
MadMax here, wish I had warned you about this kid, he wants allot but must
not have the money! Messaged me about a Vortex 1 Trimax NIB but said he gets
paid on Fridays. I told him contact me on Friday, if the ball still available then
it's yours, never heard from him again and it wasn't the first time either! So
I know where Louie and everyone else is coming from, be warned!
I have also shipped balls before payment has arrived on a few occasions and that's
not the way to go, too costly to get burned! Some people may remember a
post about 2 years ago where I was going to personally take a Trip to Texas to
get my money, being a ex-vet. and having a few old vet. buddies down there.
I thought I would pay them a visit, then the other non-paying party a visit. A 130.00
dollars is allot of pain. After they were notified I was coming it was funny how fast
payment arrived then but it should never have to come to that. I have done allot of
business here and most people know me, but there's always a few you have to watch!
As for shipping, No One should ever use USPS, the cost and delivery times are bad!
Even shipping in State it's bad, so it's just not worth it! As far as UPS or FedEx goes,
to each there own, I quit using UPS about a year ago. They lost 3 balls, badly damaged
another, lost 2 more for 3 weeks that were incoming and just lost a case that was
incoming and these balls couldn't be replaced because they were overseas balls that
were hand picked for the spec.'s I needed! So I will not jump on UPS's band wagon,
I have had great success with FedEx and will stick with them. Carl good luck on this
and I will e-mail you on the DZ 2 Carbide, it just came in!
MadMax
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 09, 2003, 09:41:45 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 10, 2003, 02:33:37 PM
Post by: solid9 on July 14, 2003, 05:41:39 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 15, 2003, 06:40:19 AM
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Post by: Doug Sterner on July 15, 2003, 12:45:29 PM
He said he wanted inserts...so I ordered 3 sets of Turbo Quads for him. Was going to send them along with a towel that I owed him from the previous transaction as soon as payment for the inserts arrived. No payment.
Then he posted about wanting a Cherry Bomb. So I offered to sell him my lightly used Cherry for a price. He said deal....he guaranteed he was going to buy it.
Then he asked about where to send my payment. Then a few days go by and he forgot. Then more time went by and he said he wanted it plugged. Well then he decided he wanted a new one. So we settled on a new ball. Said payment would be sent Monday (finalized the deal on a Friday). Well that Monday was 3 weeks ago.
Still no word on what happened or what was going on....
Oh well......now I just have an extra Cherry Bomb in stock to sell.
I'd say don't do anything (removing grips, plugging etc) until you have money in hand from this guy.
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Post by: drillwizard on July 15, 2003, 12:47:23 PM
He backed out and , I havent heard from him since.
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 15, 2003, 01:05:00 PM
Thanks Paul!
I am still waiting for an EMB----or EMB xf to arrive from this guy. He seems to still be cooperating. I hope he comes through.
Sorry you guys got burned.
I may be interested in a Cherry Bomb though. Message me.
Post by: pnj1967 on July 16, 2003, 07:13:47 AM
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Post by: pnj1967 on July 16, 2003, 01:49:45 PM
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Post by: Doug Sterner on July 16, 2003, 01:55:20 PM
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Post by: pnj1967 on July 16, 2003, 09:46:31 PM
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 16, 2003, 11:18:25 PM
You want to watch out for
Matt Wagner, from Fort Gratiot Michigan.
Matt,
I am still managing hope that you are going to come through on this.
Post by: Shaggy on July 17, 2003, 01:11:21 AM
I made a deal with xxxpipologyxxx (Matt Wagner) about a month ago. I shipped a 15lb NIB Brunswick Inferno to Matt for a NIB AZO Red Fire, but I have yet to receive the Red Fire. I have sent several messages to Matt inquiring about the shipping status of the Red Fire, but he has not replied. I have successfully dealt with many others from this site, but Matt has yet to fulfill his agreement. If I ever receive the Red Fire from Matt, I will post a another message.
Edited on 7/17/2003 1:20 AM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 17, 2003, 07:08:14 AM
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Post by: SrKegler on July 17, 2003, 07:25:26 AM
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Post by: pnj1967 on July 17, 2003, 07:40:59 AM
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Post by: pnj1967 on July 17, 2003, 08:31:25 AM
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Post by: MarvinsSkeleton on July 17, 2003, 09:58:50 AM
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Corey
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Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw.
Post by: 9andaWiggle on July 17, 2003, 01:13:07 PM
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Why, WHY won't the last one just fall?? It's WIGGLING for cryin' out loud!!
Post by: Doug Sterner on July 17, 2003, 01:32:28 PM
It's sitting in my buddy's pro shop because I traded it to him for something.
I got the Inferno in trade for some ABS shoes.
I have the address here...lemme find it and I will post it later.
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Post by: Doug Sterner on July 17, 2003, 01:38:16 PM
6067 Catawba Drive, Gratiot, MI 48059
Have at it boys!!!!
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Post by: pnj1967 on July 17, 2003, 02:12:49 PM
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Post by: Doug Sterner on July 17, 2003, 02:16:26 PM
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Post by: pnj1967 on July 17, 2003, 02:20:12 PM
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Post by: the-7-year-itch on July 17, 2003, 02:30:01 PM
Post by: A_P_K on July 17, 2003, 02:39:17 PM
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Pin_Krusher, formerly Divine Dragon.....a.k.a...The Littleboy with a neutron bomb
Drastically inflicting pin punishing destruction, and doing it with...................well a Drastic!!
Edited on 7/17/2003 2:49 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on July 17, 2003, 02:50:05 PM
This is interesting.
May be time to send Mad Max and some of his veteran buddies out on a little visit!
We have a guy in our house orders stuff all the time from pro shop.
Last thing was ABS shoes. Doesn't show up to pick them up and then shows up with a pair off the internet.
Pro shop guy doesn't order ANYTHING Any more without full payment.
Likdable very big guy. Bought a ball off me a year ago and can't get around to paying $25 dollars. He weighs about 300 I weight about 220. I could get it but it would be a tussle.
Likeable guy can'tfigure out why no one's very friendly to him. They never can!
REgards,
Luckylefty
I wouldn't lend him a piece of tape, or a glass of water in the sahara!
He never is allowed to bowl on my pair though I smile at him all day!
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 17, 2003, 03:14:27 PM
If you are reading this, it is starting to get ugly buddy. You may want to hurry getting this deal with along pretty fast.
PLUS...one suggestion I have from you is do not buy on impulse. If you see something you want, (if anyone will sell or trady anything to you again) and you will not have the money....just let the person know it may take a month or so. Most of these people will wait. But do not stick them with something they could have sold to someone else. Be a man of your word.
Is that really the phone number? I am getting pretty tired of this and may try to give it a call tonight. Paul, have you found it yet for sure?
Post by: langod98 on July 17, 2003, 03:23:20 PM
Post by: MarvinsSkeleton on July 17, 2003, 03:43:00 PM
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Corey
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Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw.
Post by: michelle on July 17, 2003, 03:43:48 PM
Wagar, David
6063 Catawba Dr
Fort Gratiot, MI 48059
and a secondary return to
Wagar, David
6063 Catawba Dr
Burtchville, MI 48059
Also of note is that there is a YABA listing on bowl.com for a Matt L Wagar in an association that appears to be located in Michigan...
Matt L Wagar 00010-0961036
Most Recent Membership Year: 2001-02 in YABA
Association Name: BLUE WATER AREA YABA *
Association Number: 23135
Membership Card Status
Date Membership Information Received by Bowling Headquarters: 05-01-2002
Call me a cynic, but I am forming the opinion that the kid has deliberately given false spellings of the name and a nearby address in order to make sure he got his stuff but without being able to trace back to the address using the name. The noose tightens..
Post by: pnj1967 on July 17, 2003, 04:02:08 PM
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Post by: michelle on July 17, 2003, 04:09:30 PM
[Added on Edit: The SO for the area is St Clair County Sheriff Dept., located in Port Huron with a phone # of 810-985-8115. However, strictly speaking, fraud across state lines or that involves the internet is often viewed as the purview of the feds. As such, it is entirely possible that a call to the SO might find you getting a referral to another agency.)
Oh...and I never did find a 6067 street address, but there were some other 606x listings, so my guess is it is a small enough area that the mail and UPS drivers know the names and disregard minor differences in addressing (I remember that sort of thing when I lived in a town of just over 100 people and hardly anyone actually knew street addresses).
Edited on 7/17/2003 4:36 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 17, 2003, 04:16:01 PM
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Edited on 7/17/2003 4:26 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 17, 2003, 04:54:38 PM
Is there any one close to this joker??
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Just trying to improve and help others when I can.
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 17, 2003, 05:08:34 PM
You are starting to go about this the wrong way. You need to do something to redeem yourself. I do not want to call your house. All I want is what as promised. I am actually willing to settle for a used EMB XF, as opposed to the EMB solid NIB.
There are a few people on here very angry about some of the things you have done, and you can get in alot of trouble. Fraud. That is nothing to play with. Now it has been a month, and if you did send the ball it should have gotten here by now. You should be at the post office really going off about it.
Make it right Matt. You should not carry this on any longer.
Thanks,
Carl
Post by: michelle on July 17, 2003, 05:23:30 PM
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i sent the balls to them it isnt my fault they didnt arrive. and yes my adress is 6067 catawba dr. not 6063 that dosent even exist they made a mistake in the phone book.
a) If you really sent the balls out, then provide tracking numbers as well as who you have spoken with at the responsible office for the lost in transit claims.
b) Whether the address is 6063 or 6067 is not entirely relevant to the discussion. Your lack of comment about the name attached to the address is suggestive of an intent to deceive- or are the YABA records also wrong?
c) The fact that you are only responding after more specific locator information was posted gives the impression that you have either been reading the thread all along or you got reamed by your family after a phone call was placed earlier today.
d) You need to be aware of consequences that attach to your actions. Even if you are underage, people could push for criminal sanctions based upon your actions here.
Post by: solid9 on July 17, 2003, 05:28:49 PM
Ball is in your court now.
Post by: pnj1967 on July 17, 2003, 05:33:30 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 17, 2003, 05:36:39 PM
I have been messaged by xxxpip and now stone9.
xxxpip has his address now, and is supposed to send a money order for the ball on Saturday.
This is progress.
Post by: pnj1967 on July 17, 2003, 05:41:02 PM
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Post by: boytoy on July 17, 2003, 08:28:45 PM
I can't wait to see how this ends.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 17, 2003, 09:59:27 PM
Post by: Shaggy on July 17, 2003, 10:00:17 PM
Matt,
You can honor your agreement by doing one of the following:
1) shipping me a 15lb NIB AZO Red Fire (via UPS with a tracking #)
2) return my 15lb NIB Brunswick Inferno that I shipped you (ship via UPS)
3) send me a money order for $130 (fair value for the NIB 15lb Inferno)
It is time to take responsibilty!!!
Edited on 7/17/2003 10:18 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 17, 2003, 10:08:35 PM
Post by: drillwizard on July 17, 2003, 10:13:40 PM
The address listed is not that far way from me, let me know if I can help you out in any way, since you have been such a good customer.
Post by: pnj1967 on July 17, 2003, 10:16:51 PM
Well Mattie when you mess with some of my friends you are also messing with me. Perhaps we may meet some day.
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Post by: drillwizard on July 17, 2003, 10:25:44 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 17, 2003, 10:32:02 PM
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Post by: drillwizard on July 17, 2003, 10:36:31 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 17, 2003, 10:42:03 PM
Shaggy, I hope he comes through on your deal(not that it is a done deal for me yet either). It really sounds like you got hosed alot worse than I did.
PNJ----I know that I have the address and name the way it was given to me.
Post by: Shaggy on July 17, 2003, 10:56:47 PM
Hopefully, Matt will make good on his agreements. I do know that Matt is headed down the wrong path in life. I hope his life changes for the better.
Shaggy
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 18, 2003, 09:59:44 AM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 18, 2003, 06:16:06 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 18, 2003, 11:03:02 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 19, 2003, 05:45:35 AM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 19, 2003, 10:23:31 AM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 19, 2003, 05:59:59 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 19, 2003, 11:33:17 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 20, 2003, 02:37:23 PM
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Post by: michelle on July 20, 2003, 04:00:23 PM
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Michelle - The tracking numbers from the Postal Service are basically worthless and trying to locate any package shipped via USPS is virtually impossible.
Hell there have been times where it takes over a month to get a ball that was shipped USPS.
Worthless or not, there should be something that could have been offered up as a show of good faith. Same holds true with detailing the point of contact for the lost-in-transit claim.
Why anyone would ship something like a ball using the post office is beyond me given that people have been ragging on them for the entire time I have been online...not to mention the lack of faith I had in them during the 80's.
Post by: michelle on July 20, 2003, 05:29:32 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 20, 2003, 05:49:13 PM
Yes Doug Sterner did have a good transaction with him, but did you take the time to read what else Doug had on page 3{also others}, he {Doug} ordered a Cherry Bomb for this xxxp and he never got back to Doug. Doug now had the ball in his shop that he really didn't need at the time. xxxp has led several people on for 2-3 weeks promising to send money or a ball and at times he never did.
There also was or is the matter of both Doug and EXCALIBER having the same address, when actually according to records it was 4 house numbers lower where xxxp really lived. Also the last name was sent to several people as Wagner, when it was Wagar. Honest mistake? Maybe once that could happen.
The point is he xxxp may be clearing this up with EXCALIBER, but I belive there is one more he also needs to take care of, and do you really all the ones he strung on like he did will forget.
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Post by: Doug Sterner on July 20, 2003, 06:01:51 PM
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Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Post by: Saw Mill on July 20, 2003, 07:37:47 PM
Dave
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Post by: pnj1967 on July 20, 2003, 08:38:48 PM
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Post by: pnj1967 on July 21, 2003, 02:36:46 AM
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Post by: MTFD24 on July 21, 2003, 04:56:41 AM
Maybe a course of action after a given deadline, say 72 hours, he does not contact all individuals he needs to, then contact his parents, legal guardians, etc. If they do not have enough concern to straighten out the matter, then the last recourse would be legal enforcement via police, and internet fraud. And since he has admittedly used the USPS, their may be possibly USPS mail fraud.
Even though this has been transpiring over a lengthy time period already, maybe a short deadline is now due.
Just my 2 cents, and I hope everyone gets compensated for their losses.
BTW...I have only had one transaction through here, and although the party wanting the equipment never sent payment, I have never bashed him. I know he has had several other excellent transactions on here, and just probably could not swing it at that time. No Harm, No Foul.
Again...good luck to all involved
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Post by: card79 on July 21, 2003, 09:57:34 AM
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Post by: pnj1967 on July 21, 2003, 03:42:46 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 21, 2003, 06:20:19 PM
Post by: 9andaWiggle on July 21, 2003, 06:32:02 PM
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While a witch hunt is not needed
Oh darn!
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Post by: pnj1967 on July 21, 2003, 09:45:33 PM
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Post by: pnj1967 on July 22, 2003, 06:10:52 AM
I do hope you are clearing this up, it never should of gotten this far. If that MO was sent it should be getting there about now.
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 22, 2003, 12:10:41 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 22, 2003, 12:20:23 PM
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on July 22, 2003, 12:36:23 PM
What do y'all think? Just something else to ponder.
Edited on 7/22/2003 12:46 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 22, 2003, 11:16:52 PM
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Post by: pnj1967 on July 23, 2003, 07:06:27 AM
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Post by: pnj1967 on July 23, 2003, 04:42:03 PM
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Post by: solid9 on July 23, 2003, 04:47:45 PM
Yes, I received the M.O. this afternoon and sent the ball out by ups, Carl has the tracking #.
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 23, 2003, 06:22:37 PM
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Matt has taken care of the deal with me, NOW he has to take care of the deal with Shaggy. That was a lot worse in my opinion.
Post by: boytoy on July 23, 2003, 06:48:16 PM
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Post by: the-7-year-itch on July 23, 2003, 08:28:24 PM
Post by: SrKegler on July 23, 2003, 08:49:05 PM
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Post by: card79 on July 23, 2003, 10:45:12 PM
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
Post by: pnj1967 on July 23, 2003, 10:47:41 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 23, 2003, 10:50:32 PM
I think alot of people here would respect you more if you would just acknowledge what happened. Being a stand up man can help a person tremendously.
Post by: RSalas on July 23, 2003, 11:01:55 PM
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...but I believe that it was Churchill who said those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
- George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905
(from http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/George_Santayana/21)
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 23, 2003, 11:35:25 PM
I know for a fact that you gave me the last name of Wagner. I still have the sheet that says so.
I do not know about an address mix up.
Doug and both have the same name and same address. There was a game being played there, and simply put, that is not cool
Post by: Shaggy on July 24, 2003, 12:28:04 AM
Send me a money order for $125 and I will call it a done deal.
Shaggy
Post by: RandyO on July 24, 2003, 12:30:27 AM
Mark Twain
Post by: pnj1967 on July 24, 2003, 07:13:53 AM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 25, 2003, 02:29:23 PM
OK, just so everyone knows, I recieved the ball today from solid9. My deal is finished and completed.
Shaggy, not it is up to you to keep us updated on how things are going as far as your transaction goes.
Post by: Shaggy on July 25, 2003, 08:50:52 PM
Post by: BOWLGNUT on July 25, 2003, 10:06:14 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 26, 2003, 07:17:32 PM
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Post by: Shaggy on July 26, 2003, 08:40:56 PM
Shaggy
Post by: Buzzhead on July 26, 2003, 09:15:16 PM
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Post by: kleetus300 on July 26, 2003, 10:57:05 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 27, 2003, 02:35:28 PM
keeping it at the top.
Post by: pnj1967 on July 27, 2003, 04:18:39 PM
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Post by: michelle on July 27, 2003, 07:41:04 PM
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I originally said once I recieved the ball (actually said tracking number) I would take this topic down. After careful consideration, this is going to stay up until ALL of those who have had problems with xxxpip are taken of.
keeping it at the top.
In your defense, you actually indicated you would retract if he posted or messaged you "soon" telling you what was going on. I don't consider almost a month to be anywhere close to "soon" for the purposes of retraction, and I doubt most others would either.
Post by: pnj1967 on July 28, 2003, 06:14:35 AM
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Post by: pnj1967 on July 28, 2003, 05:40:00 PM
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Post by: 9andaWiggle on July 28, 2003, 05:49:45 PM
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Post by: Shaggy on July 28, 2003, 10:18:12 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 29, 2003, 06:36:17 AM
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Post by: MrH on July 29, 2003, 03:47:01 PM
Post by: MTFD24 on July 30, 2003, 01:25:23 AM
Since it has been a week since Matt said he had the money to make good on this fiasco/sham, it is maybe coming close in time again for more personal contacts of the close kind....with parental influence if you catch my drift.
back to the top.....
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Post by: pnj1967 on July 30, 2003, 06:58:19 AM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 30, 2003, 04:59:16 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on July 31, 2003, 07:23:35 AM
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Post by: Shaggy on July 31, 2003, 06:04:56 PM
I have NOT received the money order($125) from Matt. I may be out a NIB Inferno, but I will not sit idle and let Matt build a ball arsenal by stealing from others. I think everyone on this site has read this post and knows NOT to deal with:
Matt Wagar
6067 Catawba Drive
Fort Gratiot, MI 48059
Now that everyone has been warned I am done with this post. Thanks to everyone.
Edited on 7/31/2003 6:15 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 31, 2003, 10:02:56 PM
Matt, If I or atleast someone on the forum does not hear from you be tomorrow evening, I am making a phone call to your house. This is not what you want, or what any of us want. But you are neglecting doing the right thing here.
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on July 31, 2003, 10:55:22 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on August 01, 2003, 07:34:45 PM
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Post by: pnj1967 on August 02, 2003, 07:38:00 PM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on August 03, 2003, 12:22:00 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on August 04, 2003, 06:55:24 AM
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Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on August 05, 2003, 04:12:00 PM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on August 06, 2003, 12:09:26 AM
I have tried to call 3 times with no answer or machine. I am not letting this go. Shaggy is out the Inferno, so if there is any legal action to be taken, it has to be done by him.
Matt is still in trouble, and he knows it. If shaggy goes after it, and Matt cannot come up with a reciept that he shipped the money to Shaggy (or a ball, whichever) then he is getting in alot of trouble.
Post by: 9andaWiggle on August 06, 2003, 01:41:55 PM
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Post by: MrH on August 06, 2003, 02:38:34 PM
Post by: michelle on August 06, 2003, 03:09:08 PM
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Well if the fraud is occuring across state lines, would that make this a Federal case? Boy this young adult doesn't know the deep pile of doggy doo that he could be in.
There is actually plenty of caselaw that addresses internet transactions, and federal charges can be applied...the caveat is that the amount has to be enough to get someones attention with the OUSA.
In theory, if I make an agreement with my neighbor across the street via the internet, the lines of communication likely criss-cross state borders even though that would be contrary to line-of-sight common sense interpretation, which is the reason that the fed law can apply.
I still think Shaggy ought to drop a dime with the local SO up there. Even the misdemeanor theft charge carries consequences. I also remember an instance of vandalism with a car I used to own where I was able to persuade the family of potential parental liability that attached to the actions of their sorry excuse for a kid...they coughed up a certified check in record time.
Post by: LuckyLefty on August 06, 2003, 03:29:02 PM
This is the longest running and most pages of any post I have ever seen!
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: Urethane Game on August 07, 2003, 01:00:54 AM
If one or both parents have to miss work to show up in court that may get their attention. While his parents have obviously failed in instilling any values in their son, the law has a way of changing all of that.
Edited on 8/7/2003 1:11 AM
Post by: 9andaWiggle on August 08, 2003, 01:10:00 PM
Found the pitchfork, but I'm still looking for my torch! LOL.
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Why, WHY won't the last one just fall?? It's WIGGLING for cryin' out loud!!
Post by: TyLytle on August 08, 2003, 01:20:37 PM
Ty
Post by: 9andaWiggle on August 08, 2003, 01:25:52 PM
He ain't chicken, he knows nobody's gonna do nothin' to him. So he just gets his jollies from reading everyone's idle threats. Besides, Mommies gonna protect him from the big, bad bullies on Ballreviews. No doubt he has her convinced we're all out to get him for no reason - otherwise she'd be answering the phone and making sure he did what was right. Too bad Shaggy got taken for a ride though...
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Post by: michelle on August 08, 2003, 02:27:22 PM
Post by: Psychoballtester on August 08, 2003, 02:55:22 PM
I like what all you have typed in the newer saga of
"xxxpiplogyxxx vs Shaggy"!
Wouldn't be easier to "ice" this post,but for Shaggy to find a cleaver way
to get back at xxpip without him knowing?
These posts are a ENERGY high for xxxpip,SHUT IT DOWN!!
Xxxpip wont know what to expect,do your(Shaggy)prosection or problem solving
attack plan and he'll(xxxpip)never know what hit him!!!!
Yes,Shaggy "ninja" stlye,secret and stealth!!
Its up to EXCALIBER on this cause its his post.
Thats all it was just spot idea!
Heck!Every major and minor poster put there input and ideas.
So,these are mine.
GOOD LUCK Shaggy on this soap opera.
Psycho.B.T
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on August 09, 2003, 03:48:27 PM
He is a very unpopular character right now though. 242 posts-----and it has been read over 9200 times.
I have tried to call on Shaggy's behalf. I have yet to get an answer. If Matt is reading this, he should still do what is right. If it a money situation, just post Shaggy and tell him it is going to take a few weeks to get the money or whatever, but do not leave him hanging anymore.
I am open for suggestions to shut the topic down, however---I think it is a good thing. Even if it has helped only ONE person from being ripped off in the future by Matt Wager----in Fort Gratiot Michigan.
Post by: Shaggy on August 18, 2003, 11:07:12 PM
I have not received any payment from Matt. Most people on this site are good to deal with however Matt is one to avoid. If Matt attempts to change his username please let the site know about it.
Shaggy
Post by: michelle on August 27, 2003, 12:18:55 PM
Was everyone finally made whole in this fiasco?
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on August 27, 2003, 01:08:09 PM
Post by: Shaggy on August 27, 2003, 10:56:44 PM
Post by: pnj1967 on February 14, 2004, 05:43:58 AM
You will need to set your preference to a year to see all the posts !!!!!!!!!!1
Edited on 2/14/2004 8:20 AM
Post by: pnj1967 on February 14, 2004, 07:56:57 AM
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on February 14, 2004, 08:06:48 AM
I thought this had been put to rest, but apparently this jerky boy is out of the woodwork
Post by: KingCranker on February 14, 2004, 09:14:10 AM
I would take this serious,meiz3717 aka hookmonster also did what you did...and after a few pissed off people got together and reported him to the police in his area they nailed him...just like they will get you...you think its a game...it isnt over..you swindled balls from people and every ball you swindlded will add to your punishment,I'm only trying to help you out by saying you better make your end of these deals or else!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Borincano on February 14, 2004, 09:20:52 AM
Kaiser Soce is knocking at your door beware.
Post by: Doug Sterner on February 14, 2004, 12:05:21 PM
Just remember...6067 Catawba Drive Fort Gratit (or Burtchville) MI is not a place to deal with !!!
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Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
The Cherry is the Bomb
but the Nugget is Golden!!!
Now accepting VISA/MC and Discover for your purchases
Post by: pjr300 on February 20, 2004, 10:12:08 PM
I know the city of Ft. Gratiot. I head there to my friend's business from time to time. It's a toenship of Port Huron, which is 45 minutes north of Detroit.
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