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Raw Hammer Pain
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
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The Pain features the Raw Hammer core wrapped with Hammer''s Juiced Reactive coverstock. For strong, continuous backend hook motion in medium to heavy oil, bring on the Pain.




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2.52 .047 2.52 .053 2.57 .039 2.53 .056 2.59 .044 2.62 .032  2.72 .031


 

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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2006, 09:53:40 AM »
All I can say is this ball flat out hits. The pins stay low and there were times during the set that I thought I was throwing a 17 pounder. The reaction is similar to my Doom -- strong move to pocket from the 10 board "breakpoint" target.

15 lb, 3" pin. Drilled stacked leverage, medium ball speed, low track. Synthetic, medium oil. I guess the shot was what you would expect on a Friday during the summer in a fairly busy house.

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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2006, 01:55:09 AM »
To those who slept on the Raw Hammer Doom I must say DO NOT SLEEP on the Raw Hammer Pain because like the Doom it is the best unknown ball on the market! My girlfriend ordered me this ball after she saw how well a performed with the RHD in PA and in Detroit and I'm glad she bought it I threw it tonite for the first time and the ball paid for its self I have it drilled just like my RHD pin to the right of the ring finger w/the exception that the wieght hole is to the lower right side (almost by the thumb hole)  The RHP covers alot more boards than the RHD and recovers alot harder of the spot with a strong concussion blow to the pins. If you liked the RHD then you will like the RHP, I love both of mine and together they're a great combo.


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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2006, 06:18:58 PM »
Drilled 4 x 3 with weight hole.

15 mhp  League avg 218.2

I own 14 balls and for the price this the best deal I have seen in several years.
This ball just refuses to rollout.  Keeps the pins low.  When the heads dry
up just a mild loft will put you right back in the ball game.

As for durability, the verdict is not in yet.  Will check back in after 100 games.  


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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2006, 01:24:10 AM »
Raw Hammer Pain
15.03lbs
3 inch pin
3oz top

http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=painkn9.jpg

Layed out:
4-1/2 from PAP
Cg in center of grip
Pin over ring

AMF Synthetics
Medium oil in the middle and drier on the edge
Oil about 36 ft long
Out of box surface
On this type of medium wet/dry blended pattern
the ball reved up early and had a nice smooth continuous arcing motion.
It squirts a little when you keep it in the oil and bounces a little
too hard when it touches dry. Your release and rev rate have to be
perfect. If i wanted to go straighter in betwen the wet/dry i would use more forward roll and a lower rev rate. When moving inside and swinging out i had to amp up the rev rate a little and make sure it gets down the lane out and
bump the dry to get it back. The PAIN drives hard and really sends pins across the deck especially on the lighter hits. I think this will be a great compliment to the Hammer DOOM and Road Hawg.

Old burnt wood house
Shot oiled 8 to 8 with dry from 4 to 7. I can play the PAIN using a forward roll with good speed from 13 to 7. It hit solid every time. If i got around the ball the ball wood check up early or skid a little too long going light.
Staying in the track was a plus. I used this ball with OOB surface. I am very impress with the carry and hit i get. I am not sure how much carry down this ball can take. But it works pretty good when the shot s blended. I will update you guys more when i try it at different centers

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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2006, 04:16:35 PM »
I drilled this ball up about 2 weeks ago and i had it drilled with the pin above the bridge and the pin stacked, my favorite drilling and it hits hard, i haven thrown it that much, its goes long but starts up a little earlier and stronger then the doom. If your looking for something a little stronger then the doom id get this ball and maybe the same drilling as the doom u have, thats what i did and it works great... A++++++
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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2006, 05:17:57 PM »
I have now used this ball on some different oil shots and the results are great. On oil this ball has performed excellent. I have had sucess with the ball now with around 25 games on it and 6 in league. In practice I used this ball on a medium oil house shot and did okay for about 5 games averaging about 200 with some good games and bad (not the ball but my bad spare shooting)but on the 6th game I caught fire shotting the first 11 and then stuffing a solid 7 pin on the 12th. Yea its practice so it doesnt mean anything. I have done well in league with it though. In 6 games I have averaged 217 with a high of 267. For a youth bowler on a summer shot in a buisy house isn't too bad. In 2 weeks I managed to raise my average from 190 to 200 even. I have a tournament comming soon and this will be my first ball out of the bag. The raw hammer pain is a great ball for a great price.

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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2006, 01:20:32 AM »
Layed this out with the pin 3 3/8ths from pap just right of ring finger, cg and mb stacked....your basic leverage drilling. The lanes were on the light medium side tonight so I played up third arrow swinging to about the 8 board and Holy Hanna this ball revs up and hits hard!!!! It cleared the heads effortlessly, read the midlane and then went into a heavy roll the last few few feet; shot 249 first game oob. After shooting 10 more games with various other balls I had worn the track down pretty well and was now shooting left of 4th arrow. Grabbed the Pain again and played a deep inside line shooting 228. The Pain could make the turn but it wasn't a hard snap kind of reaction but more of a late heavy arc. This was due in part to the conditions drying up quite a bit. The only real oil left was up 4th arrow and just to the right, anything further right and the reaction burned up. Im surprised the Pain was still playable considering the my Black Widow, Storm Agent and Diablo had all been put back into the bag at this point.

I think this ball will absolutely shine on a Fresh house shot where the Doom might be a bit squirty for the first game. I sure agree with other reviewers in that this ball is the perfect complement to the Raw Doom. I'm quickly turning into a Hammer Head!!!!!

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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2006, 10:51:17 AM »
I recieved the Pain from my boss for some work I did. Right before league I drilled it up Cause I needed something for fresh oil. I am left handed I place the pin above and between  my fingers and swung the cg out to about 30 degress. I decided to use it in league. The first game I shot 171 cause the ball hooked much more than I expected. So I adjust my feet 10 boards right and followed with a 226 the last game I pick up my speed top about 21 miles an hour and shot my first sanctioned 300. It is a ball that definately opens up the lane.

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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2006, 04:09:22 PM »
-Raw Hammer Pain-

Driller pin near 1" off VAL, about 3.5" above midline, CG swung in towards grip center, coverstock taken to 2000 grit and then polished

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Drilled this ball with a layout similar to the Tommy Jones layout that he's used on the One http://www.brunswickinsiders.com/PBATour/PBATournaments/2006tournaments/Norcross/Norcrossphotos/norcross%20024.jpg except that I went closer to my VAL with the pin and closer to the midline with the CG (no marked MB on the Pain), I was looking for basically a go long and die ball and decided on a Pain.  The layout definitely promotes length without much squirt, and a nice little kick on the back end, it's just a very quick kick, not a huge flip, but not a hard arc either.  On the right condition (medium to medium-light oil) I can play relatively straight with this ball and essentially feed it to the breakpoint and let that little kick get the ball back to the hole.

When the backends are flying, I can get a little deeper with this ball but still play a relatively tight line that will allow me to stay in the pocket and not give it away much.  This ball is not very sensitive to release changes (I suspect that is due to the somewhat-unique layout) but you pretty much know what you're gonna get everytime you throw it.  

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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2006, 12:03:04 AM »
I apologize in advance for the lack of terminology and length. I want to be sure to add as much info as I can (the little I have), to help make it more understandable. First, a little about my style since if you are diffferent, the ball will react differently for you!
I bowled in YABA from 5 to 11 years old, but stopped and haven't bowled more than once every 4 or 5 years since then (25 now). So, I remember the feel of bowling but don't have the mechanics or terminology anymore. I recently joined a league with my brother and have been using a Columbia Beast I got when I was 14, using a modified version of astraight ball with fingering way too short for my hand now. Still I have put up a 155 average, being extremly inconsistant from 110 games to 190's. Two weeks ago I began using the two finger approach ith my brother's Messenger Ti since his grip is too wide for me to use 3 fingers. I have been pretty consistant with that but my low scores came from a lack of consistancy picking up spares with the beast. (My average has steadily climbed with this ball hitting no lower than 150s.) Now on to the Pain that my bro bought me today. (I will add to this review as I get more games under it.)

The lane is using a Standard Christmas tree, 40' 5 to 5 oil on synthetic lanes. We bowled tonight on the 9 and 10 lanes so the oil was medium, unlike 1 and 2 that are like bowling in mud. My Pain is a 15lb, and I believe to be a "standard" drilling for the Hammer line. (There is a bad pic linked below that I will update later.)  It is out of the box condition.

Bowling with my brother's Messenger Ti I was somehwat a Tweener with the two finger style; medium to high rev's with a skid/flip. What a difference this ball was being dull! At first I saw no pin action and that was completely my fault since I was used to the skid/flip or a Pearl ball and this ball is more of a full arc. Once I found the line and slowed down a bit this ball worked wonders, throwing pins and keeping them low. Weak hits still kept the pins low enough to roll across the lane and take out the 9 and 10. My own inconsistency in picking up spares cost me my scores, but I still rolled a 170, 202, and 171, well above my average and more consistant.
Pic of ball drilling:
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=3681816

I hope to have a video up soon as well.

This ball does like a heavy arc and can come back from the gutter on wide throws with alot of force since it revs itself up really well. Slow down too much though and you will see this ball find nothing but the 7 pin. It may be a New Yorker as well because it loves smash the pins like a Brooklyn Brawler. It sucks up the oil pretty well also so make sure this one gets cleaned often.
I stood as far left as I could and threw toward the center arrow. The ball come off nicely and gets a roll through the midlane with some revs on it. By 30 feet it's hitting stride and veering back for the pocket with heavy revs. When I slowed down the revs, it caught early and veered way left. Thrown with too much hand it will just barrel a hole through the pins instead of causing action. I had to push it farther down the lane to get a more consistent arc to the pocket.
Overall a really nice ball for someone who's switching from a near straight ball to a hook. I will slowly begin practicing with my thumb, but until then the ball has some punch and good enough grab to work in medium to medium/wet conditions. I may have to roll my Beast with it's urethane cover when the dry lanes come out though or else I'll be grabbing nothing but seven pins.


As a side note, my brother drilled a Black widow the same day and the difference form his Messnget Ti was like night and day. High rev, low rev, swung out far or taking an inside line he had a hard time NOT hitting the pocket. It blew pins apart sending messengers everywhere. I may have to play with it next week during practice just for the heck of it

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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2006, 09:31:08 PM »
Well...this ball is everything I wanted it to be and more. Very smooth in the oil, and great hitting power when it reaches the pin deck. Carries a lot of errant shots. Also, this ball seems to almost always get the 1 pin to fly of the wall and sweep back across the deck. Left two 9 pins and one 10 pin but were all picked up by the messenger. Unbelievable hitting power. The ball is drilled with the pin about 1/2 an inch to the right of the ring finger and up a little bit. Not sure of CG position, but it is inline with the pin. On a medium oil house shot this ball was impressive. GREAT hitting power and very smooth roll. Only problem is this ball really bounces of the dry. The lanes had medium oil on them, but were pretty dry on the outside. If you got this ball out to the dry too early...see ya, it would take off. I cant wait to try this ball on a fresh THS or an oily sport shot. I will try to repost when i get this baby in some oil.

Ratings:

Hit: Unbelievable...10/10
Length: 3/10
Overall hook: 9.5/10
Versatility: 5/10 (should really only be used on medium heavy through heavy, tends to die out on medium and down)

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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2007, 12:25:49 AM »
16 lb
2 3/4 oz top weight
3-4in pin
Drilled Pin under and slightly to the right of ring finger
4 x 3 7/8in pin to PAP
Out of box finish
Speed about 15 mph when playing inside
Speed about 16.5-17 mpg when playing outside
league avg 205-209
Right handed tweener/cranker
First night 200(gm1), 234(gm2), 289(gm3) = 722 series
Shotmakers Pro Shop, Baraboo WI

Thunderbird lanes in Baraboo has wood lanes, christmas tree pattern, with heavy oil between the 3rd arrows, about 44 ft length.  medium oil between the third and second arrows.  Outside second arrow is a bone dry desert.  You can only play out there with very mild equipment drilled weak.  The shot is straight over 2nd arrow, or play a little in swinging it from 3rd to 2nd.  Carry down by 3rd game is ruff.

Ok, so I got my Pain today to combat the carry down I've been having trouble with, first game was a 200.  I was swinging it thinking the out of box finish would hook to much playing outside.  Although, with the slower speed I usually use when playing inside, I was actually giving the ball too much time.  The angle was too steep, leaving me with several solid 9 pins, and 4 pins.  Midway through the second game, I took a leap of faith, and moved 5 boards right with my feet, and played straight up the second arrow.  Finished with 234.  Last game the ball was unstoppable.  Had front 10 in a row, 11th shot in 10th frame was dead in the pocket, but ended up with a stone solid 9 pin (was a pinch soft on the speed).  Finished with a 289 and 722 series.

It was only my first night with the ball, but it was the best I've thrown any of my equipment in about a year.  Hit the pins very hard, left only two 10 pins in the first game, and really carried.  Threw pins everywhere.  If the cover holds up, I will be a very happy Hammer fan.  Give this ball some consideration for med to heavy oil conditions.  It will over hook on the dry parts so be warned.

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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2007, 09:39:43 AM »
I drilled this up before the PBA Sr. Regional in Gastonia in November and after using it in 3 Sr. regionals, now can post what it can, and can't do.

Laid out and drilled by Craig Porter of JenXXX Pro Shop in Knoxville TN, 3 3/8" from pin, nothing fancy, left in box condition (I rarely change the surface of my equipment). It was tremendous on pattern 1 (twice), on the longer pattern 5, did not have enough recovery that I needed, so I will remember to use this on specific patterns (right now, 1, 3, 5), and look forward to trying it on the very tough pattern 4.

Characteristic I found in the Pain that was a big asset is its hitting power. Kept pins very low and carry is excellent. Do recommend cleaning each time for use, I used it with no success on house shot (which is fine because I prefer different equipment for league and PBA), I find the surface gets much weaker if not cleaned.  


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Re: Raw Hammer Pain
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2007, 11:49:44 PM »
Here is my followup on the Pain.

I've had this ball now for about a little over a month.  Although I had success my first night in league with it, that success has been varied since.  As the cover started to shin a bit from use, the reaction I received lessoned.  It was great in out of box, but Im not the best at maintaining a dull cover on any of my equipment.  I can not swing this ball anymore because is is to squirty.  It is now my ball to use when I need to play straight up the 2nd arrow.  When this ball has to transition between areas of the lane, it is kinda unpredicatable.

I wouldn't recommend the drilling I had for this (pin right of ring finger).

On the plus side, when it gets to the pocket, it still hits like a truck.  

In all, I wouldn't recommend this ball unless you like to really maintain the cover of the ball.  If not, you may be unhappy with this ball.