Author Topic: The Deal (Read 12724 times)

admin · « **on:** December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »

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The Deal is the ultimate skid/flip in the Hammer line. Featuring the all-new asymmetrical low-mass bias AON core and particle pearl coverstock, The Deal is long and strong.

Specifications:
Color Black/Teal/Violet
Coverstock Particle Pearl
Core 2-piece Asymmetrical
RG 2.48
Differential 0.047
Weights 12 thru 16lbs

Ron Ware · « **Reply #1 on:** July 14, 2004, 06:51:18 PM »

The Deal has a particle pearl coverstock that goes down longer than any other similar coverstock manufactured by Hammer to date. I catch myself leaving almost an equal number of 8 pins as 7 pins (I'm a lefty)!! The carry is phenomenal and has you thinking if you shouldn't go to a lighter ball to offset its strong finish!

It's great for the stroker type of player since its has power written all over it but the cranker type will definitely have to tame this one with more polish from its out of box condition.

This Deal is a steal given its performance rating on the lanes by me on league conditions.

NOTHING HITS LIKE A HAMMER!

K_Korner · « **Reply #2 on:** July 19, 2004, 09:28:35 AM »

Took the 3" pin, placed it over the ring, LMB @ 5:30, small weight hole.
Med-High revs, Medium speed, med axis rotation or 3/4 roll.
The ball has length, at first, I couldn't get it to hook much. Had to slow down a lot and play 10 to 5 to get it to the pocket. When I did get it there, the was no chance for a 10 pin, it hit like a tank.
On a fresher oil condition, 7 to 7 20ft, light buff to 40ft, the ball had a little more play to it. I got left a little further playing 15 to 5, shot 258. Once I got some carrydown, instead of moving right, I was playing 15 to 10, and shot 247, 238. 2 ten pins the whole night. If I hit the dry a little early, she jumped and went through the face.

OVERALL RATING - A
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pba6285 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 03, 2004, 03:22:08 AM »

Took my 4" pin and leveraged the Pin and CG with the pin 1 1/2 in above the VAL or Midline. 1" Weight Hole on the VAL or Midline on a line from the Center of Grip through the Center of Gravity Pitched 1" down . LMB 80 degrees from PAP This is a drilling that Mo Pinel (MoRich) came up back in the early 90's that he called "Flip Dick" and that is what it does it goes long and makes a sudden move to the pocket. I actually had to back my fingers out of the finger holes to maintain control of the ball. I dropped to a 14lb ball because my arthritis has been bothering me, but this ball has explosive power and did not notice any difference in carry.

ih8stupid10pins · « **Reply #4 on:** August 06, 2004, 03:59:45 AM »

Haven't reviewed anything in a while, might as well now that I dumped all of my old storm stuff and started throwing other companies.

3.5" pin, placed it 1 o clock relative to my ring finger, CG at 4:30 in relation to the pin. It worked out to a 4 by 3 1/2 layout, hole on my PAP.

This ball goes REALLY long on the fresh for me, have to play a lot straighter with less side roll to keep this ball on line. Getting around it produces uncanny backed and the ball splashes right through the face. The ball hits like a TRUCK. Breakpoint is very readable and controllable. I didn't have much success with this on carry down, my power diesel was a better option.

All in all, I think this ball will turn out to be a very good ball for most bowlers. Anyone who liked the Re-loaded or anyone looking for something to complement a duller ball (i.e. Ultimate inferno/Full Throttle/Animal Untamed/Rule)

Nothin hits like THIS particular hammer.
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Dwight Albrecht · « **Reply #5 on:** September 24, 2004, 11:39:07 AM »

Hammer Deal:
Ball Specs
The ball being drilled was a 3â€ pin out with 3.00 oz top weight.
The drilling chosen was my favorite. Pin 3 3/4" from PAP and Mb 5" from PAP (approximately 70 degrees) pin is below fingers, 1 3/4" above grip midline. Weight hole past axis pitched away at a 3 o'clock angle.
Bowler Information:
Track diameter is 10 1/2.
PAP is measured at 5 1/4 over and 3/8" up.
Average ball speed (foul line to head pin) is 17 mph.
Axis rotation is typically 45 degrees
Initial rev rate is typically 300 rpm, "Tweener"
Lane Condition and Pattern: AMF HPL Panels. AMF Bowlero lanes in Milwaukee. Home of the 2004 ABC Masters. Oiled to 45 feet super clean backends. Oil Pattern tapered block dry outsides, 50+ units of oil on the inside.

REVIEW:
I tested this ball in the factory polished surface. I tested this ball for Ebonite last March at Classic Lanes in Milwaukee when it was in the prototype stage. Everyone there that tested â€œThe Dealâ€ loved the reaction from the â€œBlueâ€ pin test ball, so much that I didnâ€™t want to give my test ball back to Ebonite. Seeing that it didnâ€™t have a label or approved by the ABC for use I was S.O.L. My hope was that Ebonite would not change too much on the ball or its reaction that Ron Hickland designed this ball to do. Clean through the fronts, strong revving in the mid lane and super hard but smooth backend, recovery from anywhere right with unbelievable carry. Well they succeeded. The 1st three games on the ball were 265, 268, and 246 for 778. I had the first nine strikes in the second game and was thinking 300 until a cold 10 stopped me. But WOW what a ball. I donâ€™t think I ever had a ball out of the box that gave me so much confidence right away. There was no break in period with this ball. In practice I had a good reaction from my Brunswick Intense Inferno but I decided to go with The Deal because it recovered harder from the outsides and kicked out the 10 pin better than the intense.

Compared to my other Balls:
Brunswick Intense Inferno: The Deal with the same drilling revs up a touch quicker in the mid lane then the Intense Inferno. Both have similar roll pattern and similar backend reaction. On the league condition, The Deal carried a touch better.

Columbia Detour: The Detour does not rev up as fast and is much more skid/snappy of a ball with a touch less hook. The thing I really like about The Deal is it backends hard but looks smooth doing it.

If the cover stock holds up in reaction and does not die off after 30 games this could be one great ball for hammer. Itâ€™s been a while since Iâ€™ve thrown a ball that I could WOW this is something special.

Thanks for reading my review.
Dwight

Mr 2-3-4-6-7-8-9 spare · « **Reply #6 on:** October 17, 2004, 06:23:31 AM »

I bought this ball thinking: more hook than any hammer product put on the market in the past couple of years. My pro-shop guy drilled this ball stacked and left it in "out of the box" surface. My first shots I was impressed of the amount of control I had on the "burned-out" lane condtions I was bowling on(synthetic lanes, bowling sun. evening /no house shot oil since friday evening)so I was looking forward to bowling monday league. Also hit wasn't quite as hard as inferno,UI, or uranium but more than xxx factor. Boy was I wrong...fresh oil 44ft and stripped backend, I went from standing 35 throwing 15 to 5 to standing 20 straight down 5. Just enough move to get to the pocket and leave single pins for a couple games. The upside is by the 3rd and 4th game this ball does an excellent job of clearing the dry heads and still cracking the pocket through the carry down (particle, what would we do without it). I just noticed that most on-line ball sellers are reducing and sale pricing this ball, I wonder why?!? For being a DEAL, this isn't much of one. Excuse me, That's Mr. Bowling God? What a joke. I was really hope to rekindle my violet/offset 3-D trust in hammer but this isn't faball its Ebonite with a tweak. No big hopes for The Real Deal...I think I will order up my first Dynothane or Lane #1 performance ball.
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DP3 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 19, 2004, 12:11:20 PM »

Player Profile: Right Handed Tweener, 16.5mph speed, 360rpms, 17 degrees of axis tilt, 45 degree rotation. PAP- 4 1/2 over, 1/8 down

I drilled this Deal looking for something for the house shot I see on my wednesday night league. Bowling collegiately on alot of tougher patterns, and extreme wet-dry's my equipment was just too smooth, too rolly, and too low flaring for this house shot. I ended up suffering with mediocore scores and the lack of a good reaction since I didn't have a big enough ball that I could throw from inside to take advantage of the house shot(90 units in the middle, dumps off on the outside drastically, sharp backend)

So I took the Deal with a 4 inch pin, go over the ring finger, c.g kicked 1 1/2 inches right of the center of grip, LMB in the strong position with a weighthole in the finger positive quadrant. I took the surface down to 1500 grit smooth to give me more of a read of the midlane and be more forgiving on tugged shots in the flood of oil in the middle.

This ball was everything I was looking for and more. This ball gives me a window at the breakpoint of about 8 boards which is a ton more than my other equipment on this same condition. The Deal, even with the surface taken down glides through the heads and gets stronger in the backend as the oil carries down which is pretty rare. This is one of the more aggressive pieces on the backend I've thrown in awhile and probaly the best ball I've picked up since the original Inferno. As a matter of fact the reaction of the two are similar, the Deal however is less over-under when carrydown is present and the breakpoint is smoother. I've put about 20 games on the ball so far and I've only left about 5 or 6 tenpin drops with it. This is definately a fantastic ball that gets alot better once you adjust the surface to a smoother grit. The Deal is a house shot benchmark ball that you should try especially while they are discounted.
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metsnvettes · « **Reply #8 on:** January 27, 2005, 09:51:40 PM »

This ball is horrible. I hope Hammer wasnt serious with that
diagram they show on their website. this ball is supposed to
go down far and take off at the end. Ive been using it for about
three months now and I know I got it drilled up right. I can see two
reasons for the ball not doing what it is supposed to. I might have
got that one in every thousand thats messed up, or the ball is meant
for a cranker. I may be a stroker but i throw it pretty slow so i am
really disappointed if this is all it can do.

dshadow · « **Reply #9 on:** January 28, 2005, 09:25:58 AM »

Picked this up cheap off ebay and thought i'd give it a shot. Heard the ball was a flop and thought i'd give it a go on our(Australian) conditions as we don't have near the amount of oil for house shots.

With the coverstock being a bomb, i drilled it at 45 degrees from my PAP to give it an early roll and see if i can't counteract the length.

The aggressive drilling does somewhat cut into the length The Deal is advertised to produce. I do however find that hammer is throwing out balls that are real speed sensitive. It is easy to throw this ball through the breakpoint and see it make it's move at the pin deck. This rings true with the Big Blue Pearl aswell. Hit's like a hammer tho :-)

I run a pro shop and am yet to sell one of these and i don't recommend them. With a slow ball speed, and the right surface friction, you could do well. However, even a medium ball speed and you could be looking at skidding it through the breakpoint more often than not...

g_thing · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2005, 06:43:58 AM »

Let's start off by saying that I've owned two of these. The first one I let my driller decide what to do with the ball. Originally, I thought that maybe part of the mistake was in where the drill was. The pin was about an inch below the ring at about almost 6:00, with the CG directly below and the LMB under that, close to the thumb at 3:30 to it.

Later I found the problem to be the factory finish though as the ball last me all of maybe 10 shots. With the finish and the drill, I got nothing on the ball. In oil, which at that time everyone thought it was for, it did nothing. In the dry, it did very little. On a drier condition, I would pull out my Blade Pearl and see a nice controlled hook with the ball (wasn't drilled for skid/flip), but the same shot yielded nothing with the Deal. Needless to say.....SOLD.

Heard some rumors that the ball was a good ball if the factory finish was taken off......Hmmmm....so I got another one. This one with drilled more aggressive to start with the pin about 1 inch away in the 3:00 position to the rind, CG slightly kicked out and LMB at about 3:00 to the thumb as well. Small weight hole needed. Difference this time?? Finish was taken down to 400 with an Ebonite product simulating wet sanding!!

Now.....a lot better. Don't get me wrong......I am not saying the ball is set up for heavy oil. But if there is oil and the backends are at least less oiled, or clean, or even dried, this ball has the potential to shine.

I will usually play this ball up between 5-10 and let the ball just drive the pocket. It is not a hard nosedive to the pocket, but still more of a controlled hook. As the lanes dry out, I am able to adjust slightly to the left and move the shot with me as well. As long as the ball gets to some dry boards, it's coming back. If I really want to, I can stay on the outside, so long as I take a little off the ball in terms of hand and maintain, if not increase the ball speed.

Finally, last weekend I was able to play a dry shot. When I say dry, I mean to the point where we were using our spare ball to shoot. On this condition, I was able to easily play a swing shot. Problem is it was speed sensitive because it was so dry. I had to keep the speed up on the ball and if I did, the ball crushed the pocket.

My take. The ball has serious potential. I have shot with a lot of different Hammer balls. In the pocket, this one has to have the best drive I have seen through the pins. Light shots keep the pins down and the ball offers some great carry in my opinion.

My thoughts on this ball are that this is a perfect light to medium shot ball, with the ability to do so devastating damage to the pins. For me, it will be interesting to see how this ball works on shorter tournament patters or on the lanes as they begin to break down.

gshaver · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2005, 09:12:46 AM »

I have a pro shop owner who took over my deal that was a flop for me and he drilled it axis drilling and it moves a ton now he loves it i threw it after he redrilled it and now it flys is is 800 then repolished works good nowcrushes the pocket for him almost to aggressive!!!

JamesCube · « **Reply #12 on:** February 01, 2005, 01:51:41 PM »

I bought a Deal after the local pro shop (that I trust very much) told me it was a good ball for it's reduced price. I'm a tweener with average speed and revs and had been using a Sling Blade for about a year with good results going down and in.

The first night I used the Deal on a house shot, league play I was horrified. The factory finish did absolutely nothing. I had to move right and throw directly to the pocket, and was pretty steamed with the purchase.

Later in the week, second shift league it did a little better on the drying lanes but still was unpredictable.

I scuffed it lightly, just lightly, and wow did it seem to change. I can play almost any line I want with slight adjustments with success. Whether down and in or opening the lane up, it still comes back with great mix on the pins.

I was about a 185 average bowler with my old ball and with the new options the Deal gives me for playing different conditions, I've been able to improve to averages in two leagues of 198 and 190 in a tough center.

If you know how to adjust and can work past the factory finish polish, The Deal is a great ball for all medium patterns.

tericson77 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2005, 01:56:54 PM »

I went to my pro shop the other day and told the guy I was looking for a ball that will allow me to play down-and-in on dry lanes. He prescribed The Deal because of its ability to go really deep. He drilled it with the pin directly above and centered over the fingers with the cg about 2" from and at 1:00 relative to the thumb hole. What he didn't realize is I have a really high axis of rotation and high rev's, which meant that not only could I not use this as a down-and-in ball on dry, but by the third game on house conditions, I had to stand in the left gutter and put the ball out past the 5 board just to keep it from nose diving.

I brought the ball back (annoyed that he had selected the polar opposite ball from what I needed), took one look at my shot, breached his no return policy and drilled (at no extra charge) a Storm Hit.

He told me he was surprised that it hooked so much for me; that for most it doesn't hook enough.

Bottom Line:

This ball is great if you're looking for a ball that goes really deep, but if you're a high rev, high axis rotation bowler, I think you'll find that this ball is way too aggressive.

BowlerKidR · « **Reply #14 on:** May 13, 2005, 08:55:10 AM »

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Picked this one up from a lefty used, so the entire left side (teack side) was clean. Specs on the ball? well i dont have a clue since it was used, but it was about 14 lbs 14 ounces after my drilling. Pic above has layout, pin below ring with mass bias way out about 3 inches to the right of the thumb. This is definatly a light oil ball. I like it a lot.

Shot 1:
Heavy oil shot, crapy heads, lighter outside 10 both sides.
I play this ball swinging from third arrow out to the 4th board like 45 feet down the lane and watch this bad boy come and make its move back to the pocket. Not flippy at all, more of a very strong arc to the pocket. WHen this ball hits, my god does it hit hard. I havent thrown more than 12 games with it and from what i have seen, this ball gets tremonduc carry, almost better then my Saw blade which has the best carry i have ever seen. My high game with the Deal on this shot was a 254.

Shot 2:
No clue what this shot was. It was a tiny tourney held by my house. I believe it was a med walled house shot with a bit of sloppy back ends. Dry outside 10. Switched to another pair after every game. It was a 5 game tournament and i didnt pull this ball out until the 3rd game. My sharp blade wasnt reacting, and nothing else i had with me was either (sharp blade, throttle up, x-factor. spare ball). Anyway, i took this ball out and to my suprise, it worked throwing from 15-10 and it made its way to the pocket. For the 4th game, the pair was weird and i couldnt get a read so i squared up, and let er' rip. Straight up 8 and outstanding. I shot 280.

Great ball for lighter patterns or short sport patterns. Drilled aggressive as i have it isnt flippy as hammer said it was, but thats ok because the ball preforms the way i would have liked it to.

Ryan
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