Post by: VideoBallReviews on July 14, 2008, 08:52:12 PM
I'm proud to present to you The Hammer Black Widow Venom Video.
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My Take on the Ball:
Another winner for the widow line…I was VERY surprised at how much stronger in the backend this ball is than the Black Widow Pearl. I was expecting a good amount of overlap, but not at all…The Venom will clear the heads on just about anything, but boy when this thing hits friction does it go left. The best part about this ball is it will allow most bowlers to stand right on top of the dry spot and stay there longer, while still keeping that aggressive backend move. It will be fun to see where some guys with hand will be able to bring this one back from!
Compared to the pearl, it is longer and more angular on the back. While the pearl still makes a strong “black widow†move on the back, it actually wants to read the lane earlier and be a bit smoother in the back.
Bowlers will need to get this though there heads that this is by no means a heavy oil ball straight out of the box, and will go a long ways if it doesn’t encounter some friction. I have not tried any surface adjustments yet, but im sure with lower grits it could be made to handle more oil. OOB it did ok with carrydown, pretty much what you would expect from a polished ball
All in all in my opinion a good addition to the Hammer Line Up
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Post by: freak761 on July 15, 2008, 01:55:17 PM
I'll wait for a little feedback on the coverstock durability and... I better start saving a little xtra cash!!
Post by: mmcfarland300 on July 15, 2008, 03:07:52 PM
Post by: 300jd on July 15, 2008, 03:35:49 PM
great job as always
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on July 16, 2008, 03:43:03 PM
Would I buy this ball from this video ???? Yes 100 percent if I had the Bite or Solid only but having all of them I could change the BWP and almost get the same roll or polish up a Bite way up and get close.
I can tell you for me polish on BWS has never worked but for many of you it does, so take it for what it's worth.
I also like what I see on the Tantrum video better, it looks as strong as the Venom and costs less so go figure that one out??
Post by: Kid Jete on July 16, 2008, 04:41:02 PM
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There's not enough of a difference to require any more than 1 black widow of any kind you can achieve the same reaction with surface change, hand position and ball speed.
I love comments like this. With your reasoning all you need is a plastic and reactive. You can take almost any ball and through a surface change, hand position and ball speed get pretty much what you're looking for lmao.
Post by: mmcfarland300 on July 16, 2008, 05:03:46 PM
Post by: bigsexyhammer on July 17, 2008, 11:16:05 AM
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There's not enough of a difference to require any more than 1 black widow of any kind you can achieve the same reaction with surface change, hand position and ball speed.
I love comments like this. With your reasoning all you need is a plastic and reactive. You can take almost any ball and through a surface change, hand position and ball speed get pretty much what you're looking for lmao.
I wouldn't laugh... Go ask that old dude on your league who is still rolling a Urethane Hammer or a Rhino or something and still averages 200-220 if he needs a ball for every condition. There is one in every center I have ever been to. He would tell you that if you need a ball for every condition, then you need to learn how to bowl.
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Post by: bluerrpilot on July 17, 2008, 02:38:27 PM
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There's not enough of a difference to require any more than 1 black widow of any kind you can achieve the same reaction with surface change, hand position and ball speed.
I love comments like this. With your reasoning all you need is a plastic and reactive. You can take almost any ball and through a surface change, hand position and ball speed get pretty much what you're looking for lmao.
Having owned multiple bws, bwp and bwb I would agree with his statement. There is not a big enough difference in those 3 that I cannot cover with some surface and layout differences. My personal opinion is the Solid is the best of the 3. (I have not thrown the Venom yet) Its completly logical to take 3 different solids with different layouts and surfaces and be able to have the same look as having 1 of each.
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Post by: bluerrpilot on July 17, 2008, 02:41:37 PM
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I wouldn't laugh... Go ask that old dude on your league who is still rolling a Urethane Hammer or a Rhino or something and still averages 200-220 if he needs a ball for every condition. There is one in every center I have ever been to. He would tell you that if you need a ball for every condition, then you need to learn how to bowl.
Just ask Brett Wolfe what ball he used to win the Masters
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Post by: ShermDawg on July 17, 2008, 06:35:37 PM
I will be drilling my Venom tonight and will have a better analysis after the weekend throwing it at the regional in Vegas on the Scorpion, if the pattern and lane surface allow me to, but until then I have this today....
Having thrown numerous amounts of each Widow since the first one came out in 2006, I have to say that all the Widows have their own reaction and DO NOT react the same with surface prep and layouts.
You drill all 3 of the Current Widows (excluding the Venom obviously), the Bite has a stronger reaction that the Original which has a Stronger Reaction than the Pearl (All in different parts of the lane downlane). Bowling out in the region and especially out on tour this can be said by any of the pros that have had all 3. Each ball reads the lanes differently, at different points down the lane, for different volumes of oil. Tweaking the layouts on each can try to mock the reaction of another within the Widow line but will never be the get the exact reacion of the other specific ball Widow. Of course the balls are going to all have similar motions on the lanes (with varying amounts of oil), due to the fact that there is the Same Core in all of them, Making the Widow Line one of the best that has ever been released, Because you get the Widow reaction for different volumes of oil and can change to a different widow while being able to stay in the same part of the lane. The coverstock changes and developments along the way have been stellar as well.
There is no doubt in my mind that the Venom will be another huge hit for Hammer and the Widow Line. Watching the Video on Video Ball reviews and on BuddiesProShop shoes an obvious difference between The Venom and Bite and the Venom and Widow Pearl Especially. The Venom is far more continuous in the backend and is going to get around that corner better, that is just from merely watching the video. Once Drilled I will give a full detailed comparison from ball to ball, reaction to reaction. The Venom looks to be great and after speaking with Tony Reyes, he said the Venom is more aggressive overall than the Bite, from the look of it on the backend!!!!!
Will report back soon about the Venom.
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Post by: themagician on July 17, 2008, 06:40:49 PM
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Post by: Gene J Kanak on July 17, 2008, 07:10:24 PM
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Post by: themagician on July 17, 2008, 07:36:51 PM
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It also bears mention that many, many balls look terribly similar when you view how they roll on a THS. I know that I can stand in roughly the same part of the lane to throw several pieces of my gear on our house shot. It's how they react on tougher patterns that makes the difference, and that is where the subtle differences in reaction can be greatly magnified.
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Very true Gene, i know first hand on this as it was night and day between my solid and bite, and they looked very similar on a house shot.
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Post by: Kid Jete on July 17, 2008, 09:57:43 PM
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There's not enough of a difference to require any more than 1 black widow of any kind you can achieve the same reaction with surface change, hand position and ball speed.
I love comments like this. With your reasoning all you need is a plastic and reactive. You can take almost any ball and through a surface change, hand position and ball speed get pretty much what you're looking for lmao.
I wouldn't laugh... Go ask that old dude on your league who is still rolling a Urethane Hammer or a Rhino or something and still averages 200-220 if he needs a ball for every condition. There is one in every center I have ever been to. He would tell you that if you need a ball for every condition, then you need to learn how to bowl.
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Oh no I'm not... that's actually my point. Any ball can get close to the reaction you want with all these changes. It's just easier to take advantage of technology and try to keep things as consistent as possible, especially for guys like me that aren't real great with hand positions and the like. With that said, obviously you wouldn't need all 4 widows. I was just making a point that you can take any line of balls and find similarities in them. Especially when they are at the same surface.
Post by: chitown on July 17, 2008, 10:09:48 PM
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It also bears mention that many, many balls look terribly similar when you view how they roll on a THS. I know that I can stand in roughly the same part of the lane to throw several pieces of my gear on our house shot. It's how they react on tougher patterns that makes the difference, and that is where the subtle differences in reaction can be greatly magnified.
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Totally true!
Sometimes a small difference is all that's needed to carry that single pin! That could make the difference between winning or losing!
Very few top level bowlers can get by with limited equipment. Norm Duke did pretty well with only the spit fire. However, he had multiples of that ball! WRW did pretty well with the ensane LEVRG but he had multiples of that ball.
I think chosing the amount of balls one needs in an arsenal depends on what level of bowler were talking about.
I still feel that you buy a reaction shape. Most bowling balls can be used on many different patterns depending on the coverstock grit. I have proved this to myself with the DOOM and BLUE VIBE. It's the reaction shape your buying for the most part.
Edited on 7/17/2008 10:13 PM
Post by: bluerrpilot on July 18, 2008, 04:51:40 PM
...A zillion revs doesnt hurt much either
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