Author Topic: A Little Secret about the DOOM (Read 5740 times)

BowlerKidR · « **on:** February 04, 2006, 10:13:10 AM »

Are you all reay for this?
This info was leaked out from Ebonite along with other info, and a Hammer Rep told my boss that the Doom Raw Hammer is actually using the Coverstock that is on The One. The Doom has the GB10.7 coverstock. It was secretly used on the balls and no one was told about it until the information leaked out. Everyone who has bought this ball is lucky.
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htotheizzo3561 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2006, 09:41:36 PM »

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Thats where i got my info from
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"Strike for show, spare for dough"
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then its gotta be true.
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thehurricane · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2006, 09:44:27 PM »

The One and the Road Hawg do not have the same coverstock. The question was asked a while ago, and I couldn't find the post, but I think it was Ron Hickland who replied and said they're not the same coverstock. The Juiced coverstock only has an oil absorbtion rate around 6 grams, as opposed to the 10.7 grams of the One's coverstock. He also said even though Ebonite owns Hammer, Hammer and Ebonite develop and produce their own individual coverstocks. That means Hammer hasn't used any Ebonite coverstocks.

The coverstock is usually the biggest factor in the price of a ball. That's why Activator isn't on any BVP line balls for Brunswick. That's why the Paradigm is so expensive. If GB 10.7 is such a technologically advanced coverstock, it probably wouldn't appear on a ball at $40+ less than one it is already on. Coupled with that and the fact Hammer doesn't use Ebonite coverstocks, I'd say its as possible GB 10.7 being on the Doom as Activator or EOX.

Perhaps the Hammer Rep was saying the One and Doom have the same coverstock based solely on reaction?

chitown · « **Reply #18 on:** February 04, 2006, 09:46:52 PM »

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The One and the Road Hawg do not have the same coverstock. The question was asked a while ago, and I couldn't find the post, but I think it was Ron Hickland who replied and said they're not the same coverstock. The Juiced coverstock only has an oil absorbtion rate around 6 grams, as opposed to the 10.7 grams of the One's coverstock. He also said even though Ebonite owns Hammer, Hammer and Ebonite develop and produce their own individual coverstocks. That means Hammer hasn't used any Ebonite coverstocks.

The coverstock is usually the biggest factor in the price of a ball. That's why Activator isn't on any BVP line balls for Brunswick. That's why the Paradigm is so expensive. If GB 10.7 is such a technologically advanced coverstock, it probably wouldn't appear on a ball at $40+ less than one it is already on. Coupled with that and the fact Hammer doesn't use Ebonite coverstocks, I'd say its as possible GB 10.7 being on the Doom as Activator or EOX.

Perhaps the Hammer Rep was saying the One and Doom have the same coverstock based solely on reaction?

Do you know this for sure?

thehurricane · « **Reply #19 on:** February 04, 2006, 09:55:13 PM »

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The One and the Road Hawg do not have the same coverstock. The question was asked a while ago, and I couldn't find the post, but I think it was Ron Hickland who replied and said they're not the same coverstock. The Juiced coverstock only has an oil absorbtion rate around 6 grams, as opposed to the 10.7 grams of the One's coverstock. He also said even though Ebonite owns Hammer, Hammer and Ebonite develop and produce their own individual coverstocks. That means Hammer hasn't used any Ebonite coverstocks.

The coverstock is usually the biggest factor in the price of a ball. That's why Activator isn't on any BVP line balls for Brunswick. That's why the Paradigm is so expensive. If GB 10.7 is such a technologically advanced coverstock, it probably wouldn't appear on a ball at $40+ less than one it is already on. Coupled with that and the fact Hammer doesn't use Ebonite coverstocks, I'd say its as possible GB 10.7 being on the Doom as Activator or EOX.

Perhaps the Hammer Rep was saying the One and Doom have the same coverstock based solely on reaction?

Do you know this for sure?

Found it. At least the post about the Road Hawg and One covers. Straight from the big man:
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=111078&ForumID=5&CategoryID=2

Read Ronald Hickland's post. Can't find the one that says Hammer and Ebonite develop their own coverstocks, but I'm pretty certain about it.

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #20 on:** February 04, 2006, 11:05:33 PM »

I was talking about 6 months ago to Ed Gallagher the Ebonite brand manager, he told that each company did its own testing and the coverstocks were strictly used by each company. I got into this conversation because the columbia rumors about m80, so there you have it no is the answer to your question. I am sure Ron will be on probably monday to put this fire out for you, or the hammer DSM that Jason is a friend of.

chitown · « **Reply #21 on:** February 05, 2006, 12:35:08 AM »

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I was talking about 6 months ago to Ed Gallagher the Ebonite brand manager, he told that each company did its own testing and the coverstocks were strictly used by each company. I got into this conversation because the columbia rumors about m80, so there you have it no is the answer to your question. I am sure Ron will be on probably monday to put this fire out for you, or the hammer DSM that Jason is a friend of.

I hope so because I would like to know. I do know that AMF and Columbia have used the same identical covers on there balls. They even used the same names.

azguy · « **Reply #22 on:** February 05, 2006, 06:17:29 AM »

I remember both posts. It was pretty clear, if I remember right, that the two companies did NOT share covers or cores. Seems to me that's the jest of the two posts.
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azguy · « **Reply #23 on:** February 05, 2006, 07:02:18 AM »

Thanks TrimMan, that's the post I remembered, just didn't keep a copy.
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TOON · « **Reply #24 on:** February 05, 2006, 09:24:07 PM »

I would not be surprised at all to find out both balls use the same cover. My reason is this. Back in the very late 80s when I was in college, my class went for a visit at Ebonite's plant in Hopkinsville. We were shown around, TOO COOL BTW, and at the end of the production line people were engraving balls. They also showed us how the CG was found on the ball. Anyway, the balls came out of a polishing machine and rolled down a ramp to the engravers. The track was split with folks on one side engraving "Ebonite Firebolt" and the others were doing "AMF the Angle(black)".
I realize the 2 or 3 balls in question are different colors, but that's just a dye.
Just my 2 cents worth.....
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Proud to be a HAMMERHEAD!!

tburky · « **Reply #25 on:** February 05, 2006, 09:59:13 PM »

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The Doom is pearlized and The One is solid. So, we're talking a pearlized version of GB 10.7? That's strange. I owned both balls at the same time and they didn't really react very much alike. If your info is correct, I guess it goes to show how much difference cores make.
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My doom is not pearlized...box says solid

anotherwindup · « **Reply #26 on:** February 06, 2006, 05:50:02 AM »

Sorry guys, but Ebonite and Hammer DO NOT share coverstocks.

I have stated that many times before, but this seems to come up every couple of months.

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'05-'06 Hammer Amateur Staff
"Nothing HITS like a Hammer"

anotherwindup · « **Reply #27 on:** February 06, 2006, 02:47:43 PM »

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To help clear up some confusion

The coverstocks on The ONE,Doom, and Road Hawg are all different. We actually have different people that work on the coverstocks for each brand at the plant. This helps to keep the brands separate. The Road Hawg coverstock is very different than The One coverstock. The One coverstock is more angular than the Road Hawg. The Road Hawg coverstock can handle more oil down the lane than The One. Both balls offer great high end performance. The Doom coverstock is much weaker in oil than both The One and Road Hawg. In fact the Doom coverstock is not aggressive enough in oil to be considered a high end coverstock. That is why we use it on our mid price products. However on fresh conditions with clean backend the Doom is a great performer.

Hope this helps
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Ronald Hickland
Ball Design Engineer
Ebonite/Hammer

Ron- Thanks for the clarification, and some insight to the Ebonite and Hammer products. Thanks.

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Jason Jenkins
'05-'06 Hammer Amateur Staff
"Nothing HITS like a Hammer"

chitown · « **Reply #28 on:** February 06, 2006, 03:43:28 PM »

Well that's settled!

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