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Equipment Boards => Hammer => Topic started by: T-Hob on January 28, 2004, 07:21:19 PM
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Anyone having problems with carry using their Big Blue? I just read a review and the guy said that he liked the reaction of the ball, but didn't score very well with it. I'm the same way. I like the way the ball rolls but I'm only carrying maybe 1 out of every 4 pocket shots. I know I probably need to make a minor adjustment, and I haven't found a consistent one with this ball yet. After reading that review I was just wondering how others are scoring with the ball.
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Haven't seen a ton of them in our area...but one of the guys in my league shot 299-818 the other night with it and he probably hasn't had an honor score in 10 years. It's just a matter of getting lined up with the ball, since the ball is a control ball by nature if you aren't getting to correct entry angle then carry would be tough no matter what ball it is.
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I have a Big Blue, and it's one of my favortite balls, right there with my Inferno and Raging Inferno. I had some concerns about it also, because of weak entry angle, and not a big backend, but it really is an amazing ball, gets back from the outside when you don't think it will, and the hit is interesting, it isn't a loud explosive thundering hit, the ball just knocks 10 pins in the pit. For me, if I make my shots, this ball delivers the goods, for some reason the carry problem seems to be with my Power Diesel, I thought if anything it would be the other way around, but on fresh oil with good backends the Big Blue is my first choice.
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I've played with my entry angles and still haven't found one that consistently works. It's probably something I'm not doing. With your comment about the hit being "interesting", you've pretty much confirmed my suspicions. I figured it was because the core is based on an old design even though it's supposed to be beefed up. It just doesn't explode when it hits like some of the newer balls. I don't care about that, but I'm leaving way too many weak 10 pins. I shot a game Saturday where I struck in the first frame and got 9 counts on my first ball all the way thru the 9th frame and struck again on my first shot in the 10th. That was a very frustrating game.
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jabroni, did you ever see a match-up for a storm trauma er or a trauma response?!?!? the only match-up i could come up with is between a piece of chocolate and a graham cracker . . .
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3 different houses, 3 different conditions, same results. Jabroni, it's not the conditions.
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And Badshot, I'd have to agree with Jabroni on the ER and the response. I owned both and shot very well consistently with them. Hate I got rid of them actually.
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I would try throwing some polish on it. My expecience with high load particle balls with strong cores (I have a Lane#1 Super Carbide Bomb) is that even on heavy oil conditions, they suceptible to burning up energy early. If this is the case, they hit really flat, and the carry isn't very good.
I currently have my SCB polished as much as I can get (ebonite particle polish, then factory finish, then extender polish)... On a typical heavy oil house shot, I have to move left about every 6 to 8 shots as it will start burning up early (actually I notice the carry weakening more so). Move a couple boards into the oil and the hit is back.
If nothing else works for you, I would suggest trying this. Works well for me. Good Luck!
S^2
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okay, okay . . . i give up!!!! i just didn't have enough oil to throw these balls when i had them. i made an attempt at levity and failed, as usual!
i'd love to get a big blue, but i've heard so many different stories about the ball, i'm hesitant. it's the only "new" hammer ball that i've heard even a shread of negative commentary about.
i'd be curious what you're leaving when you say you're not carrying, t-hob. is it 5 pins or 10 pins, or solid pockets with 8 or 9 pin leaves?
maybe you should just get a lane #1 ball . . . another joke, jabroni!!!!
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I leave a lot of weak 10 pins. I'm going to talk to the guy I got the ball from and see what he suggests. He shot a 300 with the same ball.
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Everyone I have sold this ball too has absolutly loved it.
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I have thrown this ball on many conditions. I drilled it 4 1/2 from the PAP with the HMB strong, pin over the ring with a hole 5" over on the VAL. I hit it with Factory Finish over box cover and I love it. The only problem I have encountered is if there is a light load of oil in the heads it tends to hit soft. I would try putting a little shine on the cover first before redrillng. If your axis rotation is low(under 35*) then that may be part of the problem, the Big Blue tends to roll heavy in the front and without enough AR it may burn up before it gets there.
I hope this helps,
J.A.
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Talked to my ball guy today. He suggested taking it back to the pro shop and having it checked for finger weight vs. thumb weight. He said I need more thumb weight to kick out those 10 pins I've been leaving. Said he had to take one of his other Big Blues back and have that done.....Any views on this?
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T -Hob - When your ball hits the pocket does it drive the pocket or just deflect and hit the 9 pin solid in the face. if this is happening you will leave a lot of 10 pins. The ball just doesn't have enough energy to finish at the pin deck. You may need to get in deeper and play in the oil more. Other than that you will need to polish the ball, change your release to get more skid to save energy or change the ball layout to go longer before it makes it's move.
I haven't thrown a big blue but from what it sounds like that is what is happening.
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Shot 2 games with the ball last night. 195 and 191. I looked at the layout compared to my other balls. The weight hole is up 4 or 5 inches past my fingers on the other side of the ball. On my Phenom Unleashed and Throttle it's down maybe about 3 inches from my thumb. I'm going to have it laid out like the other balls and I'll post the results.
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Couldn't get to the pro shop this past week due to weather. Decided to play with Big Blue a little anyway. Found a shot that I had a little success with. Had to roll the ball early and get it out to maybe 4 or 5. Then it takes a strong and extreme angle to the pocket. This shot worked better than any that I had tried with this ball. I still left several 7 and 10 pins, but not nearly as many as before. I was able to shoot 2 low 600 series with it which is more than I had done with it before. I'll keep tinkering with the shot and see if I can get some 230 and above games with it.
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T, it could be the weights in the ball. Maybe not enough top weight or the right combination of side, finger, top.
Or, it would seem to me that a locator pin is needed on the ball, to determine which direction the 2 bottom blocks of the core are facing. If the angle of these 2 blocks are different, when laying out the ball, the ball will roll different, possibly causing you bad carry. =:^D
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Yeah. I'm going to take the ball to the pro shop this week and have the weights checked. The guy got the ball from suggested that. He had another one that he had to have redone because the weight combination wasn't right.