Post by: Neptune66 on March 20, 2008, 06:23:15 PM
I wouldn't say that my BWB is hooking less overall, but it's changed. Instead of a killer backend, it's making it's move too soon and instead of mixing the pins, it just plows through and leaves lots of corner pins and splits. It's behaving like it's burning up or using it's power too soon or similar reaction, but the lanes are not that dry.
When others described the loss of reaction, I thought the ball would just mellow out a little, but it's not less of the same reaction ----it's like a DIFFERENT one altogether. More early arcing vs late backend. Speeding it up (I DO have plenty of speed ....about 18 mph) sometimes results in a beautiful shot, but just as often causes it to skid past the target.
Ball doesn't even have 15-20 games on it yet. Could it need a hot-water bath that soon????
Thanks for any feedback ----even if it's that this is "operator error" and not the ball's fault.
Post by: revTrex on March 21, 2008, 02:35:46 AM
On a side note, though, do you clean your stuff after each set? If not, start.
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Post by: Neptune66 on March 21, 2008, 09:20:21 AM
Post by: JPRLane1 on March 21, 2008, 09:24:40 AM
Use a cleaning product produced by the manufacturer for the bowling ball, clean and dull, power wash or energizer cleaner. These new ebonite and hammer covers are becoming more and more maintenance sensitive and alcohol is too harsh of a chemical to use on these new covers. If you want the ball to last use an appropriate cleaaner andd follow some type of resurfacing schedule.
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Post by: Neptune66 on March 21, 2008, 09:28:03 AM
And how come I have 2 Angers and a Raid, with a lot more games on them and they are having no problems?
Post by: chitown on March 21, 2008, 09:32:34 AM
The part of the lane you were playing was probably breaking down and causing the ball to check up early.
Post by: Neptune66 on March 21, 2008, 09:45:10 AM
One thing I HAVE noticed with the Bite is that it is an "all or nothing" ball in my hands, so bad conditions (from my perspective) will be exagerrated. I have very few games right around 200 with it. It's either I'm humming with a 247 or lost with a 170 something (my average is in low 200's).
Post by: Brickguy221 on March 21, 2008, 09:56:28 AM
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It sounds like your were bowling on a shorter/lighter pattern and the ball was checking up early.
The part of the lane you were playing was probably breaking down and causing the ball to check up early.
I agree with chitown. What he said was my thinking also when I read your post.
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Post by: Neptune66 on March 21, 2008, 10:51:30 AM
I think I was trying to blame the ball for my decision to stick with it when reaction was indicating a switch was needed. I have had some very good games with it. Last night just wasn't one of them.
:-)
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Post by: chitown on March 21, 2008, 01:07:22 PM
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Ok. I'll wait till I'm on either a heavier or longer pattern before making any drastic changes. Probably should not even have been using this particular ball last night, but stubbornly wanted to make it work.
I think I was trying to blame the ball for my decision to stick with it when reaction was indicating a switch was needed. I have had some very good games with it. Last night just wasn't one of them.
:-)
Thank you
I've made some very poor ball choices at times. This usually seems to happen when I get a new ball. lol I'm getting better at not using a particular ball just because it's my favorite or it's new.
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on March 21, 2008, 01:20:10 PM
In my Tuesday sweeper, I had my Bite, BWP, and Cell (freshly polished 1st time) and I was striking in warmups at will with the Bite and Cell, decided to go with the Bite because it's newer and I just like it
Within 4 frames I was back to the Cell and ended with a 477 for two, 733 for 3, and 967 for 4...sometimes being stubborn isn't the way to go
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Post by: Juggernaut on March 21, 2008, 02:30:30 PM
When he first got the thing, he was killing everyone, everywhere with this thing. Pins had no hope and were being turned into canonfodder by this thing. I was very impressed, and on the verge of buying one for myself, when the "change" took place.
After shooting 2 300's, a 299, an 800, and a 796, the ball seemed to "slow down". He said that he cleaned it after every set, but I don't know how quicly after. At around the 50-60 game mark, the balls reaction seemed to weaken, and I was watching VERY closely because I really wanted one of these things.
He took it into the shop and they cleaned and freshened up the surface back to factory specs, but the ball was still weak and seemed to be getting weaker, so he tried the hot water bath. Still nothing.
I don't think I will be getting one of these after all. Don't get me wrong, his ball hasn't completely died, but it has changed into just another, run of the mill, medium condition ball with nothing soectacular about it.
Right out of the box it was awesome. And for the next 50-60 games he was almost unbeatable. But I would like something that would seem to last a little better than his did, and I don't feel like taking a $250 chance.
His was a GREAT ball, but only for a while. Now it is just a good, medium shot, run-of-the-mill ball, NOT the spectacular bomb it was when it was new.....
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Post by: Kid Jete on March 21, 2008, 02:45:58 PM
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YOUR ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO USE RUBBING ALCOHOL ON NEW HIGH PERFORMANCE BALLS PERIOD!
Use a cleaning product produced by the manufacturer for the bowling ball, clean and dull, power wash or energizer cleaner. These new ebonite and hammer covers are becoming more and more maintenance sensitive and alcohol is too harsh of a chemical to use on these new covers. If you want the ball to last use an appropriate cleaaner andd follow some type of resurfacing schedule.
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Rubbing alcohol(Isopropyl) is perfectly safe to use on bowling balls, you can even use it during play. Denatured alcohol is what you shouldn't use and is illegal because it's been tested to soften the coverstock slightly. What do you think is used in alot of the manufacture's cleaners to help the liquid evaporate? Captain Caps.
Edited on 3/21/2008 2:49 PM
Post by: Gazoo on March 21, 2008, 05:32:35 PM
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Too harsh?
And how come I have 2 Angers and a Raid, with a lot more games on them and they are having no problems?
Some people say the Raid dies after 20 or 30 games. This loss of reaction seems to be a hit or miss depending on the person and the ball. A very strange phenomenon. Someone needs to conduct a survey to see if this affects lower revs, med revs, or higher revs bowlers a disproportionatley amount of the time, or is just as random.
Post by: Gazoo on March 21, 2008, 06:44:40 PM
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Just sounds like another hopkinsville ball dying because they dont care about the longevity of there products.
I disagree to some extent which is why I stated hit or miss. I have used quite a few ebonite and hammers and the only one that lossed real reaction(all balls lose some reaction over time) was the Big One at 150 games. My Big Time Sanded is still going good at about the 300 game mark.
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Post by: JPRLane1 on March 21, 2008, 07:22:36 PM
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YOUR ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO USE RUBBING ALCOHOL ON NEW HIGH PERFORMANCE BALLS PERIOD!
Use a cleaning product produced by the manufacturer for the bowling ball, clean and dull, power wash or energizer cleaner. These new ebonite and hammer covers are becoming more and more maintenance sensitive and alcohol is too harsh of a chemical to use on these new covers. If you want the ball to last use an appropriate cleaaner andd follow some type of resurfacing schedule.
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Rubbing alcohol(Isopropyl) is perfectly safe to use on bowling balls, you can even use it during play. Denatured alcohol is what you shouldn't use and is illegal because it's been tested to soften the coverstock slightly. What do you think is used in alot of the manufacture's cleaners to help the liquid evaporate? Captain Caps.
Edited on 3/21/2008 2:49 PM
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Post by: tomstewa on March 21, 2008, 10:04:54 PM
Post by: chatnboy on March 22, 2008, 01:32:46 AM
Post by: chitown on March 22, 2008, 04:55:13 PM
The HOT WATER BATH process (I use the bathtub/bucket process) does get oil out of the coverstock and will bring back a lot of the balls original NIB reaction. This process works and works very well!
Now with regards to the Ebonite covers. Ebonite covers seem to absorb oil the quickest. Even thought they absorb oil quick they still perform great. I use the HOT WATER BATH process every 50 to 75 games on a ball.
Post by: ddown88 on March 22, 2008, 06:27:55 PM
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