Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on December 23, 2006, 03:08:17 PM
I have a perfectly good NIB Black Widow sitting in my room already, so really I don't need to buy something new.
My thing is, I need a ball for a medium oil house shot. Is this ball polishable if needed?
Post by: Xfest on December 23, 2006, 11:32:18 PM
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DO NOT POLISH THE BLACK WIDOW.
From what I have seen and from what a decent amount of people have told me.. it rolls like garbage polished, so don't do it.
I would assume the reasoning behind this is because it get's down the lane so well already, polish just ruins the roll.
So, no.. this is not a ball for medium oil normally... BUT!.. it can be drilled to be one. Putting the pin at like 5" above fingers and the HMB left of thumb would make the ball weaker... but I have yet to see a Widow drilled like so.. so I don't know what to tell you.
If I were you I'd drill it tgo what it is suppose to do.. and that's being a smooth continuous big backend ball. You should love it like this.. I have 290/799 with it so you can't go wrong!
-Chris
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I keep my Black Widow at nothing but Polished. The polish gives me a better look of playing deep and having a more hook type of reaction with it. I use Black Magic XL and it adds 2-3 more feet in reaction and increases the hook at breakpoint for me.
I love mine polished.
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Post by: azguy on December 24, 2006, 05:25:16 AM
You can buy a Toxic , great on med oil..or
You could do something strange and save the money.
See what's coming out in Feb/Mar and if things do work , maybe wait for next seasons ball release.
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Post by: pjr300 on December 24, 2006, 05:42:16 AM
I have talked to a few folks who polished their BW and they also hated it....
Toxic or Doom sounds like the move....
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Post by: pjr300 on December 24, 2006, 08:42:37 AM
Drama aside....
The comments posted here is that people who have polished the BW have found it too squirty. Some have had better luck with polishing by bringing it down to 1000g or lower first before polishing it.
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Post by: Wallshot on December 24, 2006, 09:51:26 AM
As far as polishing it, throw it for a few games and it'll shine up just fine on its own.
Post by: Raven829 on December 24, 2006, 09:57:48 AM
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Post by: strikestriketapped on December 24, 2006, 11:41:36 AM
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Post by: qstick777 on December 24, 2006, 01:30:39 PM
I remember people saying that the BW was not a true heavy oil ball, but more for medium to medium-heavy. Everybody has also said that the BW is very adjustable.
You shouldn't have any problems using the BW on the shot you mentioned.
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Post by: strikestriketapped on December 24, 2006, 03:02:55 PM
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I'd tend to agree with Inverted 1, Raven829, and Wallshot.
I remember people saying that the BW was not a true heavy oil ball, but more for medium to medium-heavy. Everybody has also said that the BW is very adjustable.
You shouldn't have any problems using the BW on the shot you mentioned.
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You're right, it's not a true heavy oil ball but is very good for med/hvy. I love my Strike Zone for heavy because it rolls early and ignores carry down.
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on December 24, 2006, 07:25:46 PM
I really want to throw the Widow, and it if is good for Medium, I don't have much to lose by trying it.
If I don't like it I can always sell it and get another Doom
Thanks for the responses.
Post by: pjr300 on December 25, 2006, 12:37:49 PM
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No offense, but your friends have no idea what they're talking about. I drilled a Black Widow last week and polished it (before I even drilled the holes, actually) and the ball rolls incredible and hits like an absolute tank. I'm sending messengers on hits that have no business being anything other than flat 10-pins.
Jeff, a lot of guys have found the polished BW squirty and inconsistant from what I understand. with your ball speed you may not find the same issue. Did you leave it at the OOB finish before polishing?
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Post by: Xfest on December 26, 2006, 12:06:06 AM
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Theres a high percentage chance that it'll NOT work for you. Get a Toxic or Doom and have fun. Let the BW do what it does.. and that's work well on Med/Heavy conditions!
-Chris
P.s. Damn you people are crazy on here. God forbid someone doesn't full explain something or the get their head chopped off!
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You are acting like there is a huge base of people here. Don't say you will get a higher product rating without polish.
All polish does is add length or reaction to a ball. And you say the ball changes hugely.
Do you even own the ball?
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Post by: max revs on December 27, 2006, 01:55:10 AM
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Post by: BackToBasics on December 27, 2006, 05:59:50 AM
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I Said "Do Not polish the Black Widow", because for MOST it doesn't work well. I have hear from very very good collegiate bowlers who bowl around the country say it doesn't work well.
Sounds like they don't understand surface management. Although they may be good, collegiate bowlers aren't the authority on ball management. I've bowled with/against quite a few who weren't that knowledgeable about ball dynamics and surface changes but were helluva bowlers.
The BW works very well polished. It's the only choice for the DC area because of the way the heads break down. Doug Kent had a great reaction with one at a regional here. I suspect that some people are polishing it on top of the 4000grit box which could make it too squirty on higher volume heads (pretty much any ball would have that problem). However, taking it down to 800 or 1000 grit before will eliminate that. As with any ball, surface management must take into consideration all factors including the bowlers release, speed, and lane conditions.
"In general.. a person is better off just getting a different ball instead of polishing the Widow.. Theres a high percentage chance that it'll NOT work for you." Where do people get this
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on December 30, 2006, 06:50:36 PM
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SGC300 why when I was reading in another post you said that you have seen a toxic but the backend would kill you, so you got another doom. And your asking if you should drill a widow when everyone says it has a big backend. Just wondering?
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17 mph ball speed
med axis tilt
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No Mercy WOW WOW WOW did I say WOW!!
Road Hawg
Pain
Doom
Black Widow
Ambush
Big Time (for sale 5-10 games)
Blue Vibe
White Dot
Well from what I've seen on the Toxic, it would work well for me on one shot. A Standard House Shot. Also I'd have to swing the heck out of it. I have thrown the Doom, and I liked it. It did have some pretty decent back end to it, but it was controllable on the right condition.
I really don't know what to expect out of the Black Widow, which is why I am asking.
Thank you for your responses.