I agree with chitown. I'm not singling out the black widow I just don't like asymmetric balls. That being said. I had the pain drilled first, right out of the box lover it. I didn't have to do anything to the cover. Loved it. I had the black widow drilled. Right out of the box I liked it, on the condition I was using it on at the time (medium oil, no carrydown). On the same shot loved the pain. After it got spoty, I moved right and was still in the hole with the pain. The black widow didn't take to well to the change in conditions. Couldn't find a shot, had to bag it. The next day I had the cover on the black widow taken down to 1000. I went out to the same pair. Fresh medium oil, no carrydown. The ball was more predictable and when it came to making a move right after the oil moved, it was still playable. I still like the pain more. Gun slingers like the Black widow out of box. Strokers and tweeners like it after you tinker with it a little. 2cents