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2 ball arsenal
« on: June 24, 2007, 02:15:27 PM »
I am thinking of shrinking my arsenal down a bit to help improve my game in terms of adjusting to the shot.

I still want to try out some Hammer products as well.  That being said, I might as well start fresh, and save some $$$ by sticking with 2 balls and a spare.

Normally a fresh THS is medium to med/heavy.  The reason I want to try out some other Hammer stuff is because of the BWP.  So right now I am looking for a step down from that.  I've already gotten great insight into the Toxic, but don't think the pair will make a good combo.

I am thinking the Cherry Vibe maybe.

Also, if anyone has a comparison between the BWP, and my current "favorite" ball the RXS300 in terms of length and backend reaction, that would definitely be helpful.


 

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Re: 2 ball arsenal
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2007, 10:36:37 PM »
Thanks for the reply,

I considered the Anger as well a few other balls that were stronger than the BWP.

But I'm going to assume that the BWP will work fine for the fresh shot. I was looking for a ball that I could use when the shot broke down as a "closing ball" on the last game or game and a half.

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Re: 2 ball arsenal
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2007, 10:40:59 PM »
The BWP, with a moderate-strength drilling, and a Cherry Vibe, with a stronger drilling, would give you a nice arsenal useful on THS -- especially if your current fave on that shot is the RXS300. The reason I say this is that the RXS300 is a ball that performs well on most drier mediums and shorter patterns. Therefore, I feel safe in saying you don't need something that is going to hook like crazy -- like a No Mercy, etc. The pearl reactive covers on both the BWP and the Cherry should cover most conditions that you might encounter, and give you a decent look on the lanes.

The BWP is going to be about as long as your RXS300 (maybe a few inches shorter), but with a more angular and bigger backend. The Cherry should go longer and have a less angular reaction.

Hope this helps. If you are not bowling in a ton of tournaments, and you are, rather, just bowling in a league or two every week, on a condition that is pretty close to being the same each week, I don't see any reason that you could go wrong in selecting these two balls.

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Re: 2 ball arsenal
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2007, 10:59:15 PM »
revtrex-very good stuff to hear.  I was hoping the BWP would similar in length and stronger in backend motion.  I have the RXS300 layed out with the "trick layout" but with the MB in a stronger position.  I get tons of length and a strong movement off friction that has allowed me to use it on a variety of shots, as long as there is friction down lane, and on a THS-there always is.  It is good to know that I may be able to get my favorite reaction, only stronger with the BWP.

I'm still looking for a ball that will I can go to with the same length and same backend motion on a broken-down shot.  From your description, the Vibe may not fit the bill (Maybe a Toxic with a weaker drilling?)

I won't be bowling a lot of tournaments this year, but I have some stuff lying around to fill in the gaps in terms of ball reaction, hook strength, etc.

Nevertheless, appreciate the help!  


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Re: 2 ball arsenal
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2007, 12:19:40 AM »
I think going down to a 2 ball arsenal is a great idea if you bowl on THS.  There's really no need for a large arsenal if your bowling on that type of pattern.

I think the BWP and Cherry vibe make a great 2 ball combo.  If the BWP is not enough ball for the fresh pattern you could always adjust the cover for more bite.
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Re: 2 ball arsenal
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2007, 12:38:52 AM »
Yah, they did change the shot last season to a flood since there was another/bigger league after us.

Several others tried using sanded balls or stronger balls to try and get the ball to read the midlane better.

For me, it was a matter of finding a ball that came back strongly when it found friction at the end of the pattern.  I guess thats why I love the RXS300 reaction so much.

My main concern was that the BWP wouldn't be enough, so its very encouraging to hear the input given by everyone thus far.  

So I am very sure that BWP will do its job.  I am still on the fence about what ball will fill the role of when the shot breaks down.  

I need a ball with a strong backend motion to deal with carrydown, but still cleanly clear the heads and allow me to stay in my "comfort zone" longer.

With the current THS, once the lanes break down I have to make a huge move in and fish for a line.  By the time that happens, I don't have much bowling left to do, and my last game average is suffering.  If I can find a ball that holds the line I play better, I am sure my game can benefit more.

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Re: 2 ball arsenal
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2007, 06:09:13 AM »
Hate to say , but if you have ruled out the Toxic and the Vibe, as far as Hammer goes, that only leaves you with the Doom.

For my leagues, last season, I went with the No Mercy/Toxic and between the two there wasn't a need for anything else, spare ball excluded. Only time I could have used something else was the league after the PBA shots, A couple times on that night I could have used several balls, the machine didn't always do it's job and it seemed we were on ice, slipping/sliding hard to find a line when there's that much out there.

I still think the Toxic, weaker drill, will fit the bill.

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Re: 2 ball arsenal
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2007, 11:01:22 AM »
azguy-I haven't ruled anything out yet.  I was just unsure about whether or not the Toxic or the Vibe would do what I needed it to do.  I have gotten conflicting suggestions as to what ball would compliment the BWP the best.

In terms of "weaker drilling" for the Toxic-any suggestions?  I am drilled the widow using a 5-5 1/2 Pin to PAP drilling, 75degree MB layout that has worked well for me.

I was thinking for the Toxic, maybe another 5 1/2 in drilling with the pin under the middle finger to smooth out the reaction a bit.

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Re: 2 ball arsenal
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2007, 12:16:35 PM »
I have my Toxic pin above, maybe 1/8 in right of center line, and cg kicked about 3/4 in right of center. IMO, if you move the gc center of grip it'll smooth out the backends, if that's what you are looking for.

I usually use, for me, the MB point even if it is a symmetrical core or the MB is low rated. It works for me, as a starting point then I can adjust the layout to what I want/expect from the ball, but that's how I do it for me, not everyone.

My Toxic has a hard backend, so moving the cg more center grip or even a bit left of center will give more an arc, not as much as other balls, but to a point, if, again, that's what you want.

I'd suggest you talk to your driller about pin above ( length) and cg center to left of center line with the pin/pap 4-4 1/2 in.

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Re: 2 ball arsenal
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2007, 12:52:40 PM »
I've experimented with a few pin over drillings.  I love them on my "benchmark balls".  

But for the shots that have broken down, I find them a bit too uncontrollable.  It seems like once they read the friction point, they just shoot off of it.  This worries me a lot, especially after reading some reviews of the backend strength of the Toxic.

I was going to lay this ball out with the same pin-pap length that has worked well, and as mentioned put it pin under-around the middle finger.  My main concern is the ball rolling out.  I had a ball drilled with the same layout but pin over-and it never finished (though remeasuring it...it was probably a 6in pin-pap or so).

You make a good point about locating and using the MB point on the ball.  I was planning on putting it in the "strong position" and drilling an x-hole into that point to try and create more assymetry in the core for a stronger backend move to counter the possiblity of rollout.  I just hope this plan I have for this ball (if i get it) works.

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Re: 2 ball arsenal
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2007, 01:33:12 PM »
Hammer no mercy and Widow pearl.

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Re: 2 ball arsenal
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2007, 02:04:53 PM »
quote:
Hammer no mercy and Widow pearl.


Umm...yeah, did you even read the original post?  Next please.

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Re: 2 ball arsenal
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2007, 02:18:23 PM »
I have to agree with revTrex. Go with the Black Widow Pearl and the Cherry Vibe. The combo will give you a range of reactions and force you to make some adjustments when necessary.
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