Post by: BBU on August 13, 2008, 05:56:44 PM
Can anyone offer some helpful tips please?
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Post by: on August 14, 2008, 06:57:03 AM
The coverstock alone should react to friction so you should've seen somekind of move out of the ball. It's possible that you didn't have enough head oil so the ball puked as soon as it hit lane, but you still should've been able to see the coverstock grab.
Scuffing the surface will make a ball grab more in oil and in general smooth a ball out at the break point. Not sure that this is the answer for you...
Post by: on August 14, 2008, 06:57:13 AM
The coverstock alone should react to friction so you should've seen somekind of move out of the ball. It's possible that you didn't have enough head oil so the ball puked as soon as it hit lane, but you still should've been able to see the coverstock grab.
Scuffing the surface will make a ball grab more in oil and in general smooth a ball out at the break point. Not sure that this is the answer for you...
Post by: Goof1073 on August 14, 2008, 06:57:27 AM
The coverstock alone should react to friction so you should've seen somekind of move out of the ball. It's possible that you didn't have enough head oil so the ball puked as soon as it hit lane, but you still should've been able to see the coverstock grab.
Scuffing the surface will make a ball grab more in oil and in general smooth a ball out at the break point. Not sure that this is the answer for you...
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Post by: charlest on August 14, 2008, 09:55:59 AM
Odd that you had to drill it to go long with a strong snap at the back, as that is its very nature. A normal drilling should get that reaction.
I believe its intended oil amount for the average revs, average ball speed bowler is medium to medium-heavy oil. Let's say if the original Black Widow doesn't work on that oil, the Venom won't.
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Post by: BBU on August 14, 2008, 06:40:30 PM
I threw the Black Widow and Black V2 and the balls were wheeling the lane.
The lanes were dry, after league around 10pm. I threw 15 games from 10-midnight and even with the 15th game the ball didnt move. I played the same line, trying to get it to bump off the driest part of the lane near the gutter and it did nothing. There was some oil in the midlane when I started, but the ball had no reaction there either.
The drilling is close to the #3 hammer drilling according to the pro shop guy. Ill take a photo and post it later tonight.
Goof - I may need to scuff the ball in order to get it to move. I was just looking for some advice from anyone thats thrown it or knows more about the ball than I do.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on August 15, 2008, 11:33:17 AM
It is not what i had hoped it to be, probably going to use resurrection as the finish next set and give it some nuts. I did score 224 with it on a game 3 of league last night so it does hit well when you can use it.
It makes my BW Pearl look strong not even close to a Bite or Solid overall, personally I would pass on this ball but since I have it why not make it work.
A step down from a Playmaker, Black Pearl, Arch Rival which is 2-3 steps over it just not a good release IMO.
I have a Blue Vibe that will outhook the Venom on the same lane conditions and any of the other balls mentioned make it look really bad.
Think of a bad copy of the Rapid Fire and you have the Venom, oil or not so far not a great ball.
Post by: Brickguy221 on August 15, 2008, 12:24:00 PM
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Post by: jkiser01 on August 15, 2008, 02:32:23 PM
It makes me want to drill more balls with the pin in the bridge..
I have only had mine maybe 10 games and can't wait to use it some more..
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on August 15, 2008, 04:23:01 PM
Resurrection left a beautiful matte finish smooth looking, I will try it sunday morning against the new Lane buzzbomb/R and Mystic i just picked up. They should all be in the same strength range, I find some ball just do not like to be polished for some players which means me.
Playmaker and Black Pearl have never been touched and hook plenty overall for me, in playmaker is simply a great ball for the price. Think V2 Sanded with more recovery, big strong arc but readable.
Black pearl flips over harder than the playmaker but is actually longer before it does, it creates alot of backend angle for me.
Post by: Brickguy221 on August 15, 2008, 07:43:59 PM
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Playmaker and Black Pearl have never been touched and hook plenty overall for me, in playmaker is simply a great ball for the price. Think V2 Sanded with more recovery, big strong arc but readable.
Barry, I just got the Playmaker and the lanes have been much drier than normal the 2 times I have tried it, so I can't entirely judge it yet, but from the little I have been able to use the Playmaker, my initial opinion is that it is definitely a keeper. This Playmaker ball seems to hit extremely hard for me, especially for a 14# ball. League starts next week, so the lanes will have more oil and posibbly be a bit slick as they sometimes are, so I am anxious to see what it will do on that condition. Mean while, I have a problem with the new Playmaker ball I just got Tuesday this week......
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Post by: BBU on August 16, 2008, 04:36:00 PM
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Post by: Blistershurt on August 16, 2008, 05:06:11 PM
1) Depending on your style, if you're throwing this on dry lanes you could be getting a roll out.
2) The ball needs to be taken down surface wise (2k seems to be a good starting point)
3) You're trying to throw the ball harder than you normally throw everything else and overthrowing it.
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Post by: BBU on August 16, 2008, 09:26:24 PM
Thanks Blister
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Post by: Fatboy8 on August 16, 2008, 10:39:22 PM
Just wondering if he's watched you bowl, or took this layout from your other equipment.
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Post by: BBU on August 17, 2008, 05:09:37 AM
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Post by: charlest on August 17, 2008, 01:15:07 PM
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Yes he recommended the drilling. He said it was close to the Hammer drilling #3. My BW is similiar to the placement of the pin, cg, and mb, except the pin is below my ring finger and the ball hooks like a monster. I told him i wanted a bit more length with a snap on the backend. Thats why he drilled it the way he did. We bowl together so he knows my style.
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My 2 cents -
In theory, the baseline reaction of the Venom versus the original is such that the same drilling as the original would have given you what you wanted. I suspect your driller did not know enough about the Venom to appreciate this. This drilling on the other hand puts the pin even further from your PAP and adds length and snap besides that. So much so that you need even more dry to get that reaction. This drilling either needs a LOT more dry than you're seeing or needs someone with a lot more hand than you have.
In either case, sanding is not the solution for this drilling, if the reaction you have indicated is still the one you want. Oh, sanding will probably get you a reaction but not the one you intended when you bought this ball.
If you still want what the Venom offers, I believe you need to redrill this ball.
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Post by: Fatboy8 on August 17, 2008, 01:40:09 PM
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Post by: notsohotshot on August 17, 2008, 02:27:50 PM
Post by: charlest on August 17, 2008, 03:04:02 PM
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Based on what you guys are saying if someone wanted a long and strong reaction you need to drill this stronger than say the prl like maybe a 4X4 ?
Don't know about anyone else, but I wasn't saying that. This ball is stronger than the Pearl, near as I can tell. Also It's a solid, not a pearl.
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Post by: Fatboy8 on August 17, 2008, 05:26:46 PM
Put a strong drilling on it, and let the aspects of the design of the ball, being long with backend snap work together. To me, sounds like the length drilling isn't matching up with the cover/core for what he wants it to do.
That's what I'm looking at. I had a BW Pearl, pin over the bridge, and it was horrible for me, and I tried every option with the cover on it. Have another drilled stacked leverage right of the fingers, and it's a great ball. Kinda where he's at on his Venom.
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Post by: OG1 on August 18, 2008, 10:03:51 AM
what are your PAP coordinates? when you threw the ball did it flare a little or a lot?
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Post by: BBU on August 20, 2008, 04:37:42 AM
Ill get back with you
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on August 20, 2008, 10:13:58 AM
I do not believe for one minute that this is the strongest veneer ever used on a hammer ball, my take is weaker than the Pearl cover.
Post by: mrbowlingnut on August 20, 2008, 10:22:24 AM
It is a good ball but do not expect the as strong of a move as the solid produces, so if you want longer than the pearl it really does do that.
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I'm wondering if a 3 3/8" stacked leverage drilling wouldn't benefit you more, on this ball??
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Post by: BBU on August 20, 2008, 11:35:19 PM
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Post by: BBU on August 21, 2008, 11:15:22 PM
I knocked it down with 2k grit paper on the spinner, then went over it with a fine scuff pad. I took it to the lanes for a 9 game test session.
The ball hit the dry cushion around five and blew the rack. The ball reacted a million times better than the other day. I was very happy with the reaction and it was what I was looking for. It laid off the pocket a bit longer than the BW. The BW was rushing the pocket to hard and going through the nose. The same line with the Venom and it held longer and carried every time.
Thanks again to everyone for the advice.
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Post by: pjr300 on September 16, 2008, 09:38:21 PM
So, if you take the shine of this ball (by bringing it down to 2k), isn't it pretty much the same as the standard Black Widow? Same weight block, and similar cover? Seems like the higher pin is getting you the extra length.
Or -- am I missing something here?
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Post by: BBU on September 20, 2008, 05:41:09 AM
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Post by: strikealot on September 20, 2008, 07:54:29 AM
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Post by: azguy on September 20, 2008, 08:41:42 AM
Granted we have this year a strange pattern, machine is messing up at times, but he adjusts and he's avg 18 pins above last year, so far. He's not the best in the world but he loves the game and is one of those who doesn't blame the conditions when he screws up.
Knocked the cover lightly just to take a bit of the shine off. I think to many folks just want it to go long and put the pin above without thinking about the cover.
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Post by: strikealot on September 20, 2008, 10:30:11 AM
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