Post by: charlest on May 23, 2008, 02:14:45 PM
Buddies is clearing them out and I am so tempted.
Regarding the Blue's even reacting ball path, so much so that many think it's more a polished solid than a pearl,
I saw this note regarding the Cut Throat coverstock on the Blue Vibe, in Hammer's "Product Technical Information", they say that it's a particle pearl,
"Hammer's Cut-Throat coverstock features an aggressive base reactive with particle and pearl additives."
Since the BV is the only Hammer with the Cut Throat coverstock, this line must be referring to the Blue Vibe.
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Post by: Maine Man on May 23, 2008, 10:20:24 PM
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Post by: charlest on May 23, 2008, 10:21:31 PM
I think it was also on one of the Deals.
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Post by: Maine Man on May 23, 2008, 10:23:03 PM
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Post by: charlest on May 23, 2008, 10:25:32 PM
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charlest, the Hawg is the only ball that Hammer has made with the actual Cut Throat coverstock. The Blue Vibe and also the Hawg Wild both feature the Cut Throat Reactive cover. I believe this cover differs sligtly in that the regular CT cover has the particle additive in it.
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I would have thought that the BV was a reactive cover, BUT why would Hammer put that statement on the Tech SPec table if it didn't apply to the BV? And I really thought that was why the BV was so even reacting.
The Razor Blade was supposed to have the particle pearl CT coverstock: http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=18&BallID=628
The Real Deal also had the CT Coverstock which version it might have been, I don't know: http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=18&BallID=564
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Edited on 5/23/2008 10:26 PM
Post by: Maine Man on May 23, 2008, 10:29:18 PM
I don't know why Hammer put up the info for the CT cover if they don't have it on any current ball. My only guess is that it was overlooked when the ball list was updated.
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Post by: charlest on May 23, 2008, 10:34:09 PM
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charlest, I would have thought the same thing about the Blue Vibe. My Blue Vibe was just insane. It's a midlane monster, and I have a hard time finding a long enough oil pattern to use it on consistently. I find myself using my Cherry Vibe on your THS, Viper, and Scorpion.
Even with your rev rate, this makes me think it is just what Hammer says it is.
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I don't know why Hammer put up the info for the CT cover if they don't have it on any current ball. My only guess is that it was overlooked when the ball list was updated.
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I just don't know. I don't doubt you. The BV's reaction makes me think otherwise. Please don't tell me this is another ball I have to test, especially now that it's being discontinued.
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Post by: Maine Man on May 23, 2008, 10:39:23 PM
What I do know, though, is that these so-called "mid level" balls that Hammer produces blow the doors off of the Widows (I can't say the No Mercy's because that ball is a beast). The cover on the Blue Vibe is very verstile to changes, and the Cherry is the same way. If you get a chance to pick one up before they're gone, go for it!!
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Post by: charlest on May 23, 2008, 10:42:32 PM
I just did. For $87 (& $40 to drill it), how can you go wrong with such a ball. I just ordered one from Buddies.
I'm sure glad I don't lock myself into one company. This is much more fun.
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Post by: Maine Man on May 23, 2008, 10:45:18 PM
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Maine,
I just did. For $87 (& $40 to drill it), how can you go wrong with such a ball. I just ordered one from Buddies.
I'm sure glad I don't lock myself into one company. This is much more fun.
I agree about not locking into one company charlest (you can probably see that from my profile), it allows me to obtain a very objective and informative opinion about the tendencies of each companies equipment. Good luck with that Vibe, you won't be disappointed, especially for that price!!
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Post by: Gazoo on May 24, 2008, 09:23:59 AM
Post by: stringer on May 24, 2008, 01:23:28 PM
Post by: charlest on May 24, 2008, 01:29:17 PM
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charlest, are you going to have buddies drill it? Anyone have any experience with buddies drilling service too share?
No, I use my own driller.
I have heard they do a very good job, IF you give them the right specs.
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Post by: DP3 on May 24, 2008, 01:31:45 PM
Call it whatever coverstock you want, pearl, particle, CT, Reactive..... it just rolls well.
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Post by: stringer on May 24, 2008, 01:39:39 PM
Post by: crusher267658 on May 24, 2008, 02:12:08 PM
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Post by: charlest on May 24, 2008, 07:32:24 PM
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If you do get a Blue Vibe. Dull the sucker!
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Why do you say that?
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Post by: TDC57 on May 24, 2008, 10:13:47 PM
(This is an e-mail I made to Hammer bowling and the follow-up from the company.)
Hi,
On the Ball Reviews website there has been a lot of discussion on the Blue Vibe and its versatility. Many claim that when the surface is taken down it can be used on much heavier patterns than what it's intended for.
The question nobody can agree on is whether it's a solid ball or pearlized. I have an older one and it has no phasing or pearl look at all. I also just picked up a newer model and it definitely looks like a pearl. It's a great ball but which one is it? Thanks for your time.
Hi,
Thanks for your question about Hammer product. Despite its appearance, the Blue Vibe uses a solid reactive coverstock. Thanks for your support!
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Jesse James
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jjames@hammerbowling.com
Post by: charlest on May 24, 2008, 10:25:01 PM
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Post by: Maine Man on May 24, 2008, 10:26:04 PM
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Post by: TDC57 on May 25, 2008, 12:42:56 AM
Post by: chitown on May 26, 2008, 05:57:32 PM
In it's box surface the BV will skate on longer, heavier oil. I've been on longer heavier patterns where my box surface BV would just skate right thru the break point and hardly hook. However, when dulled to a lower grit, the ball is an entirely different animal! The BV can handle longer heavier oil with ease when dulled to a lower grit.
Charlest, I had 2 BV's drilled identical. Both balls had the pin above the bridge 5.5" from pap, CG kicked right close to 1oz and no balance holes. The only difference between the two balls were the cover preps. One of my BV's was box and the other was 1000 grit. Night and day difference when it came to oil handling. Just amazing how much stronger the dull vibe was on heavier oil.
Aside from it's versatility, the BV also packs a punch. The ball carry's really well! Even dulled the ball doesn't seem to lose energy as the lanes break down like some of the other duller surface bowling balls.
Reaction: The BV reminds me a lot of the NM (original) in that it's strong in the mid-lane but has tremendous recovery on the back end. The reaction is a cross between flip and arc which reminds me of the NM and BWS.
Charlest, the BV is one of the best ball purchases i've ever made. It's a shame this ball is being discontinued! It's a shame I didn't try this ball when it first came out!