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Equipment Boards => Hammer => Topic started by: Blackphantom1985 on March 21, 2008, 06:50:35 AM

Title: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on March 21, 2008, 06:50:35 AM: I hate this freaking ball with a passion im using it as a paper weight right now about to go in the trash. was good for 4 months than nothing.. i know what your thinking clean it resurface it and it be good as new.. not so I had a hammer amature member resurface throw the ball sand it down polish it up we tried everything you could think of we cant get the ball to hook at all it skates right at the 6 pin.. Just my lil rant

Edited on 3/21/2008 2:54 PM
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: 700Virgin on March 21, 2008, 02:53:02 PM: Trade ya for a Scorchin Inferno or an Absolute Inferno??
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: NicholasE on March 21, 2008, 02:53:56 PM: quote:
i know what your thinking clean it resurface it and it be good as new..

No, I was thinking along the lines of you sending it to me! For free of course because I'm doing you a favor by taking that piece off your hands!
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Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on March 21, 2008, 02:56:43 PM: ya might end out selling to someone on here or giving the damn thing away shawn wants to try one more thing to it tonight it it doesnt work its going on the mantle or a 10 pin ball lol
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on March 21, 2008, 03:05:50 PM: I'm throwing it on regular house shots the bw isnt hooking yet i pick up a pancake core ball my tornado or my cherry vibe and out hook the bw all day long. I clean it after each use and extract the oil after everynight of bowling. So it wasnt miss treated.. think im gonna try a new brand of bowling balls a brunswick or columbia
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: ye3hawp0ny on March 21, 2008, 03:07:39 PM: probably get the same results if u go with columbia because both hammer and and columbia are under ebo's sponge covers
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on March 21, 2008, 03:08:30 PM: then might have to try that cell alot are talking about or a twisted fury
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: NicholasE on March 21, 2008, 03:13:23 PM: quote:
then might have to try that cell alot are talking about or a twisted fury

You'll be disapointed with the TF more then likely. Its a great ball don't get me wrong but its not what I would consider a hook monster. I've only seen one guy make that ball cover a decent amount of boards but thats with him throwing 16MPH with about 400RPM on revs with a skid/flip layout. I'm getting one in today that has a very stong layout for me thats close to my TSA which is my hardest hooking ball, so I'll find out for sure this weekend on the ball but so far from what I've seen and thrown of it, it hasn't been a ball that I look at and go...wow that thing hooks. But it looks killer going down the lane!
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Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: tfav44 on March 21, 2008, 03:14:37 PM: yet another story of a ebonite-hammer cover, wearing out after a few months they are developing a rep. the pro shop owner at the house i bowl at just dumped his arsenal of hammer ebonite for the same reason. and this guy is maticulus with equipment. he got rid of a no mercy,bwsolid, and a raid. all died.
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Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on March 21, 2008, 03:16:16 PM: im usually a fan my tnv is still going and i like my track stuff but idk what the hell happened to this bws the proshop owner doesnt even know what the hell to think
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: NicholasE on March 21, 2008, 03:20:43 PM: did it ever hook at sometime?
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Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on March 21, 2008, 03:24:30 PM: it use to hook like crazy when i first got the ball i loved it i could cover 10 boards easy hell now on the rare occasion it hits the pocket it leaving 5 10 splits or 8 10 splits all the time.. Ive tried to contact hammer but no response
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: NicholasE on March 21, 2008, 03:26:45 PM: Yeah sounds like a rare case of something being a dud, I mean the BWS was the most selling ball of like ever seems like. Everyone has one at our house just about. I don't because Im not a big fan of Ebo stuff because they all have the skid flip reactions which is not desirable for anything other then a house shot for me.
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Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: NicholasE on March 21, 2008, 03:31:29 PM: This reminds me of my Dyno Thane Threshold. That ball wasn't really strong to start off with but it would cover some ground. Then after time it just pretty much died. I could use it up the 1st arrow and it worked great like that, then one day i gave it a bath and it started hooking alot again but I hated it then, I like it the other way! So I just sold it.
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Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Gazoo on March 21, 2008, 03:38:20 PM: What grit do you have this ball at, and how do you extract oil after every night of bowling.
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on March 21, 2008, 03:48:10 PM: Its at 1000 right now and I use a heater to extract the oil take a crap load out.
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: NicholasE on March 21, 2008, 04:02:08 PM: quote:
Its at 1000 right now and I use a heater to extract the oil take a crap load out.

If your putting too much heat on it, you can be draining plastizers (sp??) out of the ball which in fact will kill the ball. The max heat that a ball can handle is 140 degrees. Anymore will kill the ball. Assuming that its just a heater it probably doesn't have a thermometer to tell you what temp the heat coming out of it is. That is probably the whole problem.
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Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Gazoo on March 21, 2008, 04:04:52 PM: Try this before you throw the ball in the trash. Since your Tornado is hooking alot there is a lighter volume of oil and at 1000 grit the ball is probably burning up and hurting hookability(is that a word). If all the oil is out, start with 500 grit abralon, then 1000 grit, 2000 grit, and finally 4000 grit which is factory box(wet sand). The 4000 grit surface should give you more pop on the backend on this lighter oil pattern although this ball is designed for more oil than your Tornado and Cherry Vibe. P.S. You should only do a oil extraction about every 30-50 games depending on how much oil you bowl on. Good Luck!

Edited on 3/21/2008 4:07 PM
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Gazoo on March 21, 2008, 04:09:32 PM: quote:
It may be too late for trying anything with the surface to bring it back to life. If he's drained the plasticizers out of the coverstock then the ball is toast. It sounds to me like he was using it at higher then 140 degrees. Even on low heat, most portable heaters get pretty damn hot and I wouldn't doubt that this is why the ball has lost reaction.

Sad, but possibly true.
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Blackphantom1985 on March 21, 2008, 04:21:00 PM: I dont think the heater gets that hot i found a saloon heather that your head goes under well after modify it i set a ball in there and turn it on it hasnt effected any of my other balls.. before that i was using a blow drier
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Kid Jete on March 21, 2008, 04:33:36 PM: quote:
I dont think the heater gets that hot i found a saloon heather that your head goes under well after modify it i set a ball in there and turn it on it hasnt effected any of my other balls.. before that i was using a blow drier

Most blow driers can get over 140 on high, the salon drier shouldn't though.
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Gazoo on March 21, 2008, 04:40:44 PM: BP1985,
Take the cover up to 4000 grit and try it before you give up. The hot water bath method is safe and effective.
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: chitown on March 21, 2008, 05:07:05 PM: I would bring the cover down to 360 grit. Place the ball in a bucket and put it under your bath tub faucet. Turn on the hot water and let in run into the bucket and over the top into the drain. Keep the water running until your hot water from the tank get's cold.

You may have to repeat the process a couple times to really get the oil out. I have yet to see the HOT WATER BATH not work!

The HOT WATER BATH process works really good using the bath tub faucet. The oil will come out of the ball, float to the top and over the bucket. Keeping the water going allows the oil to float out of the bucket and into the drain. I have found this works the best. Keeping the water running over the top of the bucket seems to not allow any oil to mix with the water in the bucket because new water is constantly running into and out of the bucket. This process pretty much eliminates any chance of the oil being absorbed back into the ball.
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: Mr Hurt24 on March 22, 2008, 10:09:31 AM: I did what chitown mentioned when my BWS died and i tell yuo mines was dead...I took some time. I got it rejuvnated first and then did the Hot water bath process and resurfaced it and brought it up to 3000... the pro shop buy hit the with 1000 and then 2000 and now the ball is hooking like the first day I had it..
Title: Re: BW SOLID HATE IT
Post by: micbowl on March 22, 2008, 02:27:23 PM: Get the Cell. It is a very strong ball and carries great. It definitely needs oil or it will burn up too quickly. It will out hook your the BW by 7-10 boards. I have both ball. Regarding your BW what is the pin distance? The reason I'm asking is because I have a friend who had the same problem. He complained that it didn't hook much for him and all it is good for is for ten pins. I looked at his ball and saw that the pin was only 1 inch. I know most experts states that pin distance distance does not matter but I believe it does. My pro's opinion is that pin distance doesnt matter but he prefers 3-4 over shorter pin. So that means he really feels that it does matter and that he just expressing the opinions of the manufacturers who just want to get rid of their balls whether their pro pin or short pins.