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Title: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: Bar5003 on March 29, 2007, 11:29:13 AM
Specs are 15lb 3 oz 3-4 pin and 3 oz of top...cg is out of line to the left about 1 1/2"-2"

Going with Layout #1 will put the CG in or above my middle finger...may or may not be a problem

I will be double Checking the weights of course before Drilling so it may not be an issue after all but what have you guys done when you ran into this with your No Mercy's

Any Suggestions on what to do or another layout?
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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: BowlerKidR on March 29, 2007, 07:32:54 PM
On the No Mercy's out of line is/can be a good thing...all depending on which side it is out of line to. Being a righty, a CG out of line to the right allows for more aggressive drills, where out of line to the left depending ont he severiety, could limit strength of drillings. Post a pic of the Pin-Cg-MB

Just remember, negative weight in a No Mercy is a good thing.
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Edited on 3/29/2007 7:33 PM
Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: Bar5003 on March 29, 2007, 07:39:27 PM
There ya go!

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5098518

I WISH it was shifted to the right...
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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: chitown on March 29, 2007, 11:44:00 PM
You could always drill the middle finger deeper to get the negative statics legal.  You could also drill an X-HOLE on the negative side of the ball.

After looking at the pic, I would suggest having someone check to make sure the CG is not mis marked.  If it's not then get it replaced or use an x-hole on the nagative side.  

If your a right handed bowler this may be a problem if your looking to put the HART in the aggressive position (left of thumb).
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Edited on 3/29/2007 11:45 PM
Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: Xfest on March 29, 2007, 11:46:01 PM
Just drill it up with the Recommended drilling #1. CGNOMADDAH
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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: chitown on March 29, 2007, 11:47:41 PM
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Just drill it up with the Recommended drilling #1. CGNOMADDAH
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It does matter because he can't have over 1oz of negative.  That's why he may need to drill the middle finger deep or use an X-hole to get the HART left of the thumb.
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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: Xfest on March 29, 2007, 11:49:22 PM
Everything is possible to make something legal.

X-hole's, drilling the fingers to china, drilling the thumb to china, doing whatever. His pro shop guy should know how to fix it.
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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: hammermike2000 on March 29, 2007, 11:54:07 PM
Putting it simply: Yeah, those things would work, but having the pin-cg-mb in line would make it a lot easier.
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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: anotherwindup on March 30, 2007, 06:44:24 AM
quote:
Just drill it up with the Recommended drilling #1. CGNOMADDAH
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Except on a NM.   Read the drilling #1.  How you gonna keep the CG within 1" of the CofG, have that Hart in the track, and have a 4.5+" pin to PAP???


Have you drilled or thrown the NM?   CGMADDAALOT.
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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: anotherwindup on March 30, 2007, 06:46:42 AM
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There ya go!

http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=5098518

I WISH it was shifted to the right...
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WOW, I don't know if I have ever seen one with the HART that far over by the Hammer logo.  

Where did you purchase this ball?    

I actually am tempted to say that possibly the HART was mismarked and not the CG.   You would have to do some measuring, weighing, and use a determinator to find out.  

OR, you could just return it to your local pro shop where you purchased it and exchange it.   They would be able to return it to the distributor.  


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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: Bar5003 on March 30, 2007, 06:49:48 AM
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Putting it simply: Yeah, those things would work, but having the pin-cg-mb in line would make it a lot easier.
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Agreed...and i agree with everything posted above, and like i said in my first post i will be double checking the weights and it may not be an issue after all...i could very easily go with one of the smooth arc layouts to avoid this issue all together, but i have seen a few locally like that and im not looking for that type of reaction SO looks like we may be drilling the middle finger to China!

I have also seen weight holes just above the middle finger  so we could do something like that...my ball flares away from my fingers pretty good (PAP is 3/4 UP) so it could work as long as it doesnt alter my track...

I won the ball in ALLSTARJOE's Raffle so for 15 bucks i can't complain..."winners" cant be choosers right
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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: Bar5003 on March 30, 2007, 06:53:13 AM
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You would have to do some measuring, weighing, and use a determinator to find out.  




Thats a good idea...we will throw it on the determinator to find its "happy spot" and we can go from there...thanks Jason!
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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: chitown on March 30, 2007, 08:19:46 AM
Just make sure your pin to pap is 4.5" or longer if your going to use the #1 layout.  I know a few bowlers that didn't like there NM's but each had their pin to pap less than 4".  This ball is too strong to have close pin to pap's.

This ball is flat out awesome if drilled right for your game.
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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: DanR on March 30, 2007, 02:48:54 PM
Place the PIN above your RING finger and turn the ball so the HART is about 2" left of thumb hole. The will have neg. side weight but that won't matter much.
Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: Monster Stitch on March 30, 2007, 02:51:41 PM
IF any one has a determinator find the correct CG and HART spot.

Worse comes to worse, contact Hammer and tell them what you have.

You can send them that one and get a good one. I think a few people have

done this.
Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: Matt Fortney on March 30, 2007, 03:14:11 PM
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Place the PIN above your RING finger and turn the ball so the HART is about 2" left of thumb hole. The will have neg. side weight but that won't matter much.


negative side weight will matter if it's more than 1 oz... and i'm sure there would be with 3 oz of top weight...where would you put a weight hole on that side of the ball?

contacting hammer is probably your best bet. assuming that everything is marked correctly anyway...

Matt

Edited on 3/30/2007 3:13 PM
Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: charlest on March 30, 2007, 03:53:16 PM
Simple solution: Sell it to a lefty.
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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: Bar5003 on March 31, 2007, 10:14:13 AM
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Simple solution: Sell it to a lefty.
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You may be on to something there charlest
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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: scotts33 on March 31, 2007, 12:37:10 PM
charlest is exactly right I had one way out of line.  Two things I should have done.......sell it to a lefty put my HART lower away from my thumb.  Hated mine.  My fault.
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Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: DanR on March 31, 2007, 02:39:50 PM
Jonathan Ng, using the determinator will not show you the position of the HART. Determinator will mark a spot on the other side of the ball.
Nothing wrong with the ball if the pro shop has any clue.  Besides maybe the person purchased the ball from the internet, if he had purchase the ball from a pro shop they would not give him a ball like the one he has.
Title: Re: CG Way out of line on my NIB No Mercy...what layout?
Post by: Bar5003 on March 31, 2007, 02:48:53 PM
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Jonathan Ng, using the determinator will not show you the position of the HART. Determinator will mark a spot on the other side of the ball.
Nothing wrong with the ball if the pro shop has any clue.  Besides maybe the person purchased the ball from the internet, if he had purchase the ball from a pro shop they would not give him a ball like the one he has.


FYI i did go to purchase one from my pro shop and he had the same thing come in with the one he got cg swung out way to the left...he offered to get another in but i decided to drill up a NV instead...i get great service from my pro shop, and YES he has a clue!

I did not "purchase" this ball online, i won it in one of Joe's raffles, nowhere in this post did i complain about it...i was just asking for opinions and looking for instances where this has happened before

THIS PERSON knows anything coming from the internet is a gamble...

THIS PERSON is also locking this topic as he has found the answers he is looking for, and wants this to go NO further...
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