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Equipment Boards => Hammer => Topic started by: imjouster on December 25, 2013, 06:47:00 PM

Title: Compare the vibes to....
Post by: imjouster on December 25, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
Each other!

Just trying to decide if either of the two newer vibes would work for my dad and the dry lanes he keeps encountering.  I've rolled the blue and emerald vibes.  So if anyone has rolled all 4 or even 3 of the 4 I'd love to hear what your opinions are between the 4 vibes I list below.

Blue, Emerald, Grape, Cobalt.

Also I think my proshop guy might be able to still get a Midnight vibe, so we can throw that into the list as well.  Greatly appreciate any help.  And Merry Christmas :)
Title: Re: Compare the vibes to....
Post by: TWOHAND834 on December 26, 2013, 07:17:51 AM
Each other!

Just trying to decide if either of the two newer vibes would work for my dad and the dry lanes he keeps encountering.  I've rolled the blue and emerald vibes.  So if anyone has rolled all 4 or even 3 of the 4 I'd love to hear what your opinions are between the 4 vibes I list below.

Blue, Emerald, Grape, Cobalt.

Also I think my proshop guy might be able to still get a Midnight vibe, so we can throw that into the list as well.  Greatly appreciate any help.  And Merry Christmas :)

Couple questions.  First is.....what is he using now?  Second one........Does he struggle getting the ball through the front part of the lane or is it more controlling the backend?
Title: Re: Compare the vibes to....
Post by: Hoselrockets on December 26, 2013, 10:31:46 AM
I really wouldn't consider any of the Vibes a dry lane ball.  Unless you put pin on axis or something.  I would look in a different direction if your father is in need of a dry lane ball.
Title: Re: Compare the vibes to....
Post by: stc067 on December 26, 2013, 10:47:39 AM
I really wouldn't consider any of the Vibes a dry lane ball.  Unless you put pin on axis or something.  I would look in a different direction if your father is in need of a dry lane ball.

I agree, if you want a reactive resin ball for dry lanes, I would suggest a 900 Global Desert Hook. It has a weak core/cover combo, and it is easy to control, not snappy at all.
Title: Re: Compare the vibes to....
Post by: Dave81644 on December 26, 2013, 04:28:28 PM
newer freeze line is what we use for the dry lanes here
old wood lanes, very little oil.
In fact, last year I drilled up a taboo spare ball cause they were that dry.
freeze this year does the trick, not to expensive either
Title: Re: Compare the vibes to....
Post by: imjouster on December 27, 2013, 12:39:53 AM
Well currently he has a BVP Wizard... which he tried shining up but didn't do the job.  He has a Storm Reign, Raw Hammer Psycho, and a Columbia Wrath SF which is an old ball of mine,  I thought it'd work perfect for him but it just rolls too early for him. 

And to answer your 2nd question twohand he's having problems with the ball rolling too early for him and then having no energy left when it hits the pins, with the exception of his reign which is just too strong on the backend for him to control.  He's probably 15.5 mph lower revs... probably around 250 RPM.

When I say the lanes are dry they really aren't crazy dry.  I would have no problem going out there on that shot and playing with my hyroad, or reign.  But I have a higher ball speed to get through the heads and a high enough rev count to get it to still pop on the backend. 

My thought with a vibe of some sort...(probably pearlized) is it'll give him something that will get down the lane further but still give him a decent pop on the backend so he can carry out the corners. 

I'm also thinking about getting a cobalt for myself to fit between my hyroad and Green Gargoyle.  I've rolled my buddies Blue Vibe and the thing is almost identical to my hyroad in the way it rolls.  So if the cobalt is any stronger or about the same strength as the Blue Vibe then I'll pass on it,  If it is considerably lengthier and a bit weaker overall then I'll go ahead and pick one up.

If you have any other questions for me to answer lemme know.  I tried to cover everything I could think of but I'm a little intoxicated at the moment ;)
Title: Re: Compare the vibes to....
Post by: Hoselrockets on December 27, 2013, 09:43:21 AM
I would try to find a shop in the area that will watch your dad throw some shots.  I believe there is a good range of balls out there for him to chose from but drilling is going to be the key.  That is where I would start.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Compare the vibes to....
Post by: Dave81644 on December 28, 2013, 07:39:33 PM
+1 for Hosel..
the only way to get the correct piece in your hand is to do as suggested above.
without that, you will be guessing
Title: Re: Compare the vibes to....
Post by: charlest on December 29, 2013, 07:16:58 AM
Besides having the driller watch him throw the ball, as has been suggested,
What surface is on that Wrath SF?
Stock polish?
It got pretty good length and was for medium-light to medium oil as are most Vibes. If he can't get it through the heads, I doubt if he will get any Vibes through the heads either.

First, I'd make sure one ball is highly polished, like sanded to 4000 and then firmly polished with something like Storm's Xtra Shine, Brunswick's High Gloss, Powerhouse Factory Finish, Valentino's Snake Oil, etc.

I also wonder if that ball speed, 15.5, is at the release point,not the backend. Around here on AMF/Qubica machines (measured at the pin deck), 15.5 is pretty firm speed.

He may need either a lighter ball, or a really mild ball, like Tropical Breeze, Strike King, Ascent Pearl or Scream.
Title: Re: Compare the vibes to....
Post by: imjouster on December 30, 2013, 02:59:05 AM
Charlest, The Wrath SF if I had to guess is around 4000 abralon.  As I said originally, it was my ball originally, but I never had much success with it so I gave it to him to see if it would work any better, I don't remember what I did to the surface of the ball, if anything at all.  But now that it is drilled for him (proshop operator says he didn't change the surface of the ball) It seems a lot duller than I ever remember it being.  It doesn't even look polished.  I had suggested that we hit that ball with some snake oil and see what happens but the problem with that is he is having a lot of success with that ball in another league.  So we don't really want to change the surface of that one if we can avoid it.  And the 15.5 mph is at 45 feet on the Qubica/AMF scorers that I'm going off of.  I know some are at the pin deck, the speed sensors for this system are up by the camera that looks at the pins.
Title: Re: Compare the vibes to....
Post by: charlest on December 30, 2013, 08:37:08 AM
Charlest, The Wrath SF if I had to guess is around 4000 abralon.  As I said originally, it was my ball originally, but I never had much success with it so I gave it to him to see if it would work any better, I don't remember what I did to the surface of the ball, if anything at all.  But now that it is drilled for him (proshop operator says he didn't change the surface of the ball) It seems a lot duller than I ever remember it being.  It doesn't even look polished.  I had suggested that we hit that ball with some snake oil and see what happens but the problem with that is he is having a lot of success with that ball in another league.  So we don't really want to change the surface of that one if we can avoid it.  And the 15.5 mph is at 45 feet on the Qubica/AMF scorers that I'm going off of.  I know some are at the pin deck, the speed sensors for this system are up by the camera that looks at the pins.

AS I said before, 15.5 on Qubica is not slow at all.

If the Wrath is working that well for him dull, then a polished equivalent should help in this league. I suspect a Grape Vibe (less backend than the Cobalt) or Freeze Hybrid or Pearl could be a safe choice for him.  You might want a slightly longer pin-PAP than is used on his Wrath.
Title: Re: Compare the vibes to....
Post by: rkj4243 on December 31, 2013, 09:22:36 AM
Another option for him to keep it in the same brand as the Wrath would be the Columbia Eruption Pro. It is a polished solid cover ball, with lowered differential, and is a very smooth rolling ball even on second shift leagues.