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Equipment Boards => Hammer => Topic started by: Traumabill on August 01, 2007, 06:38:27 AM

Title: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: Traumabill on August 01, 2007, 06:38:27 AM: Guys,

What in the current line would you consider the benchmark ball to be?

I'm looking for something similiar to a High Rev in reaction shape and oil ability. I've seen Widows & Mercys and would not consider them to be benchmark balls, but a step up from benchmark. Does the Anger or the Beat'n fit this, or are they too strong? By the same token the Widow Pearl and Toxic/Doom are too angular...

Thanks for the help,

Bill
Bowling Services Unlimited
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Vise Inserts Staff
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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: Long Roller on August 01, 2007, 02:43:31 PM: I would think that an anger with a longer Pin to pap would be just what the doctor ordered.
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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: bluerrpilot on August 01, 2007, 03:43:07 PM: My Blue Vibe is my benchmark ball. It is very smooth and predictable on just about any condition. And it doesnt flare alot.
Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: MVbowler on August 01, 2007, 07:21:27 PM: my doom is my benchmark. its very smooth and consistant in its roll
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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: Leonidas on August 02, 2007, 03:37:01 AM: Doom without a doubt. Smooth rolling and predictable ball.
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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: ShermDawg on August 02, 2007, 04:48:14 AM: Blue Vibe hands down...

in a close second my Doom
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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: charlest on August 02, 2007, 10:15:38 AM: quote:
Blue Vibe hands down...

in a close second my Doom
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Mason Sherman
Hammer Regional Staff
Turbo 2-In-1 Grips Regional Staff
"Nothing Hits Like A Hammer."

The Vibes don't handle enough oil to be considered a treu benchmark ball. A benchmark ball should be able to handle true medium oil.
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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: Goof1073 on August 02, 2007, 10:29:17 AM: Wouldn't a Pain drilled semi-weak and say a 4000 Abralon finish work as a benchmark ball?
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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: bluerrpilot on August 03, 2007, 08:23:12 PM: quote:

The Vibes don't handle enough oil to be considered a treu benchmark ball. A benchmark ball should be able to handle true medium oil.

I dont agree with that. A true benchmark ball should be able to consitantly read the lane and find the oil lines no matter what condition is out there.
Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: charlest on August 03, 2007, 08:55:32 PM: quote:
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The Vibes don't handle enough oil to be considered a treu benchmark ball. A benchmark ball should be able to handle true medium oil.

I dont agree with that. A true benchmark ball should be able to consitantly read the lane and find the oil lines no matter what condition is out there.

"no matter what condition is out there"????
No such ball ever did or ever will exist. That is not what a benchmark ball is.
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Edited on 8/3/2007 8:56 PM
Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: strikingresults-atl on August 03, 2007, 09:10:23 PM: A bench mark ball is a ball that allows you to read the lane.Its your ball that is the most preditable.In that case i would choose a blue vibe.Blue vibes can handle more oil than you think.
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Dannial Cohen
Ebonite Regional staffer/turbo
Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: charlest on August 03, 2007, 09:16:20 PM: quote:
A bench mark ball is a ball that allows you to read the lane.Its your ball that is the most preditable.In that case i would choose a blue vibe.Blue vibes can handle more oil than you think.
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Dannial Cohen
Ebonite Regional staffer/turbo

If you have a lot of revs, maybe, just barely maybe, but I still cannot see how you could call it Hammer's benchmark ball.
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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on August 03, 2007, 09:41:58 PM: quote:
Guys,

What in the current line would you consider the benchmark ball to be?

I'm looking for something similiar to a High Rev in reaction shape and oil ability.

Why not just pick up a High Rev then? www.bowlingballmall.com or look on eBay I just picked one up for $70.
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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: TWOHAND834 on August 03, 2007, 09:55:20 PM: I dont know. But when a staff member that knows his stuff speaks his mind about a ball he knows quite a bit about, I tend to listen and believe what they say. The Blue Vibe IS stronger than most people think.
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Steven Vance
Former Pro Shop Operator

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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: BallsDeep on August 03, 2007, 10:18:05 PM: They don't really have a true benchmark ball. I personally find that a benchmark ball is something that handles medium oil and has a smoother reaction. Thus, it is subjective based on revs, ball speed, tilt, one's pap, etc. You could call the blue vibe a benchmark ball if you have slower ball speed, and a higher rev rate. The widow could be a benchmark ball if you have the opposite. The doom is the closest as far as oil handleing capability for most, but I find it a bit too skid snappy to fit the bill for what I would want (sorry chitown ).

My benchmark ball is now the overtime, taken to a higher finish (box + rough buff, then hit lightly with a grey pad).
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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: charlest on August 04, 2007, 10:35:16 AM: quote:
I dont know. But when a staff member that knows his stuff speaks his mind about a ball he knows quite a bit about, I tend to listen and believe what they say. The Blue Vibe IS stronger than most people think.
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Steven Vance
Former Pro Shop Operator

If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!

Oh, ye of too much faith ....

I respect his opinion, Steve, and I also respect mine.
I value his knowledge, but I also value my experience.

My Pure Burgundy Hammer had the EXACT same traits, in my opinion, that he says his Blue Vibe has for him. Both enable one to get a good read of the lane; both are very even reacting. Both of which are part of the definition of a benchmark ball, but, in my opinion neither ball will handle the medium-light to medium-heavy range that is required by the general definition of a "Benchmark ball".

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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: strikingresults-atl on August 04, 2007, 01:41:16 PM: That is the great thing about this forum that everybody has an opinion.I have never drilled one for my self since i am on staff with ebonite.I have drilled many blue vibes for alot of my customers and they work very well.I will say the only people that it's not a bench mark ball is the low rev rate player or for high ball speed and lower rev rates.So when we are talking about a true bench mark ball when have to consider ball speed,rev rate,axis rotation, axis tilt, and lane condition.Not disagreeing with charlest but have seen certain bowlers use this as a bechmark ball and work very well.Charlest i can also see where it might not be ideal.You could make an anger or black widow a benchmark also.

Good Luck Guys for your benchmark ball hopefully some of the info given will help you find your hammer benchmark ball.
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Dannial Cohen
Ebonite Regional staffer/turbo
Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: bluerrpilot on August 04, 2007, 01:41:44 PM: I guess everbody has a different definition of what "Benchmark Ball" means. For me, my Blue Vibe doesnt over react when it hits dry, and it doesnt fall off the lane when it see oil. The most important thing is I can let that ball "read" the lane. By whatching the ball and it motions, it tells me where the oil stops and starts on the lane. Generally with that ball, I can throw 2-3 shots and tell how far down the oil is and how far out it is....CONSISTANTLY.
Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: BallsDeep on August 04, 2007, 02:40:42 PM: This is a bit of an odd way to think about it, but in some ways ball companies create the definition of benchmark ball. By saying that the blue vibe is a lower end ball and not offering too many releases (other than the cherry vibe as far as the current line) that hook less than the vibe, they seem to push people to adopt styles that allow them to use the blue vibe on drier conditions. If you think back to five or ten years ago, I have to think that there were more people that were playing up the lane, but as equipment has gotten stronger and the big wheel has become envogue, people have moved in and centers are expected to put out more oil, in order for people to use their stronger equipment.

Some bowlers take advantage of layouts and have toxics as their light oil ball, or pains as their flood ball, but in general many people have taylored their game around what the ball companies say that hooks and what they say doesn't.
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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: NathanB on August 04, 2007, 04:25:51 PM: Black Widow Pearl or Toxic
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Title: Re: Current Benchmark Hammer Ball
Post by: NOTAP4ME on August 04, 2007, 08:47:12 PM: I would agree with the Blue Vibe for a benchmark ball. It isnt the most aggressive ball, however as someone stated before, you would be surprised how much oil it can handle.

I shot a Midwest PBA Regional and used this ball to shoot 267 while Pete Weber was a pair over and shot 268. Now Pete can hook the lane a bit more than myself, however I was able to swing a similar line to what he was playing, deep inside and this ball, the Blue Vibe flat out crushed the pins.

Is the Blue Vibe a benchmark ball? All I know is that if I want a predictable ball that gives me a good read of the lanes I use the Blue Vibe.