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Equipment Boards => Hammer => Topic started by: Redline on October 28, 2007, 05:37:14 PM
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I am having trouble getting a good backend reaction from my equipment right now. I even have taken some of my "retired" balls to see if I can get a better reaction on the backends...but still no luck.
Right now I am using a Anger w/factory finish polish applied as my "heavy" ball. I liked the midlane read...but I wanted the ball to push a little farther down lane. The ball is still reading properly, but just isn't moving off the dry. I have tried moving right...but end up in the traffic area where everyone else is playing and once the shot starts breaking down...I get into trouble.
Instead, I have found staying a little inside and grooving my own spot is working marginally better. I still would like suggestions on what ball I should consider as a possible "true heavy oil" ball.
I haven't had much luck with solid covers and being that most heavy oil balls have solid covers and are quite pricey...I'm very unsure of what I should be looking at whether it be the NM, the Beat'n or a BW solid. In addition to all that, I tend to drill my equipment with weaker layouts to control the reaction from heavy oil to clean backends. So this really is uncharted territory for me to be searching for an expensive, strong ball that will probably be drilled stronger than anything I have done before.
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fury?
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http://cgi.ebay.com/15lb-BRUNSWICK-FURY-Bowling-Ball-NIB_W0QQitemZ300165531492QQihZ020QQcategoryZ36105QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
has furies with 0-2 inch pins 70 dollar buy it now, 25 dollar shipping, you can even have it drilled for 35 dollars so thats a total of 130, not too shabby in my opinion.
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Use a matte ball surface. The Anger should be a good base, but for an oil ball, make sure its RG is low and it has some higher differential. Additionally, make sure to have an early rolling setup. 1-2" pin is a good base, place it under the fingers and swing the CG out towards the PAP (will need a balance hole). If THIS does not move on oil, nothing will.
Besides, a particle ball can also enhance early traction, just like others suggested. Anyway, do not expect such a ball to flip or show a big back end move. It has more midlane action and wants to roll - that's what you need on long/heavy oil to make the ball finish at all. Otherwise, it will skip much too long and never build up true forward roll. Heavy oil AND flip are (still) things that do not really go together.
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If you are on a true heavy oil pattern, then you won't see too much backend. You'll want the ball to stay on the lane and move to the pocket. The Anger is designed for more midlane read. If you want a ball that will push down the lane and react more on the backend, then you should get the No Mercy Beat'n.
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Ken - aka "dpunky" - Certified USBC Level I Coach
"Now rolling Hammer and Storm"
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The few times I see heavy oil I use my No Mercy with the cover taken to 1000. Works for me but I don't see it that much and the ball is mostly in the bag.
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az guy aka: R & L Bowlers Pro
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I second the No Mercy option. Or even the beat'n if you want it to get a little more length. I've got mine at 1000 abralon, and I havnen't found oil I can't throw it on.
Matt
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thanks for the info thus far!
Here's some more info:
Re: D Pat-I don't need the ball to push in heavy oil, I just need the backend recovery. The Anger I currently have still manages to read, but once it gets to the backend, it runs out of room to turn. I need about 3-5 boards of additional backend move and I'd be good. Right now I am standing more right and looking for left (sacrificing entry angle) to get to the pocket.
As to why I don't change the surface...I just polished it up and like the reaction on everything else-so I am hesitant to undo the changes that I've done.
Re: Everyone else-I guess the term "heavy oil" is a loose term here. As I mentioned above...I mainly need the recovery in the backend. Normally I drill up 5.5 in pin to pap layouts. I'm thinking the Beat'n may be what I need because of its supposed backend strength.
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Backend on heavy oil isn't usually going to happen. However, if the backends are very, very clean, sometimes going with a more skid-flip ball is a better choice. It will have the energy to turn the corner in the limited lane space available. What about something like a Paradigm Domination? I'm thinking of Pete Weber playing deep inside on the Shark pattern last year, where the Domination could really peel off the spot and get him more angle than a rollier ball would.
You probably couldn't swing the ball a lot in that situation, I don't think you'll be able to play fifth arrow out to 5 on anything that really qualifies as heavy oil. But it might get you the backend you want.
SH
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Get you a Rising by Track........This ball will flat out hook on oil, I used it in a tournament this weekend with about 120 plus units and it hooked like there was no oil out there at all. First 3 games out....255, 246, 277, 3rd game let the ball go just a little to far out. Ball retains energy very good.
Go Track, back on the map..........
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I'd agree with leftyinaloha about the NS2. Also, I had an Anger and the BTM rating is 48 for total hook.....it rolls early at 1000 but is not a heavier oil ball IMO. I'd think for heavier oil I'd want something rated 50 in BTM for total hook or above.
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Scott
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That's the thing..."heavy oil" is kind of vague.
All I know about the shot is that the heads are flooded. The pattern is about 40ft and there's more oil than "usual".
My polished equipment still reads the backend of the lane...but because of the excess oil...there's just not enough time for recovery. My equipment still makes the turn but either comes in light or leaves a washout.
As mentioned...I need something that recovers an extra 3-5 boards on the backend. I don't necessarily need more midlane read or "hook in oil". That being said...I am pretty sure that particle stuff and really strong covers might not be useable for me. That's why I am already unsure about these Hammer balls I am considering.
In general, this shot is weird. Its made to keep everyone playing outside of the 7 board in an attempt to keep everything inside fresh for the next shift. I am about the only one who gets any sort of recovery from where I am playing...so I am hoping to take advantage of that. When I move into the traffic everyone occupied by everyone else it tends to lead to a frustrating night.
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If your bowling on a heavy oil shot then you need a duller surface on the ball.
If the pattern is long you want to have your break point close to the pocket and won't need that xtra hook on the back end.
The Anger can handle heavy oil with ease at a lower surface grit. I guarantee that!
If your looking for another ball for the pattern you talk about, then consider another Anger, drilled stronger and the surface brought down to 500 or 1000 grit. I have yet to bring the cover on my Anger down past the 2000 grit oob. It's so strong that 2000 grit seems to be enough for every heavier pattern i've come across.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and give you an idea that goes against the grain. There have been times when i've bowled on a long heavier pattern that had real dry back ends. I used my Toxic on a condition like this with great results. The TOXIC is pearl and get's great length but has a very strong flip reaction when it hits the dry boards down lane. This may be the ball your looking for? I know this sounds strange to use a pearl ball for heavy long oil but think about it this way. On Heavier oil the key is to get a ball to get into it's roll early. This way the ball/core will set up when it hit's the pocket. Certain balls won't have time to set up on the longer patterns and will produce weak pocket hits and or won't hook enough. A skid flip type of ball will set up in the shortest amount of distance. So if your looking for a ball that will turn over and GO, the TOXIC will do that great.
I would also consider using a stronger pin placement with a balance hole. The stronger pin placement will give you more flare and the balance hole will help it rev faster.
So instead of using the 5.5" from your pap got to 4".
I hope this helps.
If you have "strike pass" Take a look at the Dick Weber open from last season. You will see Walter Ray using a Mo Rich Ravage on a 44'pattern. The ball doesn't read the mid-lane at all but flips on the back end. I believe the pattern was stripped as well. This is why I choose a ball that would not read the mid-lane but would react great on the back end. This is the same principle i'm talking about with the TOXIC.
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Now you understand why I love my Toxic. Not many folks liked that ball but if you take the time, adjust the cover until you find the right grit that works for a condition, IMO, there's not many other balls that will give you the length and hard snap like it. I have use a Pain as well and the Toxic has a harder "snap" than the Pain and that's why I keep it, longer oil, more oil or just enjoy watching that Green Monster snap, I know, I'm strange but once you find the right combo, there's always room for the Toxic.
JMO
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chitown-Yah...a duller surface may be in order. I am hoping that a stronger layout on a stronger ball will give me those extra couple boards I need. I am hoping to avoid the process of coverstock tweakings.
I've actually tried the Toxic/Doom and others with a strong backend flip and to an extent they do work. But if any oil gets carried down or my speed is off just a bit-it tends to fly through the breakpoint and leave some nasty washout.
In terms of playing this condition. I've tightened up my angle to the pocket, but it still doesn't recover. Most of the high speed/low rev bowlers use an aggressive ball and throw up around 5-7 and burn up that area. My equipment tends to overreact if I jump in there with them. But like I mentioned previously...I'm sure they are oiling it to keep a certain part of the lanes out of bounds until the next shift, so they have a fresh area. Thus I can't really move in deeper and try and get it to face up at the last second...because I lose all midlane read if I move in past 13 or so.
After looking over some more reviews and what not, I'm pretty sure a NM layout 1 will do the trick for me. I'm waiting on some vids that Matt F. was kind enough to offer and will from there. Again...we are still just talking about a couple boards of backend reaction. If I can enter the pocket with a little stronger reaction I can carry all 10 rather than leaving weak corners or washouts.
Edited on 10/29/2007 5:12 PM
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Update:
The proshop ended up getting more NMBs in stock. I talked it over with the driller and ended up getting that. He had been drilling a lot of these and had a layout that was working well with most bowlers. Ended up with the HART about 1" left of my thumb. The pin 4" from my PAP even with the finger line.
It looks like OOB this ball should do it. Was about a 38ft pattern today, after league. As usual the track area from 7-10 was burnt up. I through it down and in through that area and the ball hooked at 30 ft and went left.
I moved into "no man's land" for and found plenty of oil in the heads around 13 out to the same breakpoint around 7-8. This ball goes LONG. It goes as long as my Toxic (5.5in pin to pap over the bridge) makes a hard turn and kills the pins. I had heard these balls hit heard...they definitely do. I was sending messengers all over the place. On a couple shots messengers hit messengers. I had the 5 going at the 7 only to be deflected out by the headpin coming back. Basically just shrapnel everywhere.
I couldn't tell if I was breaking the shot down or not because the ball just kept responding the same way through 3 games of practice I had.
In general, I think with this ball I have found the extra boards I needed for recovery. Playing the same line as Chitown recommended I found that the Toxic did recover (albeit I had about 4 ft of extra room)...but came in light.
Overall...this ball definitely shows some potential. It's a hell of a ball. I was unsure how this ball would be since I thought the HART needed to be further left...but now I see why some people say that using this ball is like cheating.