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Noy

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DOOM first impressions
« on: April 07, 2006, 10:00:56 PM »
Hello again all, if you didn't already know, I just got/drilled a DOOM, my first ball ever.  This is a GREAT BALL!  Although I have just started working on a shot that didn't involve two finger cranking (thats what i did with a house ball), whenever I got the ball in or even near the pocket, I was bowling spared and strikes.  My average with a house ball using a two finger cranker stroke is about a 130-150, my first game with the DOOM (could only bowl one game due to time issues) I bowled a 114 which isn't high but I am very pleased with.

Im trying to learn how to put spin on the ball using a fingertip grip while using my thumb and I was getting the hang of it.  Because the ally was about the close after our first game, the manager let us bowl for the extra 15 mins that they were open for free.  By then I had already bowled 3 strikes in the game, and I had a Turkey along with a couple other strikes in the 15min extra.

I know that these numbers dont sound all that great, but for a person who has been playing for almost a month, I think they're superb.  This ball hits so hard and breaks very nicely when I am able to give it enough rotation.  Kudos to Hammer for a great ball.  I will continue to update you guys on my progress as a bowler as time progresses.  

Any pointers on how I can give my ball more spin?
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Arsenal:
Doom Raw Hammer
House Ball (spares)
Average: 130-160
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Noy

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Re: DOOM first impressions
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2006, 09:49:32 AM »
Haha, I knew I would get some bad feedback after i mentioned the Agent.  Actually, a lot of folks at my house are very helpful and tend to observe while my friend and I are bowling.  These are the types of folks that are at the alley 24/7.  They've already started to give us tips to better our game...hopefully as we build better relationships with these guys, it'll be a lot easier to ask for advice.
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Bowling Since March 2006

Arsenal:
Doom Raw Hammer
House Ball (spares)
Average: 130-160

See my bowling scores online here:
http://www.allbowling.com/journal/public.php?uid=2038&leagueid=808
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chitown

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Re: DOOM first impressions
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2006, 09:58:20 AM »
Splendorex has giving you some great advice.  You will improve a lot faster with some coaching.  A coach can point out flaws in your game that can be corrected quickly before they become bad habits.

Sawbones is a guy that posts on the misc. section a lot.  He has said many times that he would not allow his son to have more than 1 reactive ball.  He said that before he would allow his son to have a multi ball arsenal he needed to learn to adjust and get better with that 1 ball.  

That is very sound advice.

In fact, a good way to practice over the summer is to use only 1 reactive ball.  Use this ball for every lane condition.  A reactive pearl is the best choice for this because it can handle dry lanes for the most part.  If the lanes have a lot of oil the bowler can learn to adjust by using an end over end release, speed changes ect... .

So just keep your Doom and don't redrill it it.  Label leverage is a good layout.  You can get plenty of power form the Doom with that layout.  If that is not happening and your leaving a lot of 5 pins then you need to change something in your game to get a more powerful release.  Also power does not mean more revs all the time.

I prefer to swing the ball.  There are times when I use the end over end release and play a down and in line.  Even though the end over end has a lot less revs than my A game release it still generates a ton of power at the pins.

So to close this reply get some coaching in stead of buying another ball.  Your getting advice from bowlers that have been there and done that.  It is sound advice that you should consider.
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splendorlex

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Re: DOOM first impressions
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2006, 09:59:45 AM »
Tips are one thing, Noy, but focused lessons are an entirely different animal.  You are at the perfect point to start getting them before you develop really bad habits.  Take that 200 or whatnot you'd spend on the agent, and get yourself a fleet of lessons.  I flat out GUARANTEE that it will make a MUCH larger impact on your game than another ball.  That's what you really want, isn't it?  Besides all of that, IMO (and Chi's), you have one of the best balls going right now.

Edited on 5/10/2006 9:59 AM
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Noy

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Re: DOOM first impressions
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2006, 12:55:09 PM »
Trust me guys, I am taking your advice and have even talked to my friend about splitting the cost to take lessons with Mr. Webb.  My other friend's dad is a 220+ ave bowler and im sure we can take him out as well since he's always bowling.

To clear things up, I myself am not buying the ball.  This is a present from my girlfriend for my bday.  So I say, "free ball? why not?"  I know you guys have a lot more experience than me and i really appreciate your help.  Don't think I'm not taking your advice.

I'll be setting up a bowling blog soon and will start to video tape myself to display my progress online in addition to LESSONS..LOL.

So please, instead of the "lessons" lecture which, i assure you, has been drilled into my head, offer tips on what can be done.

Chi, you mention an "over release," can you provide me with detailed info on what it does?  I'm all about researching and getting every detail right about what I do.
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Bowling Since March 2006

Arsenal:
Doom Raw Hammer
House Ball (spares)
Average: 130-160

See my bowling scores online here:
http://www.allbowling.com/journal/public.php?uid=2038&leagueid=808
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splendorlex

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Re: DOOM first impressions
« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2006, 01:13:53 PM »
Noy,

It's not even about the money.  You actually hurt your game more than help it by having more than one ball right away.  You need to learn the game, and having equipment that acts differently, and having to wonder "do I need to change balls?" will only delay your progress.  Think about it this way:  If you were trying to learn to fly a plane, wouldn't you rather practice in the same plane, with the same control layout, and same characteristics all the time?  I mean, you would think taking a lesson in a cessna one week and in a B52 the next would make it significantly more difficult to absorb the basics.  Believe me, it ain't about whether it's free or not.  Do you have a good pair of bowling shoes?  Maybe have her get you those instead.  
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Noy

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Re: DOOM first impressions
« Reply #51 on: May 10, 2006, 01:56:08 PM »
Haha, touche Splendor, touche.  My shoes are fine and she already bought it.  This is a big thread dont u think?  Splendor, Chi, RedBird, thanks for the tips on bowling lessons and aresenal additions, I think ive had enough of them to last me  the rest of the year.  As I said, lets try to make a change in advice...

When you guys bowl, do u guys drop the ball forward or lay it down close to the wood?  Also, whats better to get lower to the ground, bending my back, or bending my knees?

I've seen bowlers bring the ball above their heads on the back swing, I find this a little hard to do with a free motion swing.  Are these guys using extra muscle to lift the ball back more?
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Bowling Since March 2006

Arsenal:
Doom Raw Hammer
House Ball (spares)
Average: 130-160

See my bowling scores online here:
http://www.allbowling.com/journal/public.php?uid=2038&leagueid=808
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ImaRedbird

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Re: DOOM first impressions
« Reply #52 on: May 10, 2006, 02:00:22 PM »
Where the main reason i can say anything as close to you in my opinion is because i was literally where you are last year. I was just learning to bowl, but if you take a look at my profile, hard work, my coach and constant practicing and my determination made me better.

But The MOST IMPORTANT That I Had To Learn Was I Needed To Stop BEING HARD HEADED AND LISTEN TO WHAT A LOT OF THESE FOLKS ON HERE TOLD ME TO DO! Plain and Simple.

As far as muscling the ball, you're not supposed to do that...or at least that's what i was taught. Some people say that it's ok if u have a high backswing, i don't see the point and that also makes you inaccurate but it's kinda hard to tell u anything when no one knows what you bowl like.
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splendorlex

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Re: DOOM first impressions
« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2006, 02:05:11 PM »
You'll have to forgive me, Noy, but I have no more advice to give.  I sort of have a sore spot, due to circumstances which have nothing to do with you, with people who ask for advice but then "do their own thing" anyhow.  No offense, but I have no more advice that will help you.
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Noy

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Re: DOOM first impressions
« Reply #54 on: May 10, 2006, 04:32:52 PM »
Well then thats fine.  Again, your advice is much appreciated Splendor.

Redbird...im not the hard headed type, I may do things that you dont agree with like buy a new ball, but I also do things that you guys suggest in addition.  Just coz I buy a new ball which is against your guyses advices doesnt mean im not gonna take lessons which is what you guys are harping on.

I guess this thread is very tired and is due for retirement.  I thank everyone who has contributed and hopefully when I start to post vids and such, the constructive criticism will keep coming.
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Bowling Since March 2006

Arsenal:
Doom Raw Hammer
House Ball (spares)
Average: 130-160

See my bowling scores online here:
http://www.allbowling.com/journal/public.php?uid=2038&leagueid=808
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Re: DOOM first impressions
« Reply #55 on: May 10, 2006, 05:00:13 PM »
I can add to this conversation I have had a 150ish average for a year and a half.

I got a coach because I wanted to be a better bowler and it was obvious that I wasn't going to improve on my own anymore. I was as good as I was going to get without help.

It cost $50.00 for the first lesson and now it is $35.00 a lesson. I go once a month. I have improved in release consistency, spare shooting and a lot of the topics covered in this thread. I had a lot of bad habits that had all become muscle memory and I have had to practice a lot to change them.

I placed 4th in a recent tournament in Daly City it was in the handicap division but I still won money.

I think the lessons were worth it

As to building an arsenal. When you go to this site it is hard not to get caught up in the purchasing of new equipment but in the beginning you really don't need to buy a lot of balls. It is really true. You probably don't have to buy a lot of balls ever...but it is fun to get a new ball. :-)

Having said that I have bought two this year because my coach recommended that I go up in weight (I have a tendency to muscle the ball) a solid particle and a pearl reactive both 16lb. I already had a spare ball 14LBS. I wasn't going to buy any equipment this year but, "hey my coach recommended I buy a new ball."

This is all I am going to buy until I get my average to a sustainable 180. I can bowl a good series (and for me that is 550 and up) but I still can't do it every week.

I am going to take advice from this thread and bowl all summer with just one strike ball and learn to make better adjustments to conditions.
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chitown

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Re: DOOM first impressions
« Reply #56 on: May 11, 2006, 03:56:31 PM »
LowRev made some great points.  I'm myself am guilty of buying more balls than I should.  In all reality there is not a need for a new bowler to buy more than two balls until they learn to get better.

I am going to take the one ball approach this summer.  Of course unless I do a tournament.  The 1 ball approach will teach a bowler a lot.  I'm talking about the 1 ball strike ball approach.  I'm not talking about not using your plastic spare ball.

So listen to the advice and get some lessons because they will go a long way.  Then once you find yourself getting a lot better go shopping and have some fun with a new arsenal of 3 or 4 balls.  Just don't waste your money yet.

I hope all of the advice from everyone helps you outr.  Good luck!
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