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Title: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: FastTracker33 on December 05, 2006, 12:28:16 PM
Subject says it here. The PIN CG and HART are inline perfect. Is there any bad risks drilling this? I'm going to a skilled proshop (BeansProShop) because i know he can get this done. Is there anything that can go wrong drilling this? I want it to be just like it's supposed to be, not a dud or anything like that lol.
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: Wallshot on December 05, 2006, 08:42:35 PM
Your pro shop should know how to drill it to suit your game. There's been a lot of discussion about the NM on this board, particularly in the past few days. Read those posts so you have some info to rattle your drillers brain with.

All I'll offer you is this: having the pin, cg and hart in line is very important and since yours are you should be in good shape, just pick the drilling layout that suits your game.
Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: six pack on December 05, 2006, 09:04:46 PM
first off,what type of reaction are you looking for.second,make sure the driller knows exactly where you're ball track is.
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: chun914 on December 06, 2006, 01:33:18 AM
For drilling # 1 , should i put the HART on the first oil track ?
Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: six pack on December 06, 2006, 05:37:50 AM
I put mine with the pin above ring and the hart at 3-4 flare ring,it's a beast.
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: chitown on December 06, 2006, 06:57:16 AM
Yes just follow the drill sheet and you should be good to go.  Good luck and let us know how it works for you.
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: DukeHarding on December 06, 2006, 08:55:22 AM
My No Mercy may be going on the auction block.

As Chitown can attest to, it flat out does not finish.
I've used it 4000 grit Abralon w/o polish; 2000 grit Abralon with andw/o polish;
1000 grit Abralon with and w/o polish; 5000 grit Scotch Brite with and w/o polish.

My Track Equation outhooks it by 6-8 boards.
Either the ball is burning up, or is defective.
My driller, Ed Moores, has drilled over 50 of the No Mercy, and I'm the only customer that has not gotten a decent reaction out of the ball.

Chitown, was using his NM last night, and had a great reaction.
I had to point my NM up 7 into the pocket...
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: splendorlex on December 06, 2006, 10:30:29 AM
Isn't the suggested drilling basically a label drilling with the hart LEFT of the thumb for a right hander?
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: FastTracker33 on December 06, 2006, 01:32:40 PM
See, this is why im scared to get one. some people get a reaction. some people don't
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: DukeHarding on December 06, 2006, 01:39:55 PM
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See, this is why im scared to get one. some people get a reaction. some people don't
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If you're interested in a used NM, I'm putting a RH drill, low game, used NM on ebay this evening.
A friend of mine liked the ball, but the finger pitch was off. He won't throw a plugged ball.
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: nonanchorman on December 06, 2006, 02:00:59 PM
Might have something to do with this ball tracking lower than others for some people. My PAP on this ball is 4" over 1 3/8" up which makes the pin layout  2" from the PAP. Track on my Black widow is 5 1/8" over 3/4" up. Using that PAP i should be around 3 1/2" pin to PAP. Have your Proshop check you PAP and make sure your pin is the suggested location for this ball. For me to get the pin at 4 1/2" I would have to put the pin on the grip centerline above the fingers about 3/4". With the pin in that location I would have the HART in the 3-4 tracks. Still pondering if I am going to get this ball plugged and redrilled or to leave it. I like the fact that it goes longer than my widow and snaps into the pocket.

Hope it helps
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: scotts33 on December 06, 2006, 02:01:17 PM
Brian,

I wouldn't worry to much if your driller knows your technique, PAP, ball speed, tilt, etc.  I'd say this about any ball with any good driller.  If, ball has correct alignment and your driller is a pro should be no problem.  Also, the NM has been out long enough now that many of the problems folks may have had.....have been worked out and are fore warned.  

I'll tell ya that many more have had great success with the ball.  I think those that it didn't work for were expecting way more than they got.  The ball has such a high level of expectation that for some it just can't live up too.......JMO.


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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: VAbowler on December 06, 2006, 02:04:21 PM
Barring the bad experiences, to those that have had success w/#1 drilling, how long does this ball go before the hook?
Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: FastTracker33 on December 06, 2006, 02:05:26 PM
there we go.. #1 question right there.. i would like to know that
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: DukeHarding on December 06, 2006, 02:17:29 PM
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Brian,

I wouldn't worry to much if your driller knows your technique, PAP, ball speed, tilt, etc.  I'd say this about any ball with any good driller.  If, ball has correct alignment and your driller is a pro should be no problem.  Also, the NM has been out long enough now that many of the problems folks may have had.....have been worked out and are fore warned.  

I'll tell ya that many more have had great success with the ball.  I think those that it didn't work for were expecting way more than they got.  The ball has such a high level of expectation that for some it just can't live up too.......JMO.


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Scotts,

I threw another lefty's NM and shot 300. Had one with the exact same specs, drilled identically by the same driller...Ball does not hook, or finish. I call it: No Messenger, No Carry. Ball works shooting down and in, or if the backends are China...It does not like carrydown.

I bowled with Chitown last nght, same thing, his ball was eating the racks...He talked me into using the NM, and the ball was over under...It was prepped to 2000grit Abralon no polish. I went to the Track Equation, (high gloss polish) and shot 228-268-247.

I just took the ball back to 4000 grit w/a good coat of polish...I'll try it again.
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: scotts33 on December 06, 2006, 02:20:01 PM
I used a #1 with a misaligned ball and have an X hole to bring it back to 1/2 oz pos.  NM goes relatively long with a nice strong arc to 1-3.  I've tried it everywhere from 1000 abralon to 4000 abralon w/o polish.  Going to try it tonite 4000 abralon on dryish THS w/ polish.  

I'd say it is close to my Inertia with same surface for length and arcing backend with more flare and drive at the 1-3.  For some reason it can get caught up in carry down.  I've heard others say like chitown that he has no problem w/ carry down.  That's probably because his rev rate is higher than mine.  325 to 450.  

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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: scotts33 on December 06, 2006, 02:27:42 PM
Duke,

I hear ya.  Tonite on a 6:45 PM league after a 4 man league I am going to see what ball matches up better in practice my NM or a LM/L Big Bang I recently got.  Both are relatively strong drills/strong balls.  Heads go after 1st game and lanes normally carry down.  I always move deeper playing a deeper angle but I'm a righty Duke.  

Actually, I think a Black Pearl with a decently strong drill would work great on this condition.....in deep.  I'll take my The One and Buzz for deeper angles.

Report back please and I'll do the same.
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Scott

Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: EL on December 06, 2006, 02:39:13 PM
Okay I usually don't add much input here but it's ask over and over again. I recently drilled a NM with the #1 layout.  My ball driller and I had to pass up on many NM with the correct pin, CG and hart for the layout plus how my track would flare.  Some of the NM we opened were, according to my ball driller would have been perfect for a lefty.  I actually had to wait for his 3rd shipment of NM until we found a perfect pin, CG and hart location for my layout and PAP (not in-lined).  He told me the negative weight will not hurt my roll and the weight block is the key here.  He told me the hart can be anywhere has long as you track over it or flare over it.  All I can said is this ball is a monster, I have been bowling over 20 years now and have almost tried every ball out there.  I get 4-5 inches of flare and actually my track  moved up.  Ball handles fresh oil with ease and the hit is nothing I have seen.  If the ball driller knows what he is doing you should not have a problem.  Just remember the have the CG within 1 inch radius of the center line so you don't have too much negative weight or positive weight.  By the way I don't have a weight hole and ended up with about 1/2 oz neg.  Can also be the ball is not matching up to your game or condition you bowl on.  Well good luck with it.

Edited on 12/6/2006 3:33 PM
Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: DukeHarding on December 06, 2006, 02:44:57 PM
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Duke,

I hear ya.  Tonite on a 6:45 PM league after a 4 man league I am going to see what ball matches up better in practice my NM or a LM/L Big Bang I recently got.  Both are relatively strong drills/strong balls.  Heads go after 1st game and lanes normally carry down.  I always move deeper playing a deeper angle but I'm a righty Duke.  

Actually, I think a Black Pearl with a decently strong drill would work great on this condition.....in deep.  I'll take my The One and Buzz for deeper angles.

Report back please and I'll do the same.
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Scott



Black Pearl works great on the Sport Shot League at Beverly (when I toss it correctly). I bought the ball already drilled, but only 2 games on it. Plugged the fingers only...Ball is drilled stacked, and really reads the mids well.
One of my favorite LL balls. I'm in love with my new Awesome Revs...but that belongs over in MoRich.

I'll keep posting about the NM.
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: chitown on December 06, 2006, 02:55:12 PM
Rich is right about his NO MERCY.  For some reason it doesn't react well unless the back ends are really dry.  I can't figure it out.  

Rich I think when you shot the 300 with that other guys NM the back ends were probably really dry?

I also think that the #1 layout is not good for you with this ball.

Guys Rich can tell you there was a night and day difference between his NM and mine.  Mine was crushing rack after rack.  I love this ball.  It does need some oil though.  Mine is also drilled with the #6 layout.

I think a lot of bowlers are having trouble with the #1 layout. I think it may be too strong of a layout for a lot of bowlers.  I'm not talking about high rev bowlers only.  I think if your a guy that throws a lot of forward roll in your game then #1 is not a good layout.  

I like this ball so much that I will end up getting another one in the future.  This ball is fun to throw!
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: Rileybowler on December 06, 2006, 02:55:15 PM
It seems to me with this particular ball bowlers either love it or hate it no in between
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Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: EL on December 06, 2006, 03:01:28 PM
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It seems to me with this particular ball bowlers either love it or hate it no in between
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Isn't that the case with all bowling balls
Title: Re: Getting a Hammer NO MERCY..
Post by: DukeHarding on December 06, 2006, 03:24:29 PM
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It seems to me with this particular ball bowlers either love it or hate it no in between
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I think the NM has a place in my arsenal...Just have to figure out where!

I've had decent games with it, when the shot is 15 out to the 1-2 board (burning the ditch)...and when there is a little hold in the middle...but there are a lot of other balls that are good on that condition, also.

I was talking with my driller yesterday, and he said: "If you bring 4 balls to league and can strike with all 4, from the same line, there's something wrong with your arsenal."

I agree with that 100%. I always want to have a ball that will not work on the average THS shot in my bag...just in case.
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