Post by: ShermDawg on May 03, 2008, 05:45:07 PM
lets get some buzz going on here!
I just signed my new contract with Hammer yesterday and look forward to another exciting successful year with the best equipment around...
that being said...
what does everyone think will be replacing the newly discontinued equipment
1. Raw Hammer Doom :'( (will be missed dearly)
2. Blue Vibe (first adult 300 with this gem, will never be forgotten)
3. Raw Hammer Toxic (first adult 800 series with the green monster)
4. No Mercy (qualified through the TQR in Reno at the Constructionjobs.com
Championship with this aggressive piece of equipment)
5. No Mercy Beat'n (a trooper to open up the lane)
I am honestly CLUELESS to what will be coming out this summer around bowl expo time and am very excited for Christmas come early...
so lets throw some ideas out there... what does everyone think ?
one possible guess I have might be a new High Line since both No Mercy's have been discontinued... I have no idea what it would be, but am giddy at the idea of the possibility...
anyways Hammerheads have at it!!!
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Post by: six pack on May 04, 2008, 02:08:48 AM
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Post by: pegleg42090 on May 04, 2008, 09:54:34 AM
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they will probably replace the No Mercy line with another widow and replace the anger line with another widow.that way we will have 15 different widow's to chose from.
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Post by: chitown on May 04, 2008, 04:39:00 PM
I guess the sales of the NM's were not good for them to discontiue the entire line? I have seen a lot of NM's in my area.
Edited on 5/4/2008 4:40 PM
Post by: themagician on May 04, 2008, 05:03:04 PM
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I also think it's pretty stupid to discontinue the no mercy line. The original No Mercy is in my top 3 bowling balls i've ever owned.
I guess the sales of the NM's were not good for them to discontiue the entire line? I have seen a lot of NM's in my area.
Edited on 5/4/2008 4:40 PM
I think part of the reasons are with the black widows offering a similar reaction and much more widespread talk of them, as well as the No Mercy's being slightly higher in price lead to their demise. They also have been out for more than a season now so it is possible that they just have something new thats high end that they want to come out with and not overload the catalog.
These are just my thoughts.
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Post by: SteveAustin2808 on May 04, 2008, 06:03:56 PM
I threw both of the No Mercy's and thought they served their purpose very well...
The original concept of the ball was during the time we all thought USBC was going to lay the standard down that we "couldn't have weight holes in the ball", this unique concept for the No Mercy was brought to the table. I feel now with the idea that once was with USBC not eliminating the 'weight hole' stipulation, the No Mercy really had no other purpose..
Again, I don't want to try and stir up anything because that is not how I do things but just giving an opinion...it maybe wrong, but I'm thinking it has some points into just why they decided to pull the plug. I'm pretty sure Hammer is going to have another HP line to replace them without a doubt.
On a side note, I didn't really drill that many No Mercy's and I was asked quite a bit about them. I think I may have drilled up a Beat'n for a buddy of mine but that was it...
Anyways, Hammer has good products and I'm sure Ussery has got some excellent stuff coming up on the horizon for us all! God Bless You All and thanks for reading!
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Post by: ShermDawg on May 04, 2008, 06:10:33 PM
I do believe that having problems with the Widow or Widow Pearl or even the bite might have to do with the layouts that are on the balls
I have drilled a few Widows many different ways and have found layouts that just do not work well on those balls but there are many layouts that are great for that line equipment that is for sure
I think a Vibe Solid would be a great addition to the lineup in the Vibe Series, I don't know what they could do to a Widow now to have a new one released and I am still thinking a new High Line might be a possibility... and definitely a new Raw Hammer that is Pearlized...
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Post by: NJStroker on May 04, 2008, 07:15:20 PM
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to thinking that if they buy a new ball they will carry everything. And its even funnier when im carrying with my 15 year old ball and they're going flat ten.
Post by: ShermDawg on May 04, 2008, 07:45:32 PM
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Post by: Matt Fortney on May 04, 2008, 09:27:38 PM
No Mercy's - While I believe that the current two NM's are to be discontinued, I do NOT believe that we've seen the last NM ball. The NM Whup'n is on the approved list, and I anticipate it being a pearl.
Doom/Toxic - While I agree that it will be sad to see these go, I also believe that there will be no more "Raw Hammer" balls released. Instead, I think the mid-priced ball they will release will be with a new name and core. I've heard rumors about names, but they're all just rumors.
Blue Vibe - It totally SUCKS that this ball is to be discontinued, but there must be good reason for it somewhere, no matter how hard it is for me to see it. I expect a new (possibly solid) Vibe...maybe something that doesn't hook as much as a BW? lol
New Widow - Another one with a ton of rumors. All I can say is...I hope so. I think this is the one that they won't release until like mid-season.
Again...100% of this is pure speculation. It's very possible that all of it is completely wrong...this is just the direction I'm guess they'll go.
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Post by: Wiggum on May 05, 2008, 09:47:14 AM
Post by: LuckyLefty on May 05, 2008, 09:58:41 AM
Dramatically different reactions from the No Mercy and the Black Widow!
The No Mercy was a much stronger Midlane ball in my eyes than the Black Widow which seemed to shun midlane and love to create just pure backend.
REgards,
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Post by: NJStroker on May 05, 2008, 02:59:28 PM
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to thinking that if they buy a new ball they will carry everything. And its even funnier when im carrying with my 15 year old ball and they're going flat ten.
Post by: ShermDawg on May 05, 2008, 04:19:27 PM
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Post by: chitown on May 05, 2008, 05:26:04 PM
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HEY GUYS!
I threw both of the No Mercy's and thought they served their purpose very well...
The original concept of the ball was during the time we all thought USBC was going to lay the standard down that we "couldn't have weight holes in the ball", this unique concept for the No Mercy was brought to the table. I feel now with the idea that once was with USBC not eliminating the 'weight hole' stipulation, the No Mercy really had no other purpose..
Again, I don't want to try and stir up anything because that is not how I do things but just giving an opinion...it maybe wrong, but I'm thinking it has some points into just why they decided to pull the plug. I'm pretty sure Hammer is going to have another HP line to replace them without a doubt.
On a side note, I didn't really drill that many No Mercy's and I was asked quite a bit about them. I think I may have drilled up a Beat'n for a buddy of mine but that was it...
Anyways, Hammer has good products and I'm sure Ussery has got some excellent stuff coming up on the horizon for us all! God Bless You All and thanks for reading!
-Michael-
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Michael, I respect a lot of your reviews. However, i'm with six pack when it comes to the NO MERCY.
I put most of the blame on the pro shops for screwing up the layouts on the NM. I also give part of the blame to Hammer for not really making it clear with their first set of drilling instructions. The current drill instructions they have for the NM are much better.
When drilled correctly the NM is a killer ball. However, no ball is going to owkr great for everyone. I do feel the NM got a bad rap because of the pro shops not drilling the ball correctly for the bowlers.
I have owned many NM(original) and it's in my top 3 bowling balls of all time. Yes it's that good! The NM performs great on tough, flat patterns! I've never rolled another ball that could make heavy carry down seem invisible like the original NM can.
It's going to suck to see this ball be discontinued! I just bought a new NM and will buy as many as I can before there all gone!
Post by: StudGodBowler on May 05, 2008, 05:39:12 PM
Post by: six pack on May 05, 2008, 06:09:44 PM
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Stop being a fool get rid of your Ebonite Garbage and jump ship to a ball that you can win with. Storm Brunswick ETC Stop wasting your dam game.
Seriously considering it!
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Post by: Frederick on May 05, 2008, 06:13:53 PM
quote:I know alot of people who win throwing Ebonite/Hammer equipment. If I'm not mistaking, wasn't the PBA player of the year someone by the name of Chris Barnes and doesn't he throw Columbia?
Stop being a fool get rid of your Ebonite Garbage and jump ship to a ball that you can win with. Storm Brunswick ETC Stop wasting your dam game.
Post by: pegleg42090 on May 05, 2008, 06:22:28 PM
quote:quote:I know alot of people who win throwing Ebonite/Hammer equipment. If I'm not mistaking, wasn't the PBA player of the year someone by the name of Chris Barnes and doesn't he throw Columbia?
Stop being a fool get rid of your Ebonite Garbage and jump ship to a ball that you can win with. Storm Brunswick ETC Stop wasting your dam game.
It's the bowler, not the ball.
Post by: Frederick on May 05, 2008, 07:09:52 PM
quote:I agree in the sense that a really good bowler should be able to bowl with anything but sometimes it is the ball because some people match up better with certain equipment.quote:quote:I know alot of people who win throwing Ebonite/Hammer equipment. If I'm not mistaking, wasn't the PBA player of the year someone by the name of Chris Barnes and doesn't he throw Columbia?
Stop being a fool get rid of your Ebonite Garbage and jump ship to a ball that you can win with. Storm Brunswick ETC Stop wasting your dam game.
It's the bowler, not the ball.
Post by: Frederick on May 05, 2008, 07:57:19 PM
quote:I really think all this Ebonite ball death is a bunch of BS. It is my opinion that people just like to jump on the bandwagon and bash a certain company because everybody else is. I would venture to say that theres people who come on here and make stuff up just so they can fit in. I've never had a ball die on me and I've had plenty of Ebonite and Hammer stuff over the last few years. I've been around bowling of and on my whole life and pretty much everyone I know bowls, some bowl for a living and they to have never had a ball die on them from Ebonite either. The bottom line is this. If you take care of your equipment, you won't have any issues with ball death even from Ebonite. It may be true that Ebonite covers do in fact absorb oil faster but theres still no excuse not to clean your balls (lol) after use.
For the average guy who can't drill up a new ball every week, Ebonite;hammer; as of late die too quickly. They should be designing covers that will last, and offer bowlers a premium product to go along with the premium price.
I've heard it from people who work there that their coverstocks die too fast. It has a lot to do with the quality of resins they use as well as the oil absortion rate. They even said they have never cleaned or maintained coverstocks, meaning they don't have to. They just get another ball...
Most of us can't afford that!!!
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Post by: chitown on May 06, 2008, 08:46:21 AM
The original NO MERCY absorbs oil faster than just about any ball i've ever owned. With that being said it's still one of the best bowling balls i've ever rolled! Everytime i've giving the NO MERCY a hot water bath it's performance came back just like new.
All bowling balls absorb oil to some degree. Oil xtraction is the only way to keep the performance up on any bowling ball.
Post by: Eddie M on May 06, 2008, 09:38:17 AM
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For me, they were the best thing Hammer has had since the BLue Urethane Hammer.
The Hammer brand didn't make the Blue Urethane Hammer, the Faball brand did. Faball Hammer and Ebonite Hammer are 2 completely different entities. Faball made a line of ball's named Hammer. Ebonite bought the name and made it into a brand, and release balls with the Hammer name to sell more equipment.
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Post by: SteveAustin2808 on May 06, 2008, 10:12:23 AM
Glad that we can agree to disagree...
And by no means was I implementing that the No Mercy series were bad balls. I've thrown both of them myself and had decent sets with them. The rest of the time, it was OPERATOR ERROR...
In regards to calling a company 'garbage' though, I have to say that each company has their own unique characteristics. Some may benefit, some may not. It all lies in what the bowler wants. I don't think any brand is garbage by any means. Every ball made has a purpose, it is just a choice of selection and what works for the bowler.
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Post by: tomstewa on May 07, 2008, 12:40:03 PM
Post by: chatnboy on May 08, 2008, 11:10:26 AM
quote:so do you feel better now sgb???feel like a real man???and is anybody really going to take your advice....NO!!!
Stop being a fool get rid of your Ebonite Garbage and jump ship to a ball that you can win with. Storm Brunswick ETC Stop wasting your dam game.
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Post by: ShermDawg on May 09, 2008, 02:45:54 PM
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Post by: cabowler12 on May 13, 2008, 08:21:22 AM
Thank You
Post by: tenpin477 on May 15, 2008, 01:40:35 PM
Post by: ShermDawg on May 15, 2008, 02:24:54 PM
if thats considered the same, what IS considered different? :-)
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Post by: SVstar34 on May 17, 2008, 12:15:37 PM
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Post by: Doug Sterner on May 17, 2008, 02:14:01 PM
Lots of performance for a short time...then a complete overhaul.
Anybody else out there think it's a coincidence that Ebonite also markets the Hook Again system????
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Post by: ShermDawg on May 17, 2008, 08:58:24 PM
can you run a car without an oil change for 10,000 miles... quite possibly...
is it smart or good for the car? NO
it is far better to get it done the suggested 3000 miles and be fresh in timely intervals to keep it running smoothly
can you use a ball without maintaining the cover and cleaning it after a couple weeks use and have it be ok? Yeah you can but the reaction will certainly change or be modified
people think that bowling balls should have a great reaction for 500 games and it is just not feasible anymore...
with the viscous lane oil that is ever changing the companies need to have bowling balls that will soak in the oil to create more friction and higher amounts of ball reaction...
if bowling balls get properly maintained their life is extended without question. with a resurface here and there the reaction can come back... but of course bowling balls are not indestructible, after a plethora of games are put onto a ball and the amounts of oil are soaked into the ball and coverstock the reaction can change, hence the advertisement of the hook again system which I myself have had success with on more than just Ebonite products (before I was on Hammer Staff)
with new equipment always being released every few months, arsenals get changed quite frequently for avid bowlers...
for the bowler who bowls one or two leagues a year and has only a couple bowling balls, a brand new Ebonite product can be purchased and easily last with proper maintenance throughout the year and before the next season a possible full resurface, bake and hook again can leak out excess oil to bring back a more out of box reaction and bring life back to the bowling ball that might have been drained from the wear and tear
bowling balls are wear and tear items, it is a known fact... but they can be maintained and worked on to have a longer life.
I have had my first blue vibe for two years now, since I first got on staff, and it still works like new and hits just as hard with Ebonite cleaning products and a resurface maybe twice, it is still a trooper and always travels in my bowling bag...
so there are some anomalies when it comes to a bowling ball that has had a lot of tread put on it, but the blue vibe is also a lower end bowling ball and doest soak up as much oil as the higher performance bowling balls under the Ebonite Brand name...
they soak up oil to create more hook, it is as simple as that... similarly I have had multiple Black Widows last a long time with proper surface prep and maintenance, so to say they die and are worthless after 50 games in a bit far fetched...
but that is my two cents on that whole issue
anyways...
the NEW HAMMER STUFF LOOKS AMAZING!
cant wait to get this new equipment out on the lanes, will post back soon and will keep everyone updated on the new arrivals and will put up mini reviews when I have thrown the new equipment!
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Post by: six pack on May 20, 2008, 06:49:47 AM
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